What is wrong with a two tier health system?

MHz

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pneumonia is cancer?


wow, you should get the nobel prize.
I fuked up,it should be #3 and #8. That blew the whole thing for you did it or does 'Chronic lower respiratory disease' sound like it includes something other than the lungs which is where pneumonia resides??

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4272454/
Pneumonia as the Most Common Lower Respiratory Tract Infection

Entirely preventable but they make it into a killer that takes up 2 of the top 10 spots.


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19455984

Abstract

After 3 weeks or more of treatment, 36 patients who were found to have X-ray signs of pneumonia (pulmonary infiltrative changes, fever, productive cough, weakness) were randomized into two matched groups (a study group and a control one). 77.7 and 55% of control and study group patients changed and continued antibacterial therapy. The study group patients were additionally given intravenous infusions of 400 ml of ozonized sodium chloride solution (pO3) containing 1.6 microg/ml of O3 twice weakly for 21 days. Blood ozonization considerably accelerated the resolution time of X-ray infiltrative changes so that they were undetectable in all study group patients by week 4 while they were only in 61.1% of the control groups. Blood ozonization used in combination with antibiotics permitted caused a sputum negative reaction against Chlamydia and Mycoplasma 2-3 weeks earlier. Infusions of pO3 just after the first ozonization made it possible to eliminate a clinical sign of chronic infection, such as weakness, to accelerate productive cough relief on day 10, and to reduce the number of fever patients. Ozone therapy for protracted pneumonias substantially enhances the efficiency of antibiotic treatment.


https://www.earthclinic.com/remedies/borax.html
 

AMKiller

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pneumonia is cancer?


wow, you should get the nobel prize.





Politicians most certainly DO go on waiting lists.


You live in a dream world.
You believe what politicians tell you? Fool!!!! Politicians most certainly don't wait for healthcare services, they do as they please while you drink their kool-aid.
 

taxslave

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Ya, Muslims are so laid back in the Middle East and Pakistan (sarcasm). I guess that's why they riot when someone draws a cartoon or when someone writes a book criticizing Mohammad and Islam. I guess that's why they have blasphemy laws as well (end sarcasm).


The younger Muslim generation are only getting more radical and easily brainwashed.


He did write that Muslims aren't as ferociously religious in their Muslim countries. If that's the case then why the need for blasphemy laws and religious police?


Tell me again how you never judge people.

If you're correct, then why the need for blasphemy laws and religious police in Muslim countries?


The apologist and resident Muslim will tell you it's not about religion.

I flew out of Dubai, Islamabad and Cairo, I couldn't get in the bathroom because of the long lines of women.
Canada has blasphemy laws.

Nah, you're a Puritan. I'd replace the current bunch (we have 10 Federal holidays in the U.S.) with:

3 Jan - Humiliation Day

2 Feb - Groundhog Day

25 Feb - Pistol Patent Day

29 Feb - Leap Day (every 4 years)

14 April - Ex Spouse Day

16 May - National Sea Monkey Day

1 Jul - International Joke Day

19 Sep - International Talk Like a Pirate Day

12 Oct - Moment of Frustration Day

13 Nov - Sadie Hawkins Day

23 Dec - Festivus

If you have more than 1 ex spouse can you get an extra day off to celebrate?
 

Bar Sinister

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Muslims actually become more religious when they move to the West. In our homelands, where everyone is Muslim, our religion is sort of taken for granted. It is only when we find ourselves as a minority swamped by a majority that have a completely different way of life that we become more conscious of our “Muslim-ness” and this inevitably leads to greater religious observance. Religious observance can never be forced, even in religious states like Saudi Arabia and Iran. Religious observance and religiosity is always purely a voluntary phenomenon.


I am afraid that is not true of the Muslims I have met. Actually it is not true of most immigrant groups that have a strong religious background before coming to Canada. And religion is always enforced in societies where everyone is expected to conform to what are considered religious norms. Some nations like Iran even have religious police to make sure that citizens conform.


Which is why I ain't real fond of "multiculturalism." It's a good idea in theory, but in practice it leads to many folks closing themselves off from different experiences. Seems like we had the right idea in the 60s, 70s, and 80s: you can stick turkey feathers up your ass and mumble your pleas to The Great Gazoo in your home or your church, but the rest of the time you'll fit into the very broad range of general American or Canadian behaviour.

I think you are missing what multiculturalism is, at least so far as I have seen it practiced in Canada. What it amounts to is not giving a damn about what other ethnic groups do as long as they are not doing anything illegal or oppressive. Certainly there are celebrations of multiculturalism such as Heritage Days and Caribana, but generally what it really amounts to is using whatever aspects of multiculturalism you are interested in, like eating at a Vietnamese restaurant or watching soccer. What I have noticed is that no matter where immigrants to Canada come from they all end up playing hockey.

It don't get much more "econo" than the cargo bay of a C-130.


In my experience, Lord Zuul is right. In any area where's there's just one religion, or culture, or political system, or whatever, people are pretty much relaxed about it, generally. They figure a whole bunch of work-arounds. It's when that religion or culture or whatever is in the minority, and the target of suspicion and hate, that folk tend to get real ultra about it.


You are correct about the targeting of harmless cultural practices like clothing. When people feel that they are being oppressed over the way they dress or some other minor cultural difference then they are more likely to resist; sometimes violently.

Canada has blasphemy laws.

If there were then you would be in jail.
 

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Go ahead and show me some instances where ozone is used. You can't because it is a banned subject rather than it doesn't work extremely well.American Cancer Society is starting to use it to combat the side effects of chemo rather than just using ozone and abandoning chemo as it does more harm than good.
I don't recall mentioning Ozone. :)

pneumonia is cancer?


You have to remember we are not dealing with "the brightest candle on the cake" here. :) :)
 

spilledthebeer

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I don't recall mentioning Ozone. :)




You have to remember we are not dealing with "the brightest candle on the cake" here. :) :)

Two tier medicine is just an excuse for greedy LIE-berals to keep spending on themselves while blaming YOU for not having enough money to get care under that two tier LIE-beral rip off that would make smart meters and electrical pricing look CHEAP!

Its amusing how hostile some LIE-berals are to reports from the Toronto Sun newspaper so perhaps they will like this one from the National Post better?

The National Post tells us that a Chief nurse in London health centre was fired for exposing safety maladies at Ontario hospitals, Nurses association says.
National Post picked up this story from London Free Press and I have posted it along with some comments of my own in brackets).

The boss of London’s largest hospital has sacked his chief nurse to stop her from speaking out against changes that put patients across Ontario in harm’s way, the head of a powerful nursing association claims.

Murray Glendining, chief executive of London Health Sciences Centre, tried to buy the silence of his chief nursing officer, Vanessa Burkoski, offering her cash if she would resign quietly, but she refused and was fired, Doris Grinspun, chief executive of the Registered Nurses Association of Ontario (RNAO), said Friday.

“It’s the most disgraceful thing I’ve seen in my 20 years at RNAO,” Grinspun told The Free Press.

Glendining fired Burkoski not for her work at the London hospital, where she received stellar reviews, served as a vice president and looked after safety and quality of care, but because she was serving as president of the RNAO when in May it produced a report that exposed how Ontario hospitals had harmed patients by replacing registered nurses with cheaper and less educated health care workers, Grinspun said. London Ontario nurse: Postmedia NetworkVanessa Burkoski

Glendining isn’t the first Ontario hospital boss to try to muzzle hospitals’ top nurses, Grinspun said. “Patients suffer the consequences because chief nurses are the safety valves,” she said. “We are outraged about this level of intimidation of nurses by CEOs who treat their hospitals like private organizations.”

But the London hospital boss went further by firing a nurse whose leadership in Ontario was almost unrivaled — before coming to London in 2011, Burkoski was the longest-serving provincial chief nursing officer, advising three Ontario health ministers.

(I say all this reminds me of how LIE-berals treat their auditor general Bonnie Lysyk! LIE-berals hired her away from Manitoba Hydro and then, when she pointed out errors and price gouging in OPG, LIE-berals denounced her as incompetent!) To be good at your job in LIE-beral land means PARROTING whatever CRAP govt desires of you-for the good of the PARTY!)

“(Burkoski) is a person of stellar integrity, judgment and experience,” Grinspun said. “(Her firing) is just unconscionable.”

Asked by The Free Press about Grinspun’s concerns, Glendining sent a brief email: “We can confirm that Vanessa Burkoski is no longer an employee at London Health Sciences Centre. LHSC does not comment on any personnel matters.”

But Burkoski spoke to The Free Press about what she says happened — she says she was called into Glendining’s office June 8 to discuss the report produced by RNAO, called Mind the Safety Gap.

When she arrived, she said, she was met by Glendining and his vice-president for human resources, Stephen Coulahan and offered a cash settlement if she would resign. When Burkoski refused, she said the two men asked her to reconsider, then meet with them again Monday.

Two more times, Burkoski said, she refused to resign with a cash settlement. “After three requests for my gracious exit, they asked me if I understood what a termination meant in terms of (my) reputation,” she said.

Glendining fired her, and then on Tuesday, sent to senior hospital leaders a vague email to announce that Burkoski was gone.

“Vanessa Burkoski, Chief Nursing Executive, and Vice President, Professional Scholarly Practice is no longer with London Health Sciences Centre. We thank her for her contributions and wish her the best,” the hospital boss wrote in an email obtained by The Free Press.

The sudden departure and terse note left some wondering if Burkoski had done something untoward or even illegal, Grinspun said.

(That`s a LIE-beral for you-they `lead` us like the Pigs in Animal Farm! Some of us are more equal than others!)

Under Grinspun’s leadership, the RNAO, which is not a union, has played a growing role — she led the successful push to get the province to scrap costly home care bureaucracies, called community care access centres.

(Sounds like LIE-beral sour grapes at a nurse trying to do a good job while embarrassing LIE-berals!)

The Free Press tried to reach Ontario Health Minister Eric Hoskins, but a spokesperson said he was unavailable Friday.

(This story was picked up by City Tv and they tried to get a nurse who worked with Burkowski to speak on camera but her boss canned that on grounds of privacy issues-bureaucrat privacy apparently trumps public health concerns?) Its our money that pays these people and WE are their customers but according to LIE-berals we have NO NEED to know HOW our money is spent , nor on whom! Not only is LIE-beral Big Brother watching, HE is issuing propaganda to cover HIS ass!)
 

MHz

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I don't recall mentioning Ozone. :)




You have to remember we are not dealing with "the brightest candle on the cake" here. :) :)
You didn't I did in my previous post. As usual you are too stupid to be able to reply like the human you pretend to be.

'Perhaps I was referring to the ones who are on meds for a lifetime rather than people who were 'cured of things'. I am quite well informed, the top killers in North America already have known cures, they are withheld from use. Check out the health benefits of ozone and explain to me why not one of them is available through Canada Health?? I'm quite fuking serious.'

I have poor typing skills, sue me bitch.
At least I'm not trying to discredit useful information. If you refuse it and you die before you have to don't expect any tears from me. From somebody who just had somebody die at the age of 28 from pneumonia caused by a fungus I'm quite sure my viewing you two as total fuktards is quite justified and quite accurate.

Not only is LIE-beral Big Brother watching, HE is issuing propaganda to cover HIS ass!)
The world medical industry has one goal, make the Rothschild family immortal. I would think a lab need lots of sick rats before they can be cured. Sitting around waiting for them to get sick is not on the agenda.
 

AMKiller

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Here’s more evidence that the Canadian government is running out of other people’s money to fund our healthcare system. “Choosing wisely Canada” is an initiative to curb blood tests and screening for tests, imaging and mammograms. For mammograms they want women to screen themselves at 50, as if women under 50 don’t get breast cancer. This initiative will kill people that are susceptible to these diseases at a younger age.

Two tier healthcare looks like a better option by the day.
 

spilledthebeer

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Here’s more evidence that the Canadian government is running out of other people’s money to fund our healthcare system. “Choosing wisely Canada” is an initiative to curb blood tests and screening for tests, imaging and mammograms. For mammograms they want women to screen themselves at 50, as if women under 50 don’t get breast cancer. This initiative will kill people that are susceptible to these diseases at a younger age.

Two tier healthcare looks like a better option by the day.

Two tier health is a great excuse for union Hog health care! They will get it all and we get to die! Two tier health care is union Hog greed run to fabulous extremes!

Cdn Liberals and their supporters will continue to be referred to as LIE-berals until such time as they give up TRYING to Re-Write history to suit themselves. Their latest agit-prop bullshit involves telling us it was Mike Harris who ruined Ontari-owe health care-SUCH A LIE-beral thing to say!

Firstly it was NDP premier Bob (BooB) Rae and his mad scheme to make us all rich by borrowing money-just as our current prime minister-the Brainless Boy is doing! Rae ended up forcing civil service union Hogs to take unpaid days off in order to keep us from sliding totally into bankruptcy-and he laid off a pile of medical staff-whole floors of hospitals empty of patients, of nurses, of doctors, of beds-NOTHING but dusty rooms waiting for a change of govt while Ontari-owe debt DOUBLED!

And then Harris took over and became so popular that LIE-beral prime minister Jean Chretien PUNISHED Ontari-owe by GUTTING federal transfer payments. Just imagine the RAGE of LIE-berals that a Conservative premier was proving to be the most popular in Ontari-owe history! So federal payments dropped from fifty seven percent of health care costs to SEVENTEEN PERCENT-a massive gutting of health care funds-due in part to LIE-beral jealousy and in part to federal LIE-berals having hit their own debt wall! And its so much easier to make somebody else control their spending than it is to control your own so LIE-beral Chretien SHIT On Ontari-owe for LIE-beral fun and profit! And LIE-berals want to blame Harris for their actions-and this is why we call them LIE-berals!

And we have some numbers here related to Ontari-owe LIE-beral spending on health care and it’s a damning report on LIE-beral priorities! Sun reporter Christina Blizzard tells us “Wynne's government is bad for your health”! I have reproduced her column here and added some remarks of my own in brackets). Blizzard says:

First posted: Saturday, October 31, 2015 07:28 PM EDT | Updated: Saturday, October 31, 2015 10:06 PM EDT

The millions of dollars in “negotiating fees” the Liberal government paid to the teacher unions highlights the cosy relationship between the two.

Ever since they came to power in 2003, the Liberals have had such a symbiotic relationship with the teacher unions that it has at times appeared unhealthy. Number-crunch a little closer and you’ll find the relationship is actually bad for your health.

As you read these numbers, keep in mind how much money the government sloshed over to the unions to “negotiate,” and how much the teacher unions have ploughed into Liberal election coffers — through direct donations to campaigns and via the so-called Working Families, a coalition that comes together at election time to fund costly ads targeting the leader of the Progressive Conservative Party.

Look at the numbers and it becomes clear the Liberal government is putting the health and lives of Ontarians at stake in order to feed the voracious appetite of the teacher unions.

Why do teacher unions have such political clout? Well, they have the right to strike and they’re willing to exercise it. The Elementary Teachers’ Federation of Ontario (ETFO) especially holds a very large hammer over the heads of parents: If elementary teachers hit the bricks, parents have to stay home from work or find babysitting.

Here’s the scam: Education funding is soaring, but student enrolment is declining. Meanwhile, an aging population is putting pressure on our health-care system.

(I point out that numbers of school age kids are shrinking while numbers of health care seekers are rising! And people are living longer and their health needs are becoming more complex and time consuming to deal with a typical patient requires more time and attention than in the past-and LIE-berals are not taking that into account either!)

Unlike teachers, Doctors and nurses are loathe to take strike action. Most of them will tell you they feel a moral obligation to do their best for their patients.

(Yeah its so much easier to have sympathy for some old folk bleeding on a bed than it is to have sympathy for the snot nosed little kids in your class! And LIE-berals shamelessly exploit this!)

Since their election in 2003, the Liberals have increased the education budget by 240%.

At the same time, they increased the health and long-term care budget by approximately 170%.

(So the service that is used steadily LESS gets the lions share of money while the service that is under huge pressure gets crumbs! And how bad is it in an old folks home? In his first election campaign LIE-beral McGinty stood in front of a bunch of old folks and told them he would make sure they got at least one proper bath per week....instead of whatever slaps with a damp sponge they were currently getting! No wonder things like Shingles are spreading so rapidly among old folks! In my own case I needed an emergency ultra sound and the nearest clinic was outside an old folks home-I got examined and 40 minutes later I was in doctors office with results and both of us were looking at the oozing itchy red rash that was springing up on my leg from the dirty ultra sound table-left there by some sick old person badly in need of that bath that McGinty promised but never delivered on!)

In other words, the education budget has increased by 1.4 times more than the health and long-term care budget.

From 2003-04 to 2012-13, student enrolment declined almost 5%. It’s also worth recalling that Ontario discontinued Grade 13 in 2002/2003. So enrolment should have dropped significantly at that point, but they later brought in full-day kindergarten. Teacher salaries have increased 30% over that period.

Meanwhile, Ontario also graduates more than 4,000 more teachers a year than there are teaching positions available — notwithstanding Dalton’s McGuinty’s efforts to create more teaching jobs by introducing full-day babysitting.

The number of teachers is still rising while the number of nurses and doctors is going down.

Wynne’s government will eliminate 50 medical residency positions over two years, yet 800,000 Ontarians don’t have a family doctor and we’re tied for last in the country when it comes to the number of doctors per capita.

Next time a teacher union tells you the provincial government isn’t adequately funding schools, you have the numbers to prove them wrong.

The province’s accumulated debt, meanwhile, has doubled to around $300 billion. Taxes have soared.

And you wonder why the province is selling off Hydro One? The money won’t go to infrastructure.

It’s a quick-fix life-preserver to save us from drowning in red ink.









 

spilledthebeer

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Two tier is good, the author you are responding to is ridiculous.


There is the future folks! Cdn Hogs are so greedy that they will dismantle the health care system and then for us- and HOG IT for themselves- and then BITCH IN FUTURE if you so much as get a pain killer at their expense!

AND here is an article exposing the hypocrisy of civil service Hogs! The Actwow.ca gang is nothing more than a re-invention of the disgraced Working Family Coalition and the hypocrite FairnessCounts gang- who only wanted “fairness” for themselves- AT OUR EXPENSE! Civil service Hogs and LIE-beral loving special interest groups are engaged in a GROSS conflict of interest! With some comments of my own in brackets):

Working women in Ontario have been left out of the political conversation for way too long. WOW is about working women coming together to change that.
WOW is organizing our communities to speak out on the issues that matter to us most:

Protecting women’s rights, including marriage equality and the right to choose.
Improving women's health and expanding access to women's health care.
Fighting for fair wages, equal pay, universal pharmacare, homecare for our parents and affordable daycare for our children.

(Home care for parents? IT WAS LIE-berals that took home care out of the hands of non profit groups like Victorian Order of Nurses and put it INTO the hands of FOR PROFIT groups! And NOW they are worried about home care? HAHAHA!!)

(And affordable day care for kids? It was LIE-berals who set up the current GROSSLY COSTLY day care system- LIE-berals NEEDED VOTES and so they shoved aside all those non union people who drank the LIE-beral coolaid and CHOSE to believe that Early Childhood Education colleg course would lead to decent jobs and useful employment- and the moment LIE-berals get worried- they shove all the non union SUCKERS under the bus and go with those incredibly greedy civil service Hogs from ETFO! LIE-berals CANNOT get elected without MASSIVE Hog support and so they have created jobs for ETFO- the greedy Elementary Teachers Federation of Ontari-owe- and they have shoved aside all manner of non unionized graduates of Early Childhood Education programs- apparently because their political loyalties and voter preferences are suspect!)

(And LIE-berals are worried about “equal marriage”? Oh there is a policy freighted with LIE-beral CRAP! A while back, I had neighbours who were unhappy in their marriage- she was spendthrift and definitely rather lazy- one kid- no job- with afternoons out at restaurrants and bars with like minded pals and still she was a hard pressed Mom under too much stress. So hubby was sole support and doing fairly well- they owned a little wood frame house and had a car and yet Mom was not satisfied and Mom and Dad got into fights over money.

(And one fine day- hubby came home to find Mom lounging and bitching again and it got ugly with hits and kicks and scratching etc- and she phoned the cops to complain of the assault by hubby- and cops came and got both sides of the story- AND TOOK HER away in handcuffs! Is this the kind of marital equality that LIE-berals disdain-one where wife can attack with impunity and hubby has to take it? Apparently so!)

(LIE-beral no fault divorce law- written with the aid of feminazi man hating radicals from National Action Committee on the Status of Women and orders that a good wife can make her bad hubby pay her to leave- which seems fair- BUT it ALSO ORDERS a good hubby to PAY to be free of a bad wife! This is Not equality! Not that a LIE-beral would admit it!)

Working Ontario Women is an organization that fights to change women’s lives for the better. We create tools that help women organize their communities and rise up together. WOW is led by women who are dedicated to lifting up working women in Ontario, supported by organized labour and women’s activist groups.

(That`s nice- and would those “organized labour groups” happen to be ones like CUPE and OPSEU. ETFO and OSSTF? WHO would bet AGAINST THAT ONE? With LIE-beral pension promises to OSSTF alone totaling about fifty five billion dollars that WE DON’T HAVE! Its just Hogs offering support to LIE-berals in exchange for MORE GRAVY! And it’s a Gross conflict of interest that LIE-berals refuse to admit!)

(One CAN find out more about who actually IS part of Actwow- but ONLY after you submit your full name., address and personal information to them for vetting and inspection! If you do not pass their “smell test” they will tell you NOTHING! Detailed information about Actwow is ONLY for LIE-berals and their friends! They are deeply angry that their Working Family and Fairness counts crap was exposed and scorned by Cdns and they are outraged that their wonderful gravy train is under threat with ALL LIE-beral policies collapsing in disgrace while public rage soars!)

(Actwow feminazis want us to believe that Brown and Conservatives have some sort of hostile to women secret agenda! They want us to believe that Conservatives want to tell women what they may do with their bodies! But it is LIE-berals that are killing our medical system!)

(LIE-berals are ashamed that dead broke Ontari-owe has half the number of doctors per capita than other provinces and they are unhappy that so many people have no family doctor- and their “solution is typical LIE-beral CRAP! They now PAY SOME unscrupulous doctors to be listed as “yours”! You went in once to a walk in clinic for a small issue and now that doctor is LISTED AS YOURS! It does not matter that you may never see that doctor again- the modest monthly fee for being “yours” rolls in regardless of YOUR real medical needs! And if you get sick in future and need a doctor- NO PROBLEM- you just head down to the nearest emergency room because “your” LIE-beral friendly doctor is at home watching tv on weekends and evenings and NOT available to you! LIE-berals ensure we PAY TWICE for medical care! This is a BIG part of the argument at doctors meetings! Is a Conservative objection to this CRAP what LIE-beral Actwow feminazis are whining about?)

(Or perhaps LIE-berals think that a Conservative objection to their “local health networks” is offensive? We know that old folks are living longer and developing multiple problems that require attention from a range of specialists and there is efficiency in concentrating the specialists in larger/fully equipped hospitals with an array of costly and effective equipment- but is it cost effective to close ALL smaller hospitals so people must travel to a big city for a hangnail? And is it necessary to create a HUGE new bureaucracy to tell people that their local hospital is gone? The hospital is gone but the costly bureaucrats REMAIN! Is this something that Brown voted against? And it sounds like he SHOULD HAVE! LIE-berals will NOT tell us!)

(LIE-berals have been caught out telling so very many LIES- and selfishly creating jobs for so very many Hog friends simply so they can cling to power at any price that we can trust NOTHING they tell us any more!) ETS LOOK AT ACTWOW>CA the latest incarnation of Working Family Hog dictators:
 

spilledthebeer

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There is the future folks! Cdn Hogs are so greedy that they will dismantle the health care system and then for us- and HOG IT for themselves- and then BITCH IN FUTURE if you so much as get a pain killer at their expense!

AND here is an article exposing the hypocrisy of civil service Hogs! The Actwow.ca gang is nothing more than a re-invention of the disgraced Working Family Coalition and the hypocrite FairnessCounts gang- who only wanted “fairness” for themselves- AT OUR EXPENSE! Civil service Hogs and LIE-beral loving special interest groups are engaged in a GROSS conflict of interest! With some comments of my own in brackets):

Working women in Ontario have been left out of the political conversation for way too long. WOW is about working women coming together to change that.
WOW is organizing our communities to speak out on the issues that matter to us most:

Protecting women’s rights, including marriage equality and the right to choose.
Improving women's health and expanding access to women's health care.
Fighting for fair wages, equal pay, universal pharmacare, homecare for our parents and affordable daycare for our children.

(Home care for parents? IT WAS LIE-berals that took home care out of the hands of non profit groups like Victorian Order of Nurses and put it INTO the hands of FOR PROFIT groups! And NOW they are worried about home care? HAHAHA!!)

(And affordable day care for kids? It was LIE-berals who set up the current GROSSLY COSTLY day care system- LIE-berals NEEDED VOTES and so they shoved aside all those non union people who drank the LIE-beral coolaid and CHOSE to believe that Early Childhood Education colleg course would lead to decent jobs and useful employment- and the moment LIE-berals get worried- they shove all the non union SUCKERS under the bus and go with those incredibly greedy civil service Hogs from ETFO! LIE-berals CANNOT get elected without MASSIVE Hog support and so they have created jobs for ETFO- the greedy Elementary Teachers Federation of Ontari-owe- and they have shoved aside all manner of non unionized graduates of Early Childhood Education programs- apparently because their political loyalties and voter preferences are suspect!)

(And LIE-berals are worried about “equal marriage”? Oh there is a policy freighted with LIE-beral CRAP! A while back, I had neighbours who were unhappy in their marriage- she was spendthrift and definitely rather lazy- one kid- no job- with afternoons out at restaurrants and bars with like minded pals and still she was a hard pressed Mom under too much stress. So hubby was sole support and doing fairly well- they owned a little wood frame house and had a car and yet Mom was not satisfied and Mom and Dad got into fights over money.

(And one fine day- hubby came home to find Mom lounging and bitching again and it got ugly with hits and kicks and scratching etc- and she phoned the cops to complain of the assault by hubby- and cops came and got both sides of the story- AND TOOK HER away in handcuffs! Is this the kind of marital equality that LIE-berals disdain-one where wife can attack with impunity and hubby has to take it? Apparently so!)

(LIE-beral no fault divorce law- written with the aid of feminazi man hating radicals from National Action Committee on the Status of Women and orders that a good wife can make her bad hubby pay her to leave- which seems fair- BUT it ALSO ORDERS a good hubby to PAY to be free of a bad wife! This is Not equality! Not that a LIE-beral would admit it!)

Working Ontario Women is an organization that fights to change women’s lives for the better. We create tools that help women organize their communities and rise up together. WOW is led by women who are dedicated to lifting up working women in Ontario, supported by organized labour and women’s activist groups.

(That`s nice- and would those “organized labour groups” happen to be ones like CUPE and OPSEU. ETFO and OSSTF? WHO would bet AGAINST THAT ONE? With LIE-beral pension promises to OSSTF alone totaling about fifty five billion dollars that WE DON’T HAVE! Its just Hogs offering support to LIE-berals in exchange for MORE GRAVY! And it’s a Gross conflict of interest that LIE-berals refuse to admit!)

(One CAN find out more about who actually IS part of Actwow- but ONLY after you submit your full name., address and personal information to them for vetting and inspection! If you do not pass their “smell test” they will tell you NOTHING! Detailed information about Actwow is ONLY for LIE-berals and their friends! They are deeply angry that their Working Family and Fairness counts crap was exposed and scorned by Cdns and they are outraged that their wonderful gravy train is under threat with ALL LIE-beral policies collapsing in disgrace while public rage soars!)

(Actwow feminazis want us to believe that Brown and Conservatives have some sort of hostile to women secret agenda! They want us to believe that Conservatives want to tell women what they may do with their bodies! But it is LIE-berals that are killing our medical system!)

(LIE-berals are ashamed that dead broke Ontari-owe has half the number of doctors per capita than other provinces and they are unhappy that so many people have no family doctor- and their “solution is typical LIE-beral CRAP! They now PAY SOME unscrupulous doctors to be listed as “yours”! You went in once to a walk in clinic for a small issue and now that doctor is LISTED AS YOURS! It does not matter that you may never see that doctor again- the modest monthly fee for being “yours” rolls in regardless of YOUR real medical needs! And if you get sick in future and need a doctor- NO PROBLEM- you just head down to the nearest emergency room because “your” LIE-beral friendly doctor is at home watching tv on weekends and evenings and NOT available to you! LIE-berals ensure we PAY TWICE for medical care! This is a BIG part of the argument at doctors meetings! Is a Conservative objection to this CRAP what LIE-beral Actwow feminazis are whining about?)

(Or perhaps LIE-berals think that a Conservative objection to their “local health networks” is offensive? We know that old folks are living longer and developing multiple problems that require attention from a range of specialists and there is efficiency in concentrating the specialists in larger/fully equipped hospitals with an array of costly and effective equipment- but is it cost effective to close ALL smaller hospitals so people must travel to a big city for a hangnail? And is it necessary to create a HUGE new bureaucracy to tell people that their local hospital is gone? The hospital is gone but the costly bureaucrats REMAIN! Is this something that Brown voted against? And it sounds like he SHOULD HAVE! LIE-berals will NOT tell us!)

(LIE-berals have been caught out telling so very many LIES- and selfishly creating jobs for so very many Hog friends simply so they can cling to power at any price that we can trust NOTHING they tell us any more!) ETS LOOK AT ACTWOW>CA the latest incarnation of Working Family Hog dictators:


Here is another thought on two tier health care:

Isn`t it nice that our LIE-beral overlords are spending OUR money on a series of costly commercials telling us what a great job they are doing with our medical system-but they cannot FIX crap like that described below-presented along with some comments of my own in brackets):

First his leg was amputated, then CCAC cut off his therapy.

By Kelly Egan. First posted: Thursday, December 08, 2016 05:21 PM EST | Updated: Thursday, December 08, 2016 05:28 PM EST

Paul Pelletier had part of his leg amputated earlier this year. He's been recuperating with the use of a vaccum pump that keeps the wound dry and clean. It comes from the CCAC, who had a 10-week limit on the use of the pump. They want it back, but his surgeon says he needs it to recuperate or may have to be re-hospitalized or have more of his leg cut off.

OTTAWA - It’s been a tough year for Paul Pelletier, scarred by scalpels, then the system.

The 51-year-old truck mechanic had his right foot — then part of his lower leg — amputated in two stages in March from the effects of diabetes. He returned to hospital in August, and in September had two further operations on the wound, just below his knee.

To help with healing, he was sent home with a special device, called a vacuum-assisted wound closure system. It consists of a special sponge inserted in the wound cavity, then connected to a drainage hose. The whole area is sealed, kept clean and drained by means of negative pressure created by a device worn around the neck.

“It’s a magic thing man,” the Carleton Place resident said Thursday.

To help with wound care, he was visited every second day by a nurse arranged through the Community Care Access Centre, the network of home care providers that serves all of Ontario.

Then came the shock.

Just as the healing was progressing nicely, the CCAC has demanded its “VAC unit” back because there is a 10-week limit. He could keep using it, sure, but it would cost $90 a day, or $2,700 a month, for a man on a monthly disability of $1,100. Otherwise, he was cut off.

“It scares me,” Pelletier said. “I believe it is a big part of the healing of it all. I’d hate to see a setback for another six months.”

Pelletier and his sister tried to reason with the CCAC, even enlisting the support of his Ottawa Hospital surgeon at the 11th hour.

“I feel that discontinuation of the VAC dressing will jeopardize all the hard work gone on to this point to salvage his below knee amputation,” the surgeon wrote in a Nov. 30 email.

“We would like to request an extension of his VAC therapy to avoid the need to readmit him to the hospital for continued appropriate wound care and to reduce the risk that he will be required to be converted to an above knee amputation.”

Some of the words were underlined and in bold type.

(Yeah-its $2700.00 to rent the machine for another month-and HOW MUCH to re-admit the guy to hospital and saw off more of his leg? With the added bonus that IF they save most of his leg he may be able to walk better and return to work-but if they saw most of it off he becomes a permanent ward of the state because he is crippled? Just WHO is running our medical system? Doctors with best patient outcomes in mind? Or LIE-beral friendly union Hogs who want their endless list of entitlements filled- at the expense of patients and the general public?)

The CCAC was unmoved. A care co-ordinator thanked the doctor for his email and reiterated that the unit would be removed Dec. 5. “I understand your concern related to this client and appreciate your follow up. At this time, CCAC is not able to extend the provision of (the unit) past 10 weeks,” the reply continued, “and we kindly ask that you provide updated conventional dressing orders.”

The surgeon replied within minutes, a seven-word answer that could not be mistaken in meaning or directness: “My orders are for continued VAC therapy.”

Still, CCAC didn’t bend.

At the urging of a hospital official, Pelletier appealed to area MPP Randy Hillier, not a step the mechanic is used to taking. “I’ve never called an MP in my life.”

Hillier, who detests over-regulation in government, immediately got on the phone and wrote to Health Minister Eric Hoskins.

(Regulation is one thing-govt MUST have control over operations and finance-but tight ass regulations that DAMAGE a patient that would otherwise recover more fully and faster and at less public cost is brain dead LIE-beral bullshit!)

“Minister, I find this alarming for a number of reasons. First, I find it unorthodox that the CCAC would have the authority to enforce a quota or limitation to services over the wishes of a physician; secondly, that a patient’s well-being and recovery would be hindered and possibly hampered by limitations on access to a comparatively inexpensive piece of medical equipment.”

(Any idiot-except a LIE-beral can see it’s a LOT CHEAPER to loan the guy the machine than to return him to hospital for more surgery!)

Pelletier said he was told there are 23 patients on a waiting list for a VAC unit, which he uses 24 hours a day.

(In other words-LIE-berals are AGAIN spending OUR money on THEIR gravy INSTEAD of on needed medical machinery-AND buying those commercials to BOAST and LIE-beral about it!)

Of the 23, he is sympathetic. But his great worry is that if the wound does not heal properly, he’ll need a further amputation above the knee, affecting his mobility for the rest of his life. His hope is that he can be fitted with a prosthetic in the spring and return to the trucking industry soon after. “I just want to get back to work.”

Pelletier estimates he needs the unit for another three or four weeks. The wound is largely healed but still has a small open section.

It’s been quite a saga. Diagnosed with diabetes at age 31, he lost a couple of toes about five years ago, then endured a long period of hobbling until his foot became too diseased. (Diabetes can lead to nerve damage and restricted circulation, especially in the extremities, and even minor injuries can turn into difficult-to-treat ulcers. Pelletier suspects a foot injury about six years ago triggered his problems.)

Pelletier is meeting with his surgeon Friday. They will deal with his wound, of course. Who fixes this broken system?
 

spilledthebeer

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Two tier health systems work well in France and Germany, so why not in Canada? It would certainly lessen the burden on our current system and reinstate procedures like physiotherapist, eyecare and dental care. Why must we be slaves to government?

Slaves to the govt? HAHAHAHA!!!! Wake up and smell the stench of civil service Hog gravy! We are enslaved by them! They are the ones driving this two tier health care crap so THEY can have more gravy!

Are you really THAT clueless that you do not understand that we WILL NOT GET A European two tier model- we will get the YANKEE VERSION! With ALL the services dedicated to union Hogs and the rest of us laying out on the side walk and begging for Hogs to throw us some left over painkillers!
 

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Two tier is good, the author you are responding to is ridiculous.



On that, we definitely agree.


There are good points to two-tier health care. There are downsides as well. If, say, all the cardiac surgeons will only work for those paying cash, how would that help? There would have to be some guarantees that there were staff for the medicare system.
 

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On that, we definitely agree.


There are good points to two-tier health care. There are downsides as well. If, say, all the cardiac surgeons will only work for those paying cash, how would that help? There would have to be some guarantees that there were staff for the medicare system.


That's probably unlikely as most of the patients are pretty much bound to be on the Gov't system, so those on the private system probably wouldn't be able to supply enough work.
 

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On that, we definitely agree.


There are good points to two-tier health care. There are downsides as well. If, say, all the cardiac surgeons will only work for those paying cash, how would that help? There would have to be some guarantees that there were staff for the medicare system.
Put in quotas for doctors for both self paying patients and government patients.
 

spilledthebeer

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Put in quotas for doctors for both self paying patients and government patients.

Sorry- all the civil service Hog hypocrites advocating two tier medicine CANNOT have their cake and eat it to!

You cannot put ALL govt services into the hands of a powerful cabal of grossly greedy union Hogs- with the support of LIE-berals who never saw a vote they did not want to buy nor an entitlement they did not THINK they deserve- with the result that ordinary people are taxed to death to pay for the gross entitlements of Hogs- and then hand back much of the cost of health care to people who dont have a penny and are often wrestling with the punishing mess of being laid off at age 60- with some crap little pension that is likely to die because it was not funded properly anyway!

Any LIE-beral or Hog that is unhappy with the current polling numbers will shrink in humiliation if LIE-berals start advocating two tier medicine any time soon!

Many older Cdns are already making a choice between heat for homes and filling necessary prescriptions! Two tier medicine will simply worsen that!

But that`s what LIE-berals want! All those who are not LIE-berals can FCUK OFF AND DIE! The sooner the better so no Hog gravy will be wasted on the `parasites`! That way they will not mess up the LIE-beral version of Canada
 

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Sorry- all the civil service Hog hypocrites advocating two tier medicine CANNOT have their cake and eat it to!

You cannot put ALL govt services into the hands of a powerful cabal of grossly greedy union Hogs- with the support of LIE-berals who never saw a vote they did not want to buy nor an entitlement they did not THINK they deserve- with the result that ordinary people are taxed to death to pay for the gross entitlements of Hogs- and then hand back much of the cost of health care to people who dont have a penny and are often wrestling with the punishing mess of being laid off at age 60- with some crap little pension that is likely to die because it was not funded properly anyway!

Any LIE-beral or Hog that is unhappy with the current polling numbers will shrink in humiliation if LIE-berals start advocating two tier medicine any time soon!

Many older Cdns are already making a choice between heat for homes and filling necessary prescriptions! Two tier medicine will simply worsen that!

But that`s what LIE-berals want! All those who are not LIE-berals can FCUK OFF AND DIE! The sooner the better so no Hog gravy will be wasted on the `parasites`! That way they will not mess up the LIE-beral version of Canada
Actually, a two tiered health system will alleviate the stress on the current health system meaning more money and more options for the current system.
 

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