White poppy denigrates remembrance: Legion

damngrumpy

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Sparrow that is the point I made above, in the spring there is a day to remember
Victory in Europe Day and that could have become a symbol of peace, instead
these peace zealots fly in the face of respect and they did their own cause great
harm. Remembrance Day is about those who died and those who sacrificed
part of their lives so we could maintain our way of life. The White Poppy people
are making it an occasion all about them.
 

Spade

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Remembrance Day is not intended to glorify war; if anything it is to remind us of its horrors, and the sacrifice of individuals and families regardless of history's determination of its causes or legitimacy.
 

damngrumpy

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Not at all you have freedom of speech, to say what ever you want. And the
Poppy season runs until the 11Th because after that we all go back to finding
someone to quarrel with. On the 12Th Christmas Season begins, and we
are supposed to be our brothers keeper until after Boxing Day, then we trample
each other for bargains. Come on Jerry you know the routine by know surely.
I once heard someone say There ain't no room for a diversity of opinion in a
democracy. That was said in the heat of debate on the day the first Gulf War
started. You should know that by now.
 

gerryh

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Remembrance Day is not intended to glorify war; if anything it is to remind us of its horrors, and the sacrifice of individuals and families regardless of history's determination of its causes or legitimacy.


obviously not doin a very good job in that department.

Not at all you have freedom of speech, to say what ever you want.
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actually, no I don't.... and I'm fine with that, for one day.... not the whole frickin month.
 

Goober

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because I am supposed to keep my opinions to myself on remembrance day.... just wanting to know if my freedom of speech is being curtailed for the entire month.
No your freedom is not restricted as you know full well it is not. I refer to Spades comment that it is a day the Remember the Soldiers, Airmen, Sailors and Women who served and died.

It is NOT A Freaking Holiday as i see many Canadians state. I have recent immigrants working for me and they wear Poppies - why - The know the answer as well as you or I and more so than many Canadians.

It is not a celebration of War as you posted, i think and hope that was just a mis post on your part.
 

Risus

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Why do we wear red poppies on Remembrance Day, November 11? Where did that tradition come from?
The poppy worn on Remembrance Day is the red-corn poppy, which grows abundantly in Europe, including Flanders Fields.
'In Flanders Fields' is a poem, written by Canadian physician and Lieutenant Colonel John McCrae on May 3, 1915, and was written about the small red flowers growing on the battlefields of France amongst the death and blood from the men who died fighting for their country.
This is because the corn poppy was one of the only plants that grew on the battlefield. It thrives in disturbed soil, which was abundant on the battlefield due to intensive shelling. During the few weeks the plant blossomed, the battlefield was coloured blood red, not just from the red flower that grew in great numbers but also from the actual blood of the dead soldiers that lay scattered and untended to on the otherwise barren battlegrounds.
Source: en.wikipedia.org



The poem and the poppy, have now become iconic symbols of both the World Wars, and now plastic versions are sold prior to Remembrance Day to remember those who died.
The poem:

In Flanders fields the poppies blow
Between the crosses, row on row,
That mark our place; and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.

We are the Dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved, and were loved, and now we lie
In Flanders Fields.

Take up our quarrel with the foe:
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders Fields.

- John McCrae

Juan, thanks for posting that. We cannot forget!!
 

gerryh

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No your freedom is not restricted as you know full well it is not. I refer to Spades comment that it is a day the Remember the Soldiers, Airmen, Sailors and Women who served and died.

It is NOT A Freaking Holiday as i see many Canadians state. I have recent immigrants working for me and they wear Poppies - why - The know the answer as well as you or I and more so than many Canadians.

It is not a celebration of War as you posted, i think and hope that was just a mis post on your part.


I did not mis post, and shall we see how long into the day it goes before I am timed out on remembrance day for posting what I truly think?
 

Cliffy

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Remembrance Day is not intended to glorify war; if anything it is to remind us of its horrors, and the sacrifice of individuals and families regardless of history's determination of its causes or legitimacy.
Wasn't Remembrance day started so we would not forget that WW1 was supposed to be the war to end all wars? That is one goal that it has failed at miserably. When will we stop sending our youth to die. When will families stop sending their kids to support the horror? I have not been aware of a single war where Canadians fought for our freedom. They fought because, as a member of the British Commonwealth, we were duty bound to fight for England, or because of our participation in NATO obliged us to. So Spade is correct. It is not about honouring the dead that sacrificed their lives for us, it is about remembering the horror, pain and lose that we should not forget the stupidity of war and stop participating in the insanity.
 

gerryh

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Goober, in the past I have posted pictures showing the horrors of war on remembrance day. Only to have those pictures deleted and then warned not to continue. So no, it is NOT to remember the horror, it is to gloify the acts.
 

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Sad to see some people here using this unfortunate act of bad taste and ignorance by a fringe group to parade their own moral shortcomings.

Sad but not surprising-I see the usual suspects acting like jackasses over & over & over daily.
 

Goober

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Goober, in the past I have posted pictures showing the horrors of war on remembrance day. Only to have those pictures deleted and then warned not to continue. So no, it is NOT to remember the horror, it is to gloify the acts.

Then the message has been lost by you and you alone - It is no more than a day to Remember those that died. No more no less that those that died.
 

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I don't see what the big deal is.

Why not wear both?

One to honor those who fought and died for what we believe in, the other to honor what we all hope for our children...peace.
 

taxslave

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Rather a tacky move by a bunch of cowardly lefties. Even though thousands died to protect the right to free speech which successive governments have tried diligently to take away from us they could have at least picked a better time of year and a different flower. White lilies would have been more appropriate.
 

wulfie68

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On the original topic, I don't like the idea of these people trying to compete with the Royal Canadian Legion and if they are infringing on trademarks, then I hope the courts rule against them. As others have said, a lot of the stated aims of the White Poppy people are the same as the Legion's.

While I can sympathize to a degree with a lot of peace loving movements, people supporting tthem tend to forget a fundamental fact of conflicts: both sides don't have to want them for them to occur. The choice is up to the defender how to respond to aggression, either to allow it to continue or to take measures to stop it. I'm not as generous as those who say we should give in to aggressors because "they just want what we have"... if we allow them they take something from us, be it land, resources or more abstract things like our freedoms, we no longer have it.

I have to say I am disappointed in the ignorance some of our posters display though. Cliffy, I could let the first thought or two in your post go, as they were correct to a point. Then you posted this...

I have not been aware of a single war where Canadians fought for our freedom. They fought because, as a member of the British Commonwealth, we were duty bound to fight for England, or because of our participation in NATO obliged us to.

We can argue the merits of many of the wars (including WW1) but WW2 is clearly a war for freedom. If the Allies hadn't stopped Germany, they would have taken Britain, Russia, Africa and then they would have outmatched the industrial capacity and wealth of North America. Not to mention the Nazis were researching atomic weapons before the Americans and it was constant bombing of their facilities that prevented them from gaining access to them first. The Nazis were an expansionist regime and while they may have taken time to consolidate their gains and re-arm after taking Europe, make no mistake, North America's turn would have come. It can be argued that the allies created the Nazis through the draconian terms imposed in the Treaty of Versailles but in the end the monster emerged and needed to be stopped.
 

gerryh

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Then the message has been lost by you and you alone - It is no more than a day to Remember those that died. No more no less that those that died.


My Grandfather told me what the "message" was supposed to be. He told me of the "war to end all wars" that he fought in and lost his only brother in. There's the key right there, "the war to end all wars", fighting and dieing so no one else will have to. What a crock that turned out to be.