Where is the sense?

[JLM]

As soon as you mention using herbicides or insecticides on your garden, you hear people muttering something about "chemicals" and you are regarded as the worst pariah on earth. Yet these same people squander $millions every day ingesting tons of chemicals purchased at fast food outlets and pharmacies. How does one make sense of that?

 

[karrie]

As soon as you mention using herbicides or insecticides on your garden, you hear people muttering something about "chemicals" and you are regarded as the worst pariah on earth. Yet these same people squander $millions every day ingesting tons of chemicals purchased at fast food outlets and pharmacies. How does one make sense of that?

Perhaps because for most people, a very little amount of work will achieve the same effect in your home garden as the chemicals will, unlike in factory food situations where it's impossible to take care of those issues manually due to scale.

There's also the directness of the impact.... the chemical is right there for your kids, pets, and you to come into constant contact with, PLUS to consume.

 

[AnnaG]

Yup. You can control what you do, but not others. A lot of people have no choice but to accept chemicals in stuff, but they don't have to like it.

 

[Mowich]

As soon as you mention using herbicides or insecticides on your garden, you hear people muttering something about "chemicals" and you are regarded as the worst pariah on earth. Yet these same people squander $millions every day ingesting tons of chemicals purchased at fast food outlets and pharmacies. How does one make sense of that?

One doesn't, JLM. Headlines are about all that most peole pay attention to these days and there simply aren't enough of them about the true cost to our health when we eat processed foods. Pesticides on the other hand have been in the news off and on for years, so most peole have at least a passing understanding of them.

 

[petros]

Why do people posons themselves with **** foods?

They are weak!

 

[taxslave]

I actually saw some anti fish farm weenies go into rotten ronnies to eat once. Does make you wonder.

 

[Mowich]

It does make one pause for thought, taxslave. I'll will never forget the images of mounds and mounds of garbage left in the wake of the Clayquot Sound protestors.

It was a complete disconnect. There they were wearing t-shirts proclaiming their love of the Earth, arguing to keep a piece of land pristine yet all the while treating the land they stood upon as nothing more than a garbage heap.

 

[karrie]

It does make one pause for thought, taxslave. I'll will never forget the images of mounds and mounds of garbage left in the wake of the Clayquot Sound protestors.

It was a complete disconnect. There they were wearing t-shirts proclaiming their love of the Earth, arguing to keep a piece of land pristine yet all the while treating the land they stood upon as nothing more than a garbage heap.

You would probably enjoy the film 'The Green Chain' then, and understand many of its points more than most.

 

[Liberalman]

If you believe the science or why the information is available or is it commonly known information packaged in a way to scare the people into buying certain products.

Remember when the bottled water came onto the market I first thought who would buy it since water comes out of the tap and it cost pennies per glass if that.

Then all of a sudden there were a lot of news stories on the low quality of water that comes out of the average tap

Then everyone started buying the bottled water at an inflated price.

Retailers want fresh produce to last for a long time so most of it can be sold with minimum spoilage which results in lost revenue.

Gardening require a lot of work and even more work if you don't use weed killer.

At harvest time you got more stuff than you do with which means more work preserving the foods.

Get rid of the chemicals from farm foods and the price dramatically goes up because it would a lot more work to produce the food and because of a higher rate of spoilage.

When ethanol plants opened up food prices rose because farmers were getting more money per acre to convert food to fuel for machines and triggered food riots in poorer countries.

Then there is the genetically modified or GM foods that is resistant to weeds but I am sure the chemical companies put out scary information about GM foods so people would demand that it not be grown.

That's why one cannot take information at face value because it might be incomplete.

 

[Mowich]

If you believe the science or why the information is available or is it commonly known information packaged in a way to scare the people into buying certain products.

Remember when the bottled water came onto the market I first thought who would buy it since water comes out of the tap and it cost pennies per glass if that.

Then all of a sudden there were a lot of news stories on the low quality of water that comes out of the average tap

Then everyone started buying the bottled water at an inflated price.

Retailers want fresh produce to last for a long time so most of it can be sold with minimum spoilage which results in lost revenue.

Gardening require a lot of work and even more work if you don't use weed killer.

At harvest time you got more stuff than you do with which means more work preserving the foods.

Get rid of the chemicals from farm foods and the price dramatically goes up because it would a lot more work to produce the food and because of a higher rate of spoilage.

When ethanol plants opened up food prices rose because farmers were getting more money per acre to convert food to fuel for machines and triggered food riots in poorer countries.

Then there is the genetically modified or GM foods that is resistant to weeds but I am sure the chemical companies put out scary information about GM foods so people would demand that it not be grown.

Wrong again, liberal man. Monsanto - the largest GM company on earth started out as a chemical company (think Agent Orange) and still has ties through subsidiary companies to the industry. They would be the last ones to put out 'scary information' about their own products.

That's why one cannot take information at face value because it might be incomplete.

You are right about this. It always pays to do as much research as possible as I have been doing for the past six years on the subject of agri-business and food production.

 

[Risus]

The city of Toronto banned the use of insecticides & herbicides a few years ago and now every park is just a sea of dandelions...

 

[YukonJack]

"The city of Toronto banned the use of insecticides & herbicides a few years ago and now every park is just a sea of dandelions..."

BINGO!!

Most of the times ignorant do-gooders fail to realize that there may (more tha likely will) be unintended consequenses.

They probably - Hell no, surely - think that banning DDT and save a few birds is worth more than saving hundreds of thousands of human lives, dying of malaria.

 

[petros]

They probably - Hell no, surely - think that banning DDT and save a few birds is worth more than saving hundreds of thousands of human lives, dying of malaria.

20,000 people drop dead from starvation everyday in a world of surplus.

Do you get your panties in a knot in regards to that absolutely disgusting situation?

 

[JLM]

"The city of Toronto banned the use of insecticides & herbicides a few years ago and now every park is just a sea of dandelions..."

BINGO!!

Most of the times ignorant do-gooders fail to realize that there may (more tha likely will) be unintended consequenses.

They probably - Hell no, surely - think that banning DDT and save a few birds is worth more than saving hundreds of thousands of human lives, dying of malaria.

Actually that Killex is just about useless on dandelions, it's just a temporary kill. I take a screw driver and dig the bastards out by the root- the "fixes" them.

 

[JLM]

20,000 people drop dead from starvation everyday in a world of surplus.

Do you get your panties in a knot in regards to that absolutely disgusting situation?

Common sense is the key- a little diazonon is good on the veg patch, you just don't go spraying it on lettuce 20 minutes before you eat it. Sure beats planting marigolds among the carrots.......................:lol::lol::lol:

 

[petros]

The only bugs that go for my veggies are cabbage moths on the cabbages.

 

[Risus]

Common sense is the key- a little diazonon is good on the veg patch, you just don't go spraying it on lettuce 20 minutes before you eat it. Sure beats planting marigolds among the carrots.......................:lol::lol::lol:

Unfortunately, common sense is lacking with the higher uppers who make the legal decisions...

 

[VanIsle]

It does make one pause for thought, taxslave. I'll will never forget the images of mounds and mounds of garbage left in the wake of the Clayquot Sound protestors.

It was a complete disconnect. There they were wearing t-shirts proclaiming their love of the Earth, arguing to keep a piece of land pristine yet all the while treating the land they stood upon as nothing more than a garbage heap.

It was a much bigger mess than you saw on TV. Pristine. Anything but. Those people would not use things like TP - just used the leaves on the trees. The mess they left behind was disgusting. Believe it or not - they even found welfare cheques laying on the ground there. One time my hubby arrested close to 200 of them. The cells there are not large enough for more than a couple of people so they had to all be put in the local Community Hall. They actually used the trash cans for toilets! After that mess was all over someone went in there and super fertilized the whole "Black Hole". It grew and filled in so fast it was un-believable. I have no idea what they used but it worked like a hot damn. The next time they came back they had to look for another place to make their mess. On the second go around they were no so successful in making such a mess, nor did it last nearly as long as the first time.

 

[Mowich]

It was a much bigger mess than you saw on TV. Pristine. Anything but. Those people would not use things like TP - just used the leaves on the trees. The mess they left behind was disgusting. Believe it or not - they even found welfare cheques laying on the ground there. One time my hubby arrested close to 200 of them. The cells there are not large enough for more than a couple of people so they had to all be put in the local Community Hall. They actually used the trash cans for toilets! After that mess was all over someone went in there and super fertilized the whole "Black Hole". It grew and filled in so fast it was un-believable. I have no idea what they used but it worked like a hot damn. The next time they came back they had to look for another place to make their mess. On the second go around they were no so successful in making such a mess, nor did it last nearly as long as the first time.

Personally, they lost a lot of credibility with me after I heard about this mess they left behind. Anyone who purports to love the wild places knows the unwritten rule - pack out what you pack in. Obviously this bunch had no clue.

 

[JLM]

Personally, they lost a lot of credibility with me after I heard about this mess they left behind. Anyone who purports to love the wild places knows the unwritten rule - pack out what you pack in. Obviously this bunch had no clue.

To be quite honest I can't think of a single occasion where I've been very impressed with public protestors, outside of the old adage about "strength in numbers" and making a lot of noise, they very seldom have all the facts or worse yet choose to ignore some important facts & as far as I'm concerned as soon as they break the law they've lost all credibility.