Who ya votin' for?
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perhaps comparable to the breakups of other countries with strong cultural/regional divisions? The difficulty of being two nations under one flag is that there are two nations, which gets more focus than the one flag.
After voting Liberal my whole life, my vote is going to the Conservatives this time around.
I am so disgusted with the Liberals at the moment that I even volunteered to help my local Conservative candidate Colin Carrie in Oshawa.
Without a doubt, Canada is due for a change.
I am so disgusted with the Liberals at the moment that I even volunteered to help my local Conservative candidate Colin Carrie in Oshawa.
Without a doubt, Canada is due for a change.
I think not said:Andygal said:
I forgot to mention the cutest girls were communists/leftists
Seriously, communism is a utopia, we first have to evolve as human beings to even begin to think along those lines, IMO.
Believe it or not, I too was a damn commie in my teenage years.
Although I think my brainstem became fully connected a little before I was 22.
Buzz Hargrove is actually throwing his support to the Liberals not NDP this time. Very Strange. Vote Liberal where NDP can't win: CAW boss
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Liberal Leader Paul Martin urged members of the Canadian Auto Workers to abandon the New Democrats, a pitch that won the support of the head of the union.
During a campaign stop in Toronto, Martin warned union members that there is "a fundamental clash of values" between Liberals and Conservatives and that they have to make a realistic choice.
"Now I know many of you in this audience have supported the NDP, but I also know this: Liberals or Conservatives, one of us will form the next government," said Martin.
CAW boss Buzz Hargrove gave Martin a qualified endorsement, saying the minority Liberal government "deserves to go back to Ottawa with even bigger numbers."
Hargrove said there should be a strong NDP opposition, but urged members to vote Liberal in ridings in which the NDP has no chance of winning.
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I find that a bit bizzare but he is promoting strategic voting.
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Liberal Leader Paul Martin urged members of the Canadian Auto Workers to abandon the New Democrats, a pitch that won the support of the head of the union.
During a campaign stop in Toronto, Martin warned union members that there is "a fundamental clash of values" between Liberals and Conservatives and that they have to make a realistic choice.
"Now I know many of you in this audience have supported the NDP, but I also know this: Liberals or Conservatives, one of us will form the next government," said Martin.
CAW boss Buzz Hargrove gave Martin a qualified endorsement, saying the minority Liberal government "deserves to go back to Ottawa with even bigger numbers."
Hargrove said there should be a strong NDP opposition, but urged members to vote Liberal in ridings in which the NDP has no chance of winning.
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I find that a bit bizzare but he is promoting strategic voting.
Wouldn't this make Buzz a sellout?
With all the layoffs at GM and big ones coming at Ford, I believe Buzz has lost most if not all of his credibility.
With all the layoffs at GM and big ones coming at Ford, I believe Buzz has lost most if not all of his credibility.
NDP all the way! So is my family. We are all lefties and staunch union supporters and like a party that likes to look after the little guy and the unfortunate. The NDP are really the only party that cares about people. So it is a no brainer to support them.
ITN said:
That's because all the girls on the right go for that hard as nails porn-star look.
MMMikey said:
Actually, it's because the Bloc is a left-leaning party.
MMMikey said:
Those are tied to results though, MMMikey. No results, no money. They also come in the front door and have a purpose greater than ensuring old politicians a cushy retirement plan.
Breakthrough said:
You should vote NDP. Harper is at least as crooked as the Liberals, and the NDP has a plan for cleaning up Ottawa no matter what party yu belong to.
Buzz is doing what he considers best for his political career. Harper and his ites would do everything in their power to bust unions and that's never a good thing for union leaders.
I don't see how you anti-corporation NDP voters can stomach the funnelling of your hard earned tax dollars directly into corporate coffers. But this is not even really about the merits of direct subsidies... it is not really about the merits of spending tax dollars to save a few $100,000 jobs. What it is really about is Jack Layton trying to bribe the fat cat union members for their support. I know you NDP'ers like to think that Layton walks on water, so go ahead, spin it anyway you want. Anybody with a brain in their head can see that.
Thanks for the offer but I was never really left leaning. I prefer tax cuts over more taxes. Having said that, if I knew that the NDP had a chance to oust the Liberals, I would certainly vote for them in a heartbeat. Harper is a "crook" is only a theory. Martin is a "crook" is a fact. I like Jack, but I don't like his policies. I would vote for Ed Broadbent though. He is one of the last remaining gentlemen left in Canadian politics.
I think you said it best when you said "Buzz is doing what he considers best for "HIS" political career". Isn't it his job to be looking out for the careers of his union members?
I don't recall Harper ever claiming to want to bust the unions. If there is an article that shows this, please share.
Are there any tax increases in the NDP platform? Nope. Guess you need to find a different line.
Better than beating the Liberals, they have a chance to hold the balance of power and make sure that nobody gets to hold absolute power with less than half of the popular vote ever again.
Martin has been officially exonerated, Harper hasn't. Harper has managed to sue the government because he wanted his corporate buddies to be able to run ads for him though, and letting Cargill and Tyson off the hook for contempt of parliament was about as a corrupt a move as a politician in opposition can manage.
That is his job, and that's what he's doing. I don't like it, but I can't really blame him. If the union membership doesn't like him, he will be removed.
The Conservatives have voted against every piece of pro-labour legislation, whether it involved unions or not, for as long as there have been Conservatives. They are inherently anti-union.
Mikey said:
There is a huge difference between just handing corporations things and paying them to develop technology. If you would actually listen to what Layton said, what the NDP have been saying for decades, instead of trying to spin for a party that would rather send the jobs to Mexico and the profits to Detroit, all while sending the environment into the toilet, then you might begin to understand.
If tax increases were actually in the NDP platform, they would get as many seats as the Green party. Zero. Perhaps this is the NDP's version of a hidden agenda. They want to increase spending substantially in several areas. Where would they get the money from if they're not intending on increasing taxes?
So then we're no better off than we we're last week. How is holding the "balance" of power "better" than beating the Liberals? Are you saying that the NDP is not capable of running the show?
Don't bother feeding me these lines. I was using pretty much the exact same words when talking to Conservative supporters before I switched from being a Liberal. To even try and put Martin's Liberals and Harpers Conservatives in the same boat when it comes to corruption is a huge stretch.
If the Liberals lose this coming election, I'm going to mortgage my house and buy stocks of the biggest manufacturers and sellers of shredders.
Your logic is so complex, its hard to keep up Again tho, its all about money for you. I beg to differ, I think alot of canadians are more concerned about things like...ehm...I dunno know...WAR, and not sending our childern out to die. How about inequality?
I mean really, do we want a government that just see things in black and white 8O individuals who don't have to take into account any life or human complexity. Let me give a example of conservative complex thinking.
The scene: Italy 2001
The event: meeting of world leaders
The conservative leader of the most powerful nation on earth, asked to explain himself:
George Bush: "I know what I believe and I believe what I believe is right."
This is the man, and steven harper is the man that will lick his boots, why not? he already has his head up his ass :?
Again tho, its all about money for you. I beg to differ, I think alot of canadians are more concerned about things like...ehm...I dunno know...WAR, and not sending our childern out to die. How about inequality? I mean really, do we want a government that just see things in black and white 8O individuals who don't have to take into account any life or human complexity. Let me give a example of conservative complex thinking.
The scene: Italy 2001
The event: meeting of world leaders
The conservative leader of the most powerful nation on earth, asked to explain himself:
George Bush: "I know what I believe and I believe what I believe is right."
This is the man, and steven harper is the man that will lick his boots, why not? he already has his head up his ass :?
Kim Campbell says Harper won't win
Former Tory prime minister Kim Campbell says she doesn't think Stephen Harper will win the federal election because Canadians are too afraid of his party's social conservative agenda.
Former Tory prime minister Kim Campbell says she doesn't think Stephen Harper will win the federal election because Canadians are too afraid of his party's social conservative agenda.
Scarily enough, were the NDP the only alternative, I would vote for them before I would vote Liberal.
Let's get this straight. You have a big problem with Liberal majority government with say 40% of the vote, but absolutely no problem with the NDP running things with 17% of the vote. Mind you, I do agree with the need for electoral reform, but I find this position a little amusing.
Absolute BS. Martin still won't tell which members of his caucus got illegal funds from adscam. The BQ has identified Liza Frulla. Do you think Martin doesn't know?
To say nothing of his playing loose with the rules when he Finance Minister concerning his control of CSL.
Or his powerful position throughout the Chretien era.
Spare me the cries of "innocence".
So, you have evidence there was a payoff for letting C&G off?
You guys are great at chasing the Conservative mouse around, while ignoring the Liberal rat.
It's not just about money. Equality is a big thing also. I don't care one way or another whether someone is gay, bisexual or has sex with farm animals.
Regarding war, we are at war. We have soldiers dying in Afghanistan. It's like being pregnant, you either are or you aren't. We can't be in Afghanistan and claim that we are not at war just because we aren't in Iraq.
Regarding kissing Bush's ass, I believe that we have to do whatever it takes to work with the US or else we will have to face future Beef bans and soft wood lumber disputes. Simply telling Bush to go screw himself does not help the unemployed lumber worker in BC.
Not to mention that similar countries to ours such as Britain and Australia participated in Iraq. I'm not pro-war but I am pro-business and telling your largest trading partner (80% of everything we export) to go screw itself will only hurt us more than it hurts them.
ITN said:
I don't generally look to Campbell for political advice, given her record, but she's right in this case.
breakdancer said:
As always, the NDP isn't afraid to say how they'll pay for things. As always, that way isn't on the backs of the Canadian people. Your scare campaign is a bad joke, breakdancer.
Spinthrough said:
The NDP is quite capable of running the show. Due to the puposeful lies the Conservatives and Liberals tell to please their corporate masters, they don't have a realistic chance of winning the election. Neither do the Conservatives, but the NDP aren't afraid to tell the truth.
Can you disprove either of those things, Breakdancer? Can you show me that Harper didn't go to court to keep his corporate advertisers in the game? Can you show me where he didn't let the meatpackers off the hook? Can you try to explain how wanting to undermine democracy through corporate influence and allowing corporate influence to keep justice from being done is not corrupt?
First of all, you failed to answer the question presented to you. Secondly I'm going to ignore your personal attack.
I sense you're getting angry and I don't know why. I simply expressed my opinion and you're going off about "corporate masters".
You still didn't answer my question again.
You stated that holding the balance of power is actually BETTER than beating the Liberals.
My question was " How is holding the "balance" of power "better" than beating the Liberals?"
If it was just a slip, then just say so. You don't have to jump down my throat over it. Sheesh.
I don't need to disprove anything. I'll even take your word for it. Now can you prove that the Conservatives are MORE corrupt than the Liberals? You can start with the HR boondoggle, make a right at the Gun registry. From there you go left at Adscam, make another left at Earnscliff. Keep going straight from there. You will pass Shawinigate, death threats, Income trust scandal..........