When does pro-choice become pro-abortion?

[Outta here]

I respect your choice Warrior_Won, and no offense taken, I assure you. I'm just offering a hand of humanity to you - you do indeed sound angry and I'd hate to see you do something that could only cause more problems for yourself, or unspeakable grief to a family left trying to understand what pushed some fellow over the edge to take their daughter or wife or sister from them.

Please, if you don't trust anyone here, find someone you do trust and speak with them. I wish you a peaceful Christmas, and I also wish you the gift of forgiveness - towards whomever or has hardened your heart so sadly.

 

[DurkaDurka]

Warrior, your true colours have emerged I see. You are nothing less then a sociopathic internet nerd. Are you suffering from personality disorder mixed in with a bit of paranoia?

 

[L Gilbert]

I respect your choice Warrior_Won, and no offense taken, I assure you. I'm just offering a hand of humanity to you - you do indeed sound angry and I'd hate to see you do something that could only cause more problems for yourself, or unspeakable grief to a family left trying to understand what pushed some fellow over the edge to take their daughter or wife or sister from them.

Please, if you don't trust anyone here, find someone you do trust and speak with them. I wish you a peaceful Christmas, and I also wish you the gift of forgiveness - towards whomever or has hardened your heart so sadly.

WW, my wife and I also wish you a speedy recovery and hope you are feeling much more pleasant yowards the human race tomorrow.

 

[warrior_won]

Warrior, your true colours have emerged I see. You are nothing less then a sociopathic internet nerd. Are you suffering from personality disorder mixed in with a bit of paranoia?

My true colors? What are my true colors?

I don't want a girl! Is that a bad thing? And, umm, just because you like girls doesn't mean that I have to like girls. And, ya know, I've always been open about not wanting a girl. I'm a thirty five year old male... And anyone that has ever really truly known me, knows that I've never wanted a girl. It doesn't come as a shock to anyone that really knows me... So I'm kind of underwhelmed by the notion that someone could suggest there's this hidden truth emerging. The truth was always there... You just had to open your eyes and see it!

My true colors... I don't like being antagonized and harassed. Again, anyone that has ever known me would have known this. So it's not as though there's this great revelation being brought to light.

My true colors... Some people have accused me of being an attention-seeker... But again, anyone who has ever known me knows that I'm exactly the opposite. I've always been a quiet, reserved, unassuming individual. My true colors? Please!

Paranoia? Someone publicly labelled me an attention-seeker. Do you suppose I may have gotten some attention as a result of that? It's possible, right? Someone wanted to get rid of me. That's not a guess or a figment of my imagination. That's a fact! There's real tangible evidence to support this. Do you suppose this person might have done something to effect that? It's possible, right?

We know a few things, right? We know that there are many mispeceptions about me. We know that these misperceptions originated in large part through slander and defamation. These are things that we know. These are things that we can prove. So we can look at things like allegations of paranoia and flat out dismiss them. There's no obstacle there. I don't even spend much time thinking about how they'll attempt to dismiss my claims as delusions. There's no need for me to think about that at this point in the game.

My true colors? My true colors are black and white. My true colors are checkerboard patterned. My true colors are attached to a stick that flaps and says, "I win!"

 

[warrior_won]

Maybe a sweaty, hairy, stinky man-ass is more yer speed.

Sweaty, hairy, stinky man-ass can't be all that bad... Girls seem to like 'em. Do you have a woman? If not, it could very well be that your man-ass ain't sweaty, hairy, and stinky enough.

Isn't that kind of interesting though? The object of your desire is attracted to sweaty, hairy, stinky man-ass. :lol::lol::lol::lol: Too funny!

 

[warrior_won]

I respect your choice Warrior_Won, and no offense taken, I assure you. I'm just offering a hand of humanity to you - you do indeed sound angry and I'd hate to see you do something that could only cause more problems for yourself,

Like pursue justice? That's typically what the criminal would say to the victim. "Don't go contacting the law or anything stupid like that... We're letting you off with a warning this time... But next time we won't be so nice..." :roll:

No offense, but your words just ring really hollow. I get the impression that you're only looking after your own best interests. Just as that other member of this forum twisted my "Pornographers Association" post into being something like "You want to associate with people who enjoy certain types of porn." Yeah, that's it! Give me break!

or unspeakable grief to a family left trying to understand what pushed some fellow over the edge to take their daughter or wife or sister from them.

That sounds like a criminal concerned with the prospect of vicarious liability.

 

[warrior_won]

WW, my wife and I also wish you a speedy recovery and hope you are feeling much more pleasant yowards the human race tomorrow.

And what is it that I would be recovering from? Years of harassment, slander, surveillance, and infringement of my civil rights?

That recovery is only going to happen through the courts. But happen, I assure, it will!

 

[Hathor]

Hey guys, new here, and this thread caught my attention.
warriorwon, (i know how annoying it is to get advice, 'specially from noobs like me who have no real idea what's going on) but you need to let it go, man.yes you were wronged. but you have to lose faith in humanity, in its entirety, and focus on a negative thing that happened to you? I don't expect you to 'want a girl' whether you mean you are homosexual or asexual, I don't know the history there, I don't really care. I don't even expect you to respect women, but I also think that 'slaughtering some bitch' doesn't make any sense either. as Zan said, how can yuo not respect the love of a family, etc etc. I don't care what you say on here, I'm all for free speech, but don't go on a killing spree just 'cause you have nothing better to do with your life than harp on about some old bullsh!t that some chick did to you.
by the way, hi guys, hate to start off on an aggressive rant but wariorwon I hope you know that I wanted to help, and b!tchy as I may sound, I'm really quite cheerful =)
merry christmas guys!

 

[Hathor]

oh I guess I should have some views on abortion, that WAS the point of this thread...anyway i guess i'm pro-choice and I say 'if you women can possibly destroy that which you have created, which is growing inside you, which is innocent, far more innocent than you, if you can toss aside every instinct that has been engrained into your heart, go ahead, I can't even fathom the desperation and fear that could bring such a choice into your head

 

[warrior_won]

Hey guys, new here, and this thread caught my attention.
warriorwon, (i know how annoying it is to get advice, 'specially from noobs like me who have no real idea what's going on) but you need to let it go, man.yes you were wronged.

I don't have to let it go.

but you have to lose faith in humanity, in its entirety, and focus on a negative thing that happened to you?

Happened? I guess that's the point of contention. You say 'happened', and I say, 'happening'.

I don't expect you to 'want a girl'

Good!

whether you mean you are homosexual or asexual,

What I mean is that I don't want a girl. Why I don't want a girl is, as Kreskin says, no one's damn business.

I don't know the history there, I don't really care.

Then you can't tell me that I'm right or wrong. Nor can you tell me to let it go. If you don't care, then you don't care. But if you don't care, don't give me advice. Advice from someone that doesn't care is like not getting any advice at all. So let's just say that I don't want your advice.

I don't even expect you to respect women,

Good! I won't!

but I also think that 'slaughtering some bitch' doesn't make any sense either.

It does if you put it in context. You seem unable to do so, so I will do so for you.

It means that what I do is the most appropriate option... Given how others under similar circumstances would have reacted. I used an extreme example as an "avoided alternative" to illustrate not only my anger, but also the urgency of the situation.

as Zan said, how can yuo not respect the love of a family, etc etc.

Don't you mean, how can you not respect someone that does not respect you? And the answer is: Very easily! It's most difficult to have compassion and sympathy for those who have violated your very being. And to expect a victim to forgive and forget would make you much more insane than you allege the victim to be. That's all there is to it.

I don't view invaders of my privacy with respect. I cannot respect them as human beings and I cannot find it within myself to recognize that they have any rights whatsoever. That may sound harsh, but given what I have endured, I can't say that I really care what you think of me or my attitude.

I don't care what you say on here, I'm all for free speech,

Good! How do you feel about justice?

but don't go on a killing spree just 'cause you have nothing better to do with your life than harp on about some old bullsh!t that some chick did to you.

Again, I need to stress that this is NOT past tense... This is present tense. It may be the result of a past action on someone's part, but that doesn't detract from the very real fact that what is happening now is very much in the present tense. And needs to be dealt with in the present tense... So that it never happens again.

by the way, hi guys, hate to start off on an aggressive rant

I didn't find that rant to be aggressive at all.

but wariorwon I hope you know that I wanted to help,

Help with what?

and b!tchy as I may sound, I'm really quite cheerful =)

That makes no difference to me whatsoever. I don't know you and I will never know you. Your personality is of little consequence or interest to me. Nothing personal. I'm just being honest!

 

[Hathor]

ok couple of misunderstandings here,
sorry about that, I didn't realise it was past tense,I will be sure to read up more thoroughly next time
and i did not mean that I don't care about the situation, i meant that it does not matter to me what your reasons for your feelings are, I thought that i should get past that and see the bigger picture. sorry I wasn't very clear there, and I jsut wanted to say (however many things you will find to say to decline and disect my words) that I would gladly help if you wanted anything, I can see that you have some issues at the moment (i don't mean 'issues' , i mean just problems in general). I hope you can come to feel better about the situation in time, though I realise that you need justice first. I hope it comes for you. =)
-we are waayyy off topic here, aren't we? anyone care to redirect the conversation back to the pro-choice area?-

 

[warrior_won]

ok couple of misunderstandings here,
sorry about that, I didn't realise it was past tense,I will be sure to read up more thoroughly next time

It's not past tense. It's present tense. As in here and now. It bagan in the past and carried forward to the present. If I continue to do nothing about it, it will continue into the future.

In other words, what is happening won't stop on its own. The onus, unfortunately, is on me to stop it.

I jsut wanted to say (however many things you will find to say to decline and disect my words) that I would gladly help if you wanted anything,

But you don't know me. So I don't see how you could possibly help me... Unless you know something that I don't.

I can see that you have some issues at the moment (i don't mean 'issues' , i mean just problems in general). I hope you can come to feel better about the situation in time, though I realise that you need justice first. I hope it comes for you. =)

Thank you.

-we are waayyy off topic here, aren't we?

I don't think it really matters.

anyone care to redirect the conversation back to the pro-choice area?-

If anyone does, they will...

 

[Outta here]

Like pursue justice? That's typically what the criminal would say to the victim. "Don't go contacting the law or anything stupid like that... We're letting you off with a warning this time... But next time we won't be so nice..." :roll:

No offense, but your words just ring really hollow. I get the impression that you're only looking after your own best interests. Just as that other member of this forum twisted my "Pornographers Association" post into being something like "You want to associate with people who enjoy certain types of porn." Yeah, that's it! Give me break!




That sounds like a criminal concerned with the prospect of vicarious liability.

ok Warrior_Won - I've absolutely no clue what you're trying to say to me here - something to the effect that I'm a criminal and I'm trying to cover my ass???

Look, it's Christmas and I'm surrounded by loving family, our tummies are full with turkey, we're all healthy and more importantly, happy. All is well in our world. All I could ever wish for anyone tonight is the same. I wish it for you too, and I can't imagine why I'd need to feel the need to cover my ass for that.

I'm clearly not the one who's going to be able to convince you that things may get better, but I hope some how you find your way there anyway.

 

[gerryh]

... would you really like to understand?

It isn't so difficult, you just need to open your heart and your mind. Put yourself in the shoes of a pregnant woman - frightened, facing life altering decisions and knowing she is completely unequipped to deal with the responsibilities facing her, and usually alone if abortion is on the table.

If you cannot do that with full desire to understand, you never will - and those words become nothing more than empty platitudes... something I believe you abhor.

Merry Christmas, btw Gerry. ;-)

Sorry, these are things that should have been thought about BEFORE she consented to having sex.

 

[warrior_won]

Sorry, these are things that should have been thought about BEFORE she consented to having sex.

That's what I said. Not in so many words. I may have pussyfooted around the subject in order to avoid confrontation, but still. That's pretty much what I said.

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. And abortion is a pretty sick cure by any stretch of the imagination.

 

[Outta here]

Sorry, these are things that should have been thought about BEFORE she consented to having sex.

Yes. It would be wonderful if life really worked that way all the time wouldn't it Gerry? If we all just thought a bit before we did or said anything, then we'd never have to discuss how frightening or devastating consequences can be, nor have much of anything to grow into or strive for since we'd already be perfect.

Maybe in the next life - til then however, we remain nothing more than human beings acting like... well, human beings... perfect in our imperfection.

Some of the most difficult life lessons are learned from mistakes... all I know is none of us gets through this life without screwing up something along the way... if we're paying attention, we only have to make that mistake once before we learn what serves us better... so before we pluck the sliver from another's eye, we really should tend to the planks protruding from our own eyes, no? Judge not lest.... well, yanno.

 

[gerryh]

Yes. It would be wonderful if life really worked that way all the time wouldn't it Gerry? If we all just thought a bit before we did or said anything, then we'd never have to discuss how frightening or devastating consequences can be, nor have much of anything to grow into or strive for since we'd already be perfect.

Maybe in the next life - til then however, we remain nothing more than human beings acting like... well, human beings... perfect in our imperfection.

Some of the most difficult life lessons are learned from mistakes... all I know is none of us gets through this life without screwing up something along the way... if we're paying attention, we only have to make that mistake once before we learn what serves us better... so before we pluck the sliver from another's eye, we really should tend to the planks protruding from our own eyes, no? Judge not lest.... well, yanno.

The thing is Zan, the "consequence" for this "mistake" is a new life. And what is the consequence to that new life for the irresponsible behaviour of it's mother? Death. Pretty serious consequence for something the child had nothing to do with, wouldn't you say?

I suppose 9 months of "inconvenience" (please note that I did "" that word) is to high a cost for the women. She has no need to go beyond that, there are lots of people looking to adopt.

 

[Outta here]

/sigh.

Gerry, I respect your views on this issue - but I've exhausted my desire to get into the actual debate on abortion several times over here at CC - I just don't have the jam to go there again, so I'll leave you with a thank you for your earnest and no doubt very sincere comments defending what you believe to be the truth.

My truth differs from yours, and my beliefs on this encompass far more shades of grey than I suspect you'd care to hear or acknowledge as equally valid.

... and Karrie, when you read this, I'm sorry I got caught up in the loop of derailing the thread again, so this is my stop - time to get off this train.

 

[Kreskin]

The thing is Zan, the "consequence" for this "mistake" is a new life. And what is the consequence to that new life for the irresponsible behaviour of it's mother? Death. Pretty serious consequence for something the child had nothing to do with, wouldn't you say?

I suppose 9 months of "inconvenience" (please note that I did "" that word) is to high a cost for the women. She has no need to go beyond that, there are lots of people looking to adopt.

The consequence of not having sex is no birth. They both result in the same outcome. What most pro-lifers get hung up on is the need to penalize someone for "irresponsibility". The sanctity of life is never an issue for them when the women was "responsible", i.e. she was raped. Quickly the embryo/fetus has no right to life since the woman was all nice and not willingly having sex. Even evangelicals will discard a fetus created by rape in a heartbeat. But if she did what we're all biologically wired to do then she did something wrong, the embryo has full human rights, and must pay the consequence.

 

[warrior_won]

Yes. It would be wonderful if life really worked that way all the time wouldn't it Gerry? If we all just thought a bit before we did or said anything, then we'd never have to discuss how frightening or devastating consequences can be, nor have much of anything to grow into or strive for since we'd already be perfect.

You know something? If you were to make that argument before a Judge in a reckless driving case, you'd be laughed out of court. Look at the similarities.

A person drives recklessly and takes another's life. But that's okay because nobody's perfect. :roll:

And yes, it's tragic and sad that a life was lost, but what of the rights of the driver of the automobile? Think how scared and lonely that poor driver must feel. Is it fair to imprison that person for 18 years for not being perfect? Open your heart, Zan.

Reckless Driving: I'm Pro-Choice!

Maybe in the next life - til then however, we remain nothing more than human beings acting like... well, human beings... perfect in our imperfection.

You must realize that you're making an awful argument. Terrible!