Who can really argue with the basic philosophy if you are not Christian, of Jesus –

[Scott Free]

This indicates your equivocation.​

While that which I meant is very clear:​

First: Concerning Jesus Christ:
Jesus said many true parables and that the First Commandment is the most important of all the commandments.​

Whereas many other words he did not say, but were fabricated and attributed to him: that he said such words, while in fact he did not, and such fabricated teachings were introduced in the available Gospels.​

So you can pick and choose what he said - like you do with Muhammad. How very convenient and what a load of Bullocks.

If any of the words are suspect then it follows that all the words are suspect.

​

This is in the Quran 4: 80

The explanation:
(Whoso obeys the messenger [and is ready to fight in the way of God], obeys God [because the messenger works according to the command of God.]​

um.. yes... because fighting is a requirement in a religion of peace.

lmao :lol:
​

 

[Scott Free]

Nope, that's the point. I understand that thousands of different organizations have thousands of different views and that individuals within each different organization may have different views. That is why I don't use the term "most".

This really isn't that difficult of a concept to understand you know.

I was looking over the thread again and realized that you've been framing the issue. What I actually said was: This is news to most Christians who read only the Bible.

What I said was basically a syllogism and put more formerly:

If someone only reads the Bible then any information found outside of the Bible, in different books, would be new(s) to them.

And your quite right I shouldn't have said "most;" what I should have said is all. Because it follows with certainty that if someone only read the Bible then information found in another book would definitely be new(s) to them.

So I was absolutely correct and you were trying to use a logic fallacy to trip me up.

 

[Cliffy]

So I was absolutely correct and you were trying to use a logic fallacy to trip me up.

Scott Free,

That is his MO. Though I find his posts simple and concise, they come from a head space foriegn to many and are always antagonistic.

 

[Spade]

Good morning, Cliff.

 

[Cliffy]

Good morning, Cliff.

And top of the mornin' to you as well, cousin.

 

[Goober]

Why do so many believe the Holocaust to be fiction - Wackos I must say are everywhere

Goober,

100 million aboriginal Americans died in the first hundred years of the European invasion. Nobody talks about that but many have said I'm a liar for saying it even after i revealed the source of that information. And yet everybody has an opinion about 6 million Jews dying under Nazi occupation. Really, I couldn't give a rat's ass about the "Holocaust" while everybody ignores the one our ancestors wrought upon the Amerindians.

It is so much easier to point a finger at someone else than to look in one's own back yard.

Cliffy – The numbers that you state on 100 million are still open to dispute but whether it was 40 or 100 million it is still a disgrace on the soul of humanity.
But as you look back upon history we can find many practices or actions that would in this century be considered reprehensible –
Civilization and moral codes in many countries have indeed changed –
But the Holocaust was the planned extermination of a race in a supposedly civilized country that had the rule of law -

Why do so many believe the Holocaust to be fiction - Wackos I must say are everywhere

 

[Goober]

Eanissir

This indicates your equivocation.

While that which I meant is very clear:

First: Concerning Jesus Christ:
Jesus said many true parables and that the First Commandment is the most important of all the commandments.

Whereas many other words he did not say, but were fabricated and attributed to him: that he said such words, while in fact he did not, and such fabricated teachings were introduced in the available Gospels.

Such fabricated words are like: he is the son of God, or he is God Himself, or that he is part of a Trinity, or the redemption from the primary sin.

And why should he be different from all the apostles of God who invited people to follow God alone? And anyone obeys them, he in fact would obey God Himself, and would prosper.



Point - Please expand upon what he did not say but are mere fabrications?

Why do so many believe the Holocaust to be fiction - Wackos I must say are everywhere

 

[eanassir]

Quoting Scott Free: "So you can pick and choose what he said - like you do with Muhammad. How very convenient and what a load of Bullocks.
If any of the words are suspect then it follows that all the words are suspect."

Not all the words of the present Gospels are false; the words that are reasonable and agree with the Ten Commandments are true like Jesus is the son of man.

Whereas the words, which contradict the Ten Commandments and the First of these Commandments in particular, are false and fabricated: like Jesus is God or son of God.

The words that include some enthusiasm about the Christ, like: "Jesus is the beginning and the end" are almost invented and inserted by some later writers.

While words like "Why do you call me good? Only God is Good." are true. ​

Quoting Scott Free: "um.. yes... because fighting is a requirement in a religion of peace.

If some people come to fight you, what will you say to them: Welcome?

So the Islam is the religion of peace to those peaceable with people, and requires fighting against those who attack and transgress on them.
​

This is like His saying – be glorified – in the Quran 2: 190- 191

وَقَاتِلُواْ فِي سَبِيلِ اللّهِ الَّذِينَ يُقَاتِلُونَكُمْ وَلاَ تَعْتَدُواْ إِنَّ اللّهَ لاَ يُحِبِّ الْمُعْتَدِينَ ​

The explanation:
(Fight in the way of God against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. God does not love aggressors.)

quranandhebrewbible.t35.com/english3.htm#The_Jihad__the_Holy_War)
​

 

[L Gilbert]

That's hardly a good attitude. If someone came to fight me, I would point out that it would be more mutually beneficial if we came to an agreement. It is easier and healthier to think of ways to benefit together than it is to bash heads together.

 

[Scott Free]

Not all the words of the present Gospels are false; the words that are reasonable and agree with the Ten Commandments are true like Jesus is the son of man.
​

The ten commandments aren't true!

They are a vicious dictate from a mass murderer.

Which is probably why you like them - seeing as you follow a similar savage who invokes you to fight when clearly murder is forbidden by the ten commandments (which you think are correct).

Clearly Muhammad is an enemy of god then. The ten Commandments didn't say anything about who killed who or who started killing who - just don't kill. That is the command and Muhammad tells you to break it.

Therefore Muhammad is an enemy of god - an idolator.

He tells you to kill when god tells you not to.

So do you follow Muhammad or god?

 

[Cannuck]

seeing as you follow a similar savage who invokes you to fight when clearly murder is forbidden by the ten commandments

Killing and murdering are not synonymous.

 

[Goober]

Quoting Scott Free: "So you can pick and choose what he said - like you do with Muhammad. How very convenient and what a load of Bullocks.
If any of the words are suspect then it follows that all the words are suspect."

Not all the words of the present Gospels are false; the words that are reasonable and agree with the Ten Commandments are true like Jesus is the son of man.​

Whereas the words, which contradict the Ten Commandments and the First of these Commandments in particular, are false and fabricated: like Jesus is God or son of God. ​

The words that include some enthusiasm about the Christ, like: "Jesus is the beginning and the end" are almost invented and inserted by some later writers. ​

While words like "Why do you call me good? Only God is Good." are true. ​

Quoting Scott Free: "um.. yes... because fighting is a requirement in a religion of peace.

If some people come to fight you, what will you say to them: Welcome?​

So the Islam is the religion of peace to those peaceable with people, and requires fighting against those who attack and transgress on them.​

This is like His saying – be glorified – in the Quran 2: 190- 191

وَقَاتِلُواْ فِي سَبِيلِ اللّهِ الَّذِينَ يُقَاتِلُونَكُمْ وَلاَ تَعْتَدُواْ إِنَّ اللّهَ لاَ يُحِبِّ الْمُعْتَدِينَ​

The explanation:
(Fight in the way of God against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. God does not love aggressors.)

quranandhebrewbible.t35.com/english3.htm#The_Jihad__the_Holy_War)​

Eanissir

What is your opinion of the hijackers that crashed planes into the Twin Towers – or the suicide bomber that kills the enemy shall we say along with the innocent?

 

[Scott Free]

So I was absolutely correct and you were trying to use a logic fallacy to trip me up.

Scott Free,

That is his MO. Though I find his posts simple and concise, they come from a head space foriegn to many and are always antagonistic.

I agree. He already made clear to Dexter that he isn't interested in being logical or finding the truth of things. It seems he is a troll or a misguided person with a contrary and bitter nature.

 

[Scott Free]

Killing and murdering are not synonymous.

lmao. :lol:

Maybe you should think about studying logic. It surely couldn't hurt.

lol :lol: :lol:

 

[Goober]

I agree. He already made clear to Dexter that he isn't interested in being logical or finding the truth of things. It seems he is a troll or a misguided person with a contrary and bitter nature.

Scott Free - Got the tag line - Brains do fart on ocassion.

 

[Cannuck]

I agree. He already made clear to Dexter that he isn't interested in being logical or finding the truth of things.

If I wanted logic I certainly wouldn't bother coming to a philosophy thread.

One would think that those that wanted to scientifically discuss the statically probabilities of the existence of a supreme being, would do so in a science forum....but please continue.

 

[Cannuck]

Maybe you should think about studying logic. It surely couldn't hurt.

Instead of laughing your ass off, perhaps you could explain if and why you agree or disagree with the statement that killing and murder are not synonymous. If you disagree then I'd be more than a little interested in what others here think of you calling their loved ones (that are over in Afghanistan or have served in Korea or WWII) murderers.

 

[Goober]

I agree. He already made clear to Dexter that he isn't interested in being logical or finding the truth of things. It seems he is a troll or a misguided person with a contrary and bitter nature.

Scott Free

Rather quick to condemn someone – I have read Cliffys posts on the “other forum” and he is not a Troll.

 

[Goober]

lmao. :lol:

Maybe you should think about studying logic. It surely couldn't hurt.

lol :lol: :lol:

Murder -the crime of killing another person deliberately and not in self-defense or with any other extenuating circumstance recognized by law

Killing - the act of causing the death of a person or animal

 

[Scott Free]

Scott Free

Rather quick to condemn someone – I have read Cliffys posts on the “other forum” and he is not a Troll.

I wasn't talking about Cliffy.

Who's quick to condemn again?

so give your head a shake. :roll: