What Is A Woman?

taxslave

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The government and the democratic process. Sometimes the courts.

I don't know if your mommy ever told you this, but you ain't gonna get everything you want in this life.
That depends on how much money you have. Actually, other than more money I have most of what I want in this life. other than trying to make this old world a better place for my grandkids.
 

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That depends on how much money you have. Actually, other than more money I have most of what I want in this life. other than trying to make this old world a better place for my grandkids.

Depending on the person, that 'better place' for the world is backwards in history.
 
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Wrong. General, broad terms with multiple, context-dependent definitions mean EXACTLY what I say they mean and NOTHING ELSE. A man cannot get pregnant, and a woman was not endowed by her Creator with certain inalienable Rights.

Until I feel like whining about a different grievance.


 

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Sometimes what we had is better than what we are likely to get. Like affordable housing and being able to survive on a single income.

That's true.

But then taking the rights from people who have them now - from women to GLBTQ+ - isn't any better.
 

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The "socialists" didn't take that from you. Rather the opposite, I'd say.
Not really. I think everyone involved in government is responsible to some degree. Also the problem is somewhat different in Canada than the US, although there are similarities.
social planning, which is lefty dominated here has put serious restrictions on development. Like not allowing tiny homes on acreages. Or zoning that does not allow for densification. In BC we have a thing called Agricultural Land Reserve, which at first glance looks like a good thing. It was brought in by our first bout of socialism in 1972. Unfortunately the devil is in the details. When they laid it out, it basically done ona map and covered valley floors regardless of soil type. I once owned 10 acres of rock bluff in the ALR it couldn’t develop a quarry because it is ALR land. If you owned a piece of property in 1972 and still own it ( I don’t think inheriting counts) you still have the option of removing it from ALR regardless of food growing ability. Also restricts the number of dwellings to 2, 1 house and 1 modular regardless of size of property. In the Vancouver area there are lots of 5 acre properties on prime farmland with monster houses and no farming.
we also have a landlord remnant act that basically gives landowners no rights. Last year the government decreed that rents could not be raised even though the cost of both taxes and maintenance increased by over 10%. So who wants to build rental units?
 

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Not really. I think everyone involved in government is responsible to some degree. Also the problem is somewhat different in Canada than the US, although there are similarities.
social planning, which is lefty dominated here has put serious restrictions on development. Like not allowing tiny homes on acreages. Or zoning that does not allow for densification. In BC we have a thing called Agricultural Land Reserve, which at first glance looks like a good thing. It was brought in by our first bout of socialism in 1972. Unfortunately the devil is in the details. When they laid it out, it basically done ona map and covered valley floors regardless of soil type. I once owned 10 acres of rock bluff in the ALR it couldn’t develop a quarry because it is ALR land. If you owned a piece of property in 1972 and still own it ( I don’t think inheriting counts) you still have the option of removing it from ALR regardless of food growing ability. Also restricts the number of dwellings to 2, 1 house and 1 modular regardless of size of property. In the Vancouver area there are lots of 5 acre properties on prime farmland with monster houses and no farming.
we also have a landlord remnant act that basically gives landowners no rights. Last year the government decreed that rents could not be raised even though the cost of both taxes and maintenance increased by over 10%. So who wants to build rental units?
Might be different in Canada, but in the U.S., real wages started declining in 1973, and didn't start to recover until the late 90s. Didn't get back to 1973 levels until 2019. Marriage is also at historical lows. And CEO compensation is at all-time highs.

There's all kinds of reasons both partners in a marriage might decide to work, but down here anyhow the main one is that they need to. And wages here aren't set by the government, except for the pathetically low Federal minimum wage and a few local minimums, usually $15/hr. $15/hr for one full-time worker (2080 hours per year) will just barely get a family of four to the poverty threshold.

That's a decision employers made. In other words, not the gol-dang socialists.

The capitalists.
 

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Might be different in Canada, but in the U.S., real wages started declining in 1973, and didn't start to recover until the late 90s. Didn't get back to 1973 levels until 2019. Marriage is also at historical lows. And CEO compensation is at all-time highs.

There's all kinds of reasons both partners in a marriage might decide to work, but down here anyhow the main one is that they need to. And wages here aren't set by the government, except for the pathetically low Federal minimum wage and a few local minimums, usually $15/hr. $15/hr for one full-time worker (2080 hours per year) will just barely get a family of four to the poverty threshold.

That's a decision employers made. In other words, not the gol-dang socialists.

The capitalists.
Most people don’t stay at minimum wage forever .
 
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Might be different in Canada, but in the U.S., real wages started declining in 1973, and didn't start to recover until the late 90s. Didn't get back to 1973 levels until 2019. Marriage is also at historical lows. And CEO compensation is at all-time highs.

There's all kinds of reasons both partners in a marriage might decide to work, but down here anyhow the main one is that they need to. And wages here aren't set by the government, except for the pathetically low Federal minimum wage and a few local minimums, usually $15/hr. $15/hr for one full-time worker (2080 hours per year) will just barely get a family of four to the poverty threshold.

That's a decision employers made. In other words, not the gol-dang socialists.

The capitalists.
So get an education and get a better paying job. Or work more hours. In heavy construction we are about the best paid hourly workers in the country and we work a minimum of 10 hrs a day. The lowest paid labourer will make about $120000/yr. Minimum wage was never designed for a family to live on.
 

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So get an education and get a better paying job. Or work more hours. In heavy construction we are about the best paid hourly workers in the country and we work a minimum of 10 hrs a day. The lowest paid labourer will make about $120000/yr. Minimum wage was never designed for a family to live on.
College or trade school ain't free in the U.S. And most folk think a trend toward shorter working hours is a good thing.

Worker compensation grew 12% (in real dollars) from 1978-2019. CEO compensation grew by 940%
 

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College or trade school ain't free in the U.S. And most folk think a trend toward shorter working hours is a good thing.

Worker compensation grew 12% (in real dollars) from 1978-2019. CEO compensation grew by 940%
Best to be a CEO , sign me up .
 
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taxslave

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College or trade school ain't free in the U.S. And most folk think a trend toward shorter working hours is a good thing.

Worker compensation grew 12% (in real dollars) from 1978-2019. CEO compensation grew by 940%
That is the reason most people will never make CEO. Too lazy.
We get paid to go to trade school. Either EI or training allowance that is about the same amount.
 

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So get an education and get a better paying job. Or work more hours. In heavy construction we are about the best paid hourly workers in the country and we work a minimum of 10 hrs a day. The lowest paid labourer will make about $120000/yr.

You realize people DO get a better education and STILL can't get 'better paying jobs'? Or have you been missing all the reports coming out about this issue?

As for working more hours, there are people who work 2 and 3 jobs just to stay afloat, unless you want to squeeze more hours into the day, or people to, you know, die, working more hours is NOT a thing.

Personal experience: I work 12 hour night shifts, all nights, in a rotation. I am only allowed to do that time because technically I am full time, UNLESS it is an extreme need for someone to work, then I can be called in. So in some circumstances, extra hours just aren't allowed, either.

I have friends in security, they work - because they are so short staffed - sometimes 12 or more days in a row; know what happens at the end of that? They are EXHAUSTED, they get sick. And then they miss work. It's called burnout. I had it, burnout is NOT fun.

So no, "get an education/work more hours" does NOT solve anything.

Minimum wage was never designed for a family to live on.

You're right, it wasn't.

It was designed to be a bare minimum that people would be paid for their work.

Then society changed so that it IS the only income that a family has (single family or mom/dad family) which should logically suggest that the idea of it should have changed.

It hasn't.

Minimum wage is now the excuse the 'affluent' of society have to not do a damned thing to help anyone at all.
 

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You realize people DO get a better education and STILL can't get 'better paying jobs'? Or have you been missing all the reports coming out about this issue?

As for working more hours, there are people who work 2 and 3 jobs just to stay afloat, unless you want to squeeze more hours into the day, or people to, you know, die, working more hours is NOT a thing.

Personal experience: I work 12 hour night shifts, all nights, in a rotation. I am only allowed to do that time because technically I am full time, UNLESS it is an extreme need for someone to work, then I can be called in. So in some circumstances, extra hours just aren't allowed, either.

I have friends in security, they work - because they are so short staffed - sometimes 12 or more days in a row; know what happens at the end of that? They are EXHAUSTED, they get sick. And then they miss work. It's called burnout. I had it, burnout is NOT fun.

So no, "get an education/work more hours" does NOT solve anything.



You're right, it wasn't.

It was designed to be a bare minimum that people would be paid for their work.

Then society changed so that it IS the only income that a family has (single family or mom/dad family) which should logically suggest that the idea of it should have changed.

It hasn't.

Minimum wage is now the excuse the 'affluent' of society have to not do a damned thing to help anyone at all.
Then obviously they chose the wrong education. Getting a degree in French lit isn’t a job getting education.
 

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Then obviously they chose the wrong education. Getting a degree in French lit isn’t a job getting education.

Who said anything about "French Lit" education?

These are people who took training to work in apparently 'demanding employment areas' or whatever you want to call it.

Or have you not read any stories about any of it and just assume the education someone is getting is 'worthless'?