Which Issue Will Defeat Obama Nov. 6?

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tay

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Osama Bin Laden targeted the financial district, the Twin Towers, a direct hit to the U.S. economy and stability in the world.. he wanted to cripple the US economy.

Now we have Obama who has out spent all the previous Presidents before him, growing the deficit to 9 trillion dollars and with Obamacare will increase it to more than the US GDP to 14 trillion dollars.. making the USA into a European crap hole and selling American youth to China.



I suppose we shouldn't let facts get in the way of the diatribe.

But we must ask who was going to pay for the Iraq and Afghanistan wars? They lowered the tax rate for the high earners and wouldn't let those Bush Tax cuts sunset. So instead of those Romney esque money makers paying 14% tax the patriots of past paid what it took to protect the country.......


And I don't know how one could not be aware of who is shipping jobs to China...........


Romney makes $450,000 per week from his blind trust.
• Bain is closing a factory and shipping equipment and jobs to China
• The US government has paid $780,000 retraining fired Sensata workers.
• Bain can deduct the expense of moving to China from US taxes.
• US workers at the Sensata factory have to train their Chinese replacements.
• Romney owns about $8 million worth of Bain funds that hold 51 percent of Sensata’s shares


These are high-tech, well paid jobs performed by skilled American workers.
• Workers in the Sensata factory in China make 99 cents an hour.
• Chinese laborers work 12 hour shifts, 7 days per week.
• Chinese workers are housed 2 to 3 to a room in barracks
• The American workers set records for profits for Sensata






World War I


In order to finance U.S. participation in World War One, Congress passed the 1916 Revenue Act, and then the War Revenue Act of 1917. The highest income tax rate jumped from 15 percent in 1916 to 67 percent in 1917 to 77 percent in 1918. War is expensive.

After the war, federal income tax rates took on the steam of the roaring 1920s, dropping to 25 percent from 1925 through 1931.

The Depression


Congress raised taxes again in 1932 during the Great Depression from 25 percent to 63 percent on the top earners.

World War II


As we mentioned earlier, war is expensive.

In 1944, the top rate peaked at 94 percent on taxable income over $200,000 ($2.5 million in today’s dollars3). That’s a high tax rate.


History of Federal Income Tax Rates: 1913




Romney's Bain Selling Out American Workers to China - YouTube
 

Liberalman

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Who is going to vote for a man who believes in a religion that is hard to prove as legitimate?

Who is going to vote for a man who has publicly said that he believes in a living prophet and is willing to follow his commandments?

Who is going to vote for a man whose Mormon faith tried to bring in a way to live by called The United Order, which closely resembles Communism?

Romney is a devout Mormon who has said that he will represent to 53% of Americans who voted for him while the 47% of voters who are the poor will have to fight for themselves because he plans to get rid of government programs that help them.

Obama will try to help all the people where Romney will be willing to throw half of the people to the wolves to get results.
 

JLM

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Who is going to vote for a man who believes in a religion that is hard to prove as legitimate?

Who is going to vote for a man who has publicly said that he believes in a living prophet and is willing to follow his commandments?

Who is going to vote for a man whose Mormon faith tried to bring in a way to live by called The United Order, which closely resembles Communism?

Romney is a devout Mormon who has said that he will represent to 53% of Americans who voted for him while the 47% of voters who are the poor will have to fight for themselves because he plans to get rid of government programs that help them.

Obama will try to help all the people where Romney will be willing to throw half of the people to the wolves to get results.


Like you I'm pulling for Obama, unlike you I don't believe a word any politician says, but at least Obama has a 4 year track record which isn't bad and I think he has more compassion for the common man and and and he did euthanize Bin Laden!

 

captain morgan

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But we must ask who was going to pay for the Iraq and Afghanistan wars? They lowered the tax rate for the high earners and wouldn't let those Bush Tax cuts sunset.

Obama had 2 years where he could have reversed the Bush tax cuts... But, I guess that he was too busy golfing to get around it.

BTW - who's paying for the wars in Afghanistan?.. It's fair to say that the 50%+ of Americans that don't pay any federal taxes are NOT the ones paying for it.


Romney makes $450,000 per week from his blind trust.

That bothers you doesn't it?... Someone that makes more money in one week than you do in ten years is 'unfair' right?
 

Angstrom

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Who is going to vote for a man who believes in a religion that is hard to prove as legitimate?

Who is going to vote for a man who has publicly said that he believes in a living prophet and is willing to follow his commandments?

Who is going to vote for a man whose Mormon faith tried to bring in a way to live by called The United Order, which closely resembles Communism?

Romney is a devout Mormon who has said that he will represent to 53% of Americans who voted for him while the 47% of voters who are the poor will have to fight for themselves because he plans to get rid of government programs that help them.

Obama will try to help all the people where Romney will be willing to throw half of the people to the wolves to get results.

Thats what we needs. a good dose of reality.
I declare survival of the fitss. For the next 4 years,

Whoever survives gets to rebuild America.
 

taxslave

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Who is going to vote for a man who believes in a religion that is hard to prove as legitimate?

Who is going to vote for a man who has publicly said that he believes in a living prophet and is willing to follow his commandments?

Who is going to vote for a man whose Mormon faith tried to bring in a way to live by called The United Order, which closely resembles Communism?

Romney is a devout Mormon who has said that he will represent to 53% of Americans who voted for him while the 47% of voters who are the poor will have to fight for themselves because he plans to get rid of government programs that help them.

Obama will try to help all the people where Romney will be willing to throw half of the people to the wolves to get results.

Who gets to decide what religions are legitimate and which ones are not?
 

Locutus

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via Zip:


Biden: Yes, Obama Is “Leading From Behind”…

Reggie Love concurs.


Via Weekly Standard:
At a campaign fundraiser in Connecticut today, Vice President Joe Biden talked up the Obama administration’s foreign policy of “leading from behind.”


Biden “suggested that Ryan and Romney’s comments that the U.S. was ‘leading from behind’ present considerable risks for the nation’s interests,” according to the pool reporter’s write-up of Biden’s comments.


Biden then said in reference to his debate with Paul Ryan last week, according to the pool report, “When you ask as I did on Thursday night…’how do you disagree with us in terms of leading from behind, what would you do differently?”’


“The Republicans provided ‘not a single solitary specific,’ Biden said. ‘I know a lot about foreign policy and I know one thing: loose talk is dangerous. The last thing we need is another land war tying us down,’” according to the pool report.


Keep reading…




http://weaselzippers.us/2012/10/14/biden-yes-obama-is-leading-from-behind/

 

Kreskin

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I could be wrong but isn't this lingual semantics? Put quotation marks in the "leading from behind" and it appears he asking them to explain their leading from behind statement and back it up with what they would do different from what is already being done.

’how do you disagree with us in terms of "leading from behind", what would you do differently?”’
 

Goober

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If that is the big controversy in foreign policy/security then it's been the best performance in 100 years. People sure have short memories.

You are looking at in in the wrong light- It ss not that an attack happened - it is how the White House reacted - You know the old political saying - it is not what happened that burns you - but the coverup that will.

Obama had 2 years where he could have reversed the Bush tax cuts... But, I guess that he was too busy golfing to get around it.

BTW - who's paying for the wars in Afghanistan?.. It's fair to say that the 50%+ of Americans that don't pay any federal taxes are NOT the ones paying for it.




That bothers you doesn't it?... Someone that makes more money in one week than you do in ten years is 'unfair' right?


Tax cuts were a trade off with the Repubs for Obamacare.
 

Kreskin

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You are looking at in in the wrong light- It ss not that an attack happened - it is how the White House reacted - You know the old political saying - it is not what happened that burns you - but the coverup that will.




Tax cuts were a trade off with the Repubs for Obamacare.
Shall we line up all the gaffs the Republicans have made in their reaction to foreign and domestic events? How many hundreds of thousands killed as a result?
 

Goober

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Shall we line up all the gaffs the Republicans have made in their reaction to foreign and domestic events? How many hundreds of thousands killed as a result?

Not what I stated - To much spin out of the WH on this one- to many stating they asked for Marines- Some idiot turned it down- Anyone with a lick of sense knew that Libya was and still is a dangerous country going thru a massive change.
Guess the idiots in State do not read their own press releases or newspapers.

Biden made contradictory statements I believe during the debates- Not sure on that - and Romney will go after Obama on that.

Now Romney on FP - I posted a thread that gives the details- Heavy on force - light on diplomacy.
And Russia according to Mitt is the greatest enemy facing the US.

So when it comes to FP - In my opinion those slamming Obama for the ME and not being up to par- no one is - the situations change rapidly.

Next - Obama's speech in Egypt - many call that an apology- i do not. But after 2 wars what does the Muslim world think.

On Libya- He made the right call with Qaddafi- NATO countries and the Arab league on board - let others lead -
 

taxslave

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It will be nice when this election is finally over. Getting tired of all the yapping about an election we have no voice in and ca do nothing about who wins except maybe shut the door.
 

Kreskin

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There are probably ten phone calls a day from staff around the world requesting more resources. I doubt the government was halted so everyone could listen to and evaluate one request. There are plenty of things going on in the world. Last time I looked everyone was asking for something that costs money.
 

Goober

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There are probably ten phone calls a day from staff around the world requesting more resources. I doubt the government was halted so everyone could listen to and evaluate one request. There are plenty of things going on in the world. Last time I looked everyone was asking for something that costs money.

With every country in the ME and North Africa in flux this request for Marines is not one that should have been sloughed off. Look at what they had for protection- look at the repeated requests - bad decision made. Then the spin was it was about riots from the video- False.
It looks like they had a poor handle on these situations in the ME and NAfrica and Romney will go after Obama on that.
Next debates are Tuesday I believe - wait and see.
 

Just the Facts

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I suppose we shouldn't let facts get in the way of the diatribe.

But we must ask who was going to pay for the Iraq and Afghanistan wars? They lowered the tax rate for the high earners and wouldn't let those Bush Tax cuts sunset. So instead of those Romney esque money makers paying 14% tax the patriots of past paid what it took to protect the country.......

I don't know much about the China thing, other than that we're all guilty for patronizing if not demanding the cheap made in China products, so I'll leave that to the economists. But the wars, Afghanistan was thrust upon us, it was a bi-partisan war, we all agreed it had to be done, so I don't see that helping or hindering either candidate. As for Iraq, it was all about the oil, so it's more than paying for itself in stolen oil revenue, right? Right!?
 

JLM

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I don't know much about the China thing, other than that we're all guilty for patronizing if not demanding the cheap made in China products, so I'll leave that to the economists. But the wars, Afghanistan was thrust upon us, it was a bi-partisan war, we all agreed it had to be done, so I don't see that helping or hindering either candidate. As for Iraq, it was all about the oil, so it's more than paying for itself in stolen oil revenue, right? Right!?

I hear a lot of rhetoric about the Iraq war being all about oil, but I'm a little vague on the details which I'm sure someone will gladly provide, so that this aspect of the war is straight in everyone's mind. I don't recall hearing about anyone getting shot stealing all this oil, which I'm sure the Iraqis are capable of doing. :smile:
 

Goober

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Obama and the Dems had 2 full years of controlling both houses and the White House... There should never have been a need top negotiate with the Republicans

Are you saying the house r the senate always does what the president- same party- wants? - not likely.
 

Just the Facts

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“The Republicans provided ‘not a single solitary specific,’ Biden said.

lol well duh! That's because you and Martha kept interrupting him, Joe.

Tax cuts were a trade off with the Repubs for Obamacare.

I thought Obamacare was deemed, I don't recall any deals to pass it. Of course, I could be wrong.

Thats what we needs. a good dose of reality.
I declare survival of the fitss. For the next 4 years,

Whoever survives gets to rebuild America.

Cool, I'm good at fitss. I've thrown lots of good fitss over the years, I might have a decent chance here! :)