Who in his/her right mind would disagree with this?

Danbones

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Actually it is simplistic rather than simple. People desperate enough to sneak into the US in search of a better life are not going to be deterred by having benefits cut of since they get no benefits where they are. They have nothing to lose by staying where they are. Also the Dumpster can only cut off federal benefits. He has no control over what each state decides to do or what NGOs or individual US citizens in the US may decide to do. As a result I suspect cutting off federal benefits will have little or no effect.

you seem to be unaware that DEMOCRATIC US policies created this problem in mexico's economy in the first place

ELECTION 2016
15 Ways Bill Clinton’s White House Failed America and the World
Many Americans do not associate Clinton with his dark legacy.

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2. Punitive welfare reform. The consequences of Bill Clinton’s welfare reform bill have been devastating for millions of American families. The Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996 took a page directly from Republican Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich’s Contract with America. In an atmosphere steeped in decades of conservative scaremongering around the specter of sexually reckless “welfare queens,” Clinton’s 1992 campaign promise to “end welfare as we know it” played directly to white voters' fears of black crime and poverty. Twenty years after scrapping the longstanding Aid to Families with Dependent Children in favor of the right wing’s underfunded and more punitive vision, the number of poor American children has exploded and black welfare recipients are subject to the system’s most stringent rules.

In 2012, the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities found that while “in 1996, for every 100 families with children living in poverty, TANF [Temporary Assistance for Needy Families] provided cash aid to 68 families,” that number plunged to 27 out of every 100 families living in poverty by 2010. Conservatives trumpet these numbers, often citing the fact that nationally, TANF enrollment fell 58 percent between 1995-2010. But they neglect to mention that the number of poor families with children rose 17 percent in the same period.

Sociologist Joe Soss, who has examined the long-term racial consequences of welfare reform, which allowed states to decide how funds were allotted and eligibility determined, also noted that, “all of the states with more African Americans on the welfare rolls chose tougher rules…[E]ven though the Civil Rights Act prevents the government from creating different programs for black and white recipients, when states choose according to this pattern, it ends up that large numbers of African Americans get concentrated in the states with the toughest rules, and large numbers of white recipients get concentrated in the states with the more lenient rules.”

3. Wall Street’s Deregulator-in-Chief. As president, Clinton outdid the GOP when it came to unleashing Wall Street’s worst instincts, by supporting and signing into law more financial deregulation legislation than any other president, according to the Columbia Journalism Review.


He didn’t just push the Democrats controlling the House to pass a bill (Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act) that dissolved the Depression-era Glass-Steagall law, which barred investment banks from commercial banking activities. He deregulated the risky derivatives market (Commodity Futures Modernization Act), gutted state regulation of banks (Riegle-Neal) leading to a wave of banking mergers, and reappointed Alan Greenspan as Federal Reserve chair. In recent years, Clinton has ludicrously claimed that the GOP forced him to do this, which led in no small part to the global financial crisis of 2008 and the too-big-to-fail ethos, with the federal government obligated to bail out multinational banks while doing little for individual account holders.

“What happened?” he told CNN in 2013. “The American people gave the Congress to a group of very conservative Republicans. When they passed bills with veto-proof majority with a lot of Democrats voting for it, that I couldn’t stop, all of a sudden we turn out to be maniacal deregulators. I mean, come on.” As CJR put it, “This is, to be kind, bull****,” reciting a list of Clinton deregulatory actions that began while Democrats were the majority, starting with appointing “Robert Rubin and Larry Summers in the Treasury, which officially did in Glass-Steagall and the Commodity Futures Modernization Act, which left the derivatives market a laissez-faire Wild West.”

CJR concludes, “The bottom line is: Bill Clinton was responsible for more damaging financial deregulation—and thus, for the [2008] financial crisis—than any other president.”

4. Gutted manufacturing via trade agreements. Bill Clinton helped gut America’s manufacturing base by promoting and passing the North American Free Trade Agreement, or NAFTA, in 1993, when Democrats controlled Congress. That especially resonates today, when another Democratic president, Barack Obama, and Republicans in Congress, are allied against labor unions and liberal Democrats to pass its like-minded descendant, the Trans Pacific Partnership. “NAFTA signaled that the Democratic Party—the “progressive” side of the U.S. two-party system—had accepted the reactionary economic ideology of Ronald Reagan,” wrote Jeff Faux, on the Economic Policy Institute Working Economics Blog.

In 1979, then-candidate Reagan proposed a trade pact between the U.S., Canada and Mexico. But the Democrats who controlled the Congress would not approve it until Clinton pushed it in his first year in office. NAFTA has affected U.S. workers in four major ways, EPI said. It caused the permanent loss of 700,000 manufacturing jobs in industrial states such as California, Texas and Michigan. It gave corporate managers an excuse to cut wages and benefits, threatening otherwise to move to Mexico. Selling U.S. farm products in Mexico “dislocated millions of Mexican workers and their families,” which “was a major cause in the dramatic increase in undocumented workers flowing into the U.S. labor market.” And NAFTA became a “template for rules of the emerging global economy, in which the benefits would flow to capital and the costs to labor.”

Clinton’s 1992 campaign promise to “end welfare as we know it” played directly to white voters' fears of black crime and poverty. Twenty years after scrapping the longstanding Aid to Families with Dependent Children in favor of the right wing’s underfunded and more punitive vision, the number of poor American children has exploded and black welfare recipients are subject to the system’s most stringent rules.
15 Ways Bill Clinton’s White House Failed America and the World | Alternet

Try as I might, I still can't see you as a teacher
 

Bar Sinister

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you seem to be unaware that DEMOCRATIC US policies created this problem in mexico's economy in the first place

ELECTION 2016
15 Ways Bill Clinton’s White House Failed America and the World
Many Americans do not associate Clinton with his dark legacy.

B
2. Punitive welfare reform. The consequences of Bill Clinton’s welfare reform bill have been devastating for millions of American families. The Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996 took a page directly from Republican Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich’s Contract with America. In an atmosphere steeped in decades of conservative scaremongering around the specter of sexually reckless “welfare queens,” Clinton’s 1992 campaign promise to “end welfare as we know it” played directly to white voters' fears of black crime and poverty. Twenty years after scrapping the longstanding Aid to Families with Dependent Children in favor of the right wing’s underfunded and more punitive vision, the number of poor American children has exploded and black welfare recipients are subject to the system’s most stringent rules.

In 2012, the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities found that while “in 1996, for every 100 families with children living in poverty, TANF [Temporary Assistance for Needy Families] provided cash aid to 68 families,” that number plunged to 27 out of every 100 families living in poverty by 2010. Conservatives trumpet these numbers, often citing the fact that nationally, TANF enrollment fell 58 percent between 1995-2010. But they neglect to mention that the number of poor families with children rose 17 percent in the same period.

Sociologist Joe Soss, who has examined the long-term racial consequences of welfare reform, which allowed states to decide how funds were allotted and eligibility determined, also noted that, “all of the states with more African Americans on the welfare rolls chose tougher rules…[E]ven though the Civil Rights Act prevents the government from creating different programs for black and white recipients, when states choose according to this pattern, it ends up that large numbers of African Americans get concentrated in the states with the toughest rules, and large numbers of white recipients get concentrated in the states with the more lenient rules.”

3. Wall Street’s Deregulator-in-Chief. As president, Clinton outdid the GOP when it came to unleashing Wall Street’s worst instincts, by supporting and signing into law more financial deregulation legislation than any other president, according to the Columbia Journalism Review.


He didn’t just push the Democrats controlling the House to pass a bill (Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act) that dissolved the Depression-era Glass-Steagall law, which barred investment banks from commercial banking activities. He deregulated the risky derivatives market (Commodity Futures Modernization Act), gutted state regulation of banks (Riegle-Neal) leading to a wave of banking mergers, and reappointed Alan Greenspan as Federal Reserve chair. In recent years, Clinton has ludicrously claimed that the GOP forced him to do this, which led in no small part to the global financial crisis of 2008 and the too-big-to-fail ethos, with the federal government obligated to bail out multinational banks while doing little for individual account holders.

“What happened?” he told CNN in 2013. “The American people gave the Congress to a group of very conservative Republicans. When they passed bills with veto-proof majority with a lot of Democrats voting for it, that I couldn’t stop, all of a sudden we turn out to be maniacal deregulators. I mean, come on.” As CJR put it, “This is, to be kind, bull****,” reciting a list of Clinton deregulatory actions that began while Democrats were the majority, starting with appointing “Robert Rubin and Larry Summers in the Treasury, which officially did in Glass-Steagall and the Commodity Futures Modernization Act, which left the derivatives market a laissez-faire Wild West.”

CJR concludes, “The bottom line is: Bill Clinton was responsible for more damaging financial deregulation—and thus, for the [2008] financial crisis—than any other president.”

4. Gutted manufacturing via trade agreements. Bill Clinton helped gut America’s manufacturing base by promoting and passing the North American Free Trade Agreement, or NAFTA, in 1993, when Democrats controlled Congress. That especially resonates today, when another Democratic president, Barack Obama, and Republicans in Congress, are allied against labor unions and liberal Democrats to pass its like-minded descendant, the Trans Pacific Partnership. “NAFTA signaled that the Democratic Party—the “progressive” side of the U.S. two-party system—had accepted the reactionary economic ideology of Ronald Reagan,” wrote Jeff Faux, on the Economic Policy Institute Working Economics Blog.

In 1979, then-candidate Reagan proposed a trade pact between the U.S., Canada and Mexico. But the Democrats who controlled the Congress would not approve it until Clinton pushed it in his first year in office. NAFTA has affected U.S. workers in four major ways, EPI said. It caused the permanent loss of 700,000 manufacturing jobs in industrial states such as California, Texas and Michigan. It gave corporate managers an excuse to cut wages and benefits, threatening otherwise to move to Mexico. Selling U.S. farm products in Mexico “dislocated millions of Mexican workers and their families,” which “was a major cause in the dramatic increase in undocumented workers flowing into the U.S. labor market.” And NAFTA became a “template for rules of the emerging global economy, in which the benefits would flow to capital and the costs to labor.”

Clinton’s 1992 campaign promise to “end welfare as we know it” played directly to white voters' fears of black crime and poverty. Twenty years after scrapping the longstanding Aid to Families with Dependent Children in favor of the right wing’s underfunded and more punitive vision, the number of poor American children has exploded and black welfare recipients are subject to the system’s most stringent rules.
15 Ways Bill Clinton’s White House Failed America and the World | Alternet

Try as I might, I still can't see you as a teacher

Sorry, but that is complete nonsense. The problem between the US and Mexico goes back over a century to the time when the US stole half of Mexico's territory. Having done that for a start the US spent the next 130 years interfering in Mexico's political and economic systems. Putting the blame on Clinton and the actions that took place during the last 20 years is ridiculously simplistic.

And try as I might I can't see you as having an IQ higher than 90. If you did you wouldn't have to add an insult with every one of your posts - your words would speak for themselves. But keep it up. One of these days you might manage to post something that makes sense.
 

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I don't see any problem with people who are convicted of a crime being deported if they aren't US citizens.


I'm pretty sure that's what Canada does.



If we can find them. There are literally thousands of immigrants who have deportation orders who have gone underground because we don't detain them - we expect them to show up!! Ya, right!
 

Danbones

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Sorry, but that is complete nonsense. The problem between the US and Mexico goes back over a century to the time when the US stole half of Mexico's territory. Having done that for a start the US spent the next 130 years interfering in Mexico's political and economic systems. Putting the blame on Clinton and the actions that took place during the last 20 years is ridiculously simplistic.

And try as I might I can't see you as having an IQ higher than 90. If you did you wouldn't have to add an insult with every one of your posts - your words would speak for themselves. But keep it up. One of these days you might manage to post something that makes sense.

You might learn something about the comprehension of the real world.
You justified your MISTAKEN position by stating you are an educator instead of using credible citations, which is condescending and insulting, yet you criticize me because you don't get the picture.
So, it's your IQ in question here...
not mine.

I know what my IQ actually is...measured by educators just like you claim to be...
double your best guess
lol
If you can't do, teach eh?

You want go head to head get your game on properly or STFU
 

Curious Cdn

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I know what my IQ actually is...measured by educators just like you claim to be...
double your best guess


Hmmmmmm.... I guess 45.
 

JLM

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I don't see any problem with people who are convicted of a crime being deported if they aren't US citizens.


I'm pretty sure that's what Canada does.


Within reason, keeping in mind the cost of deporting them. Drug deals and gangsters definitely. The 90 year old woman who steals a can of cat food to slake hunger, maybe not!
 

Remington1

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If I was a criminal living in the US and know that the US authorities are aware of it and are planning to send me somewhere I probably don' have the cleanest record either, well where do I go? Now that the President elect has shown the world the type of people he's surrounding himself with, I certainly hope that Canada is increasing their own border security. People applying is fine, but we certainly do not need the number of criminals the US authorities are claiming to lodge start running north. Yikes!!
 

Bar Sinister

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You might learn something about the comprehension of the real world.
You justified your MISTAKEN position by stating you are an educator instead of using credible citations, which is condescending and insulting, yet you criticize me because you don't get the picture.
So, it's your IQ in question here...
not mine.

I know what my IQ actually is...measured by educators just like you claim to be...
double your best guess
lol
If you can't do, teach eh?

You want go head to head get your game on properly or STFU

What a brilliant reply. It completely refuted my post without offering the slightest bit of evidence to the contrary. Keep on posting; you are continually proving my point about the level of your intelligence.