What did we do? Harper Majority!!

[ansutherland]

I argued it, but you can't respond to it, apparently...

When I say argue, I mean to say that one has to present a logically consistent rebuke. To say that "voting is my right" is not a fit argument. We differ on what we think it means to argue.

I suggest that you still have a lot to learn about life and until you do you will come across to many people as unsympathetic and arrogant. :smile:

I'm ok with that. Though I have a lot still to learn, I fear it's nothing compared to the average voter.

 

[Tonington]

When I say argue, I mean to say that one has to present a logically consistent rebuke. To say that "voting is my right" is not a fit argument. We differ on what we think it means to argue.

So, you are either willfully ignorant about what I wrote or innately unobservant. I'll repost my response to your argument.

That's just sour grapes. I didn't vote for Team Harper either, but I'm not foolish enough to think that my circumstances fit the entire nation...tax splitting, lower taxes, stronger military, these are all things I approve of, though I would quibble about specifics. I would vote for Harper if he wasn't also interested in addressing crime after the fact (mandatory minimums, more prisons, etc), if he were less controlling of government scientists, if he actually had plans on improving Canadian productivity (reliance on resource based economy will not improve productivity). For instance.

But for many people, Harper's platform is what they are looking for.

Is it willful, or innate ignorance on your part that you fail to see that we're not all cut from the same cloth?

Is it any wonder our politicians can be so nasty when we as citizens are no better? Or rather some of us...

You need to open your eyes, and begin to empathize with other Canadians before you start calling them ignoramuses.

/rant

 

[CDNBear]

Make fun of my rant, but you can't argue with it. If you could mount a legitimate attack of it, you would. I am not saying my argument is infallible, rather you lack to the tools to expose any error.....or so it would seem.

Actually, you're right, I do lack something, patience. I have none for sour grapes asshats, that call the electorate ignorant, because his ideology got bruised.

It isn't so much I can't argue your asinine rant into shreds, it's more of I just see it as a waste of time. You have already clearly exhibited all the failings and trappings of a locked in a mindset ideologue.

Besides being an effort in futility, arguing with you, would be tantamount to discussing welding theory with a Red Heeler. Pointless.

But please, don't let me stop you from continuing with your emotional outpouring and shining exemplar of inflated self importance. It's entertaining.

 

[JLM]

Is that an assumption or is it based on sound statistics?

 

[CDNBear]

Is that an assumption or is it based on sound statistics?

It's an assumption, based on his/her delusions of self importance, and grandeur.

Pay close attention, you'll note several similarities with other ideologues, that permeate this site.

 

[Goober]

You're hopping up on a soapbox telling me to keep quiet without addressing the content of my argument. I'll address any retorts to my position, but simply telling me to shut up or calling me a douche proves more my point than yours.

Well i am waiting for your Retort shall we say.

Please familiarize yourself with my signature block. I am sure that you do not have a horses head.

 

[JLM]

It's an assumption, based on his/her delusions of self importance, and grandeur.

Pay close attention, you'll note several similarities with other ideologues, that permeate this site.

That's my take, Bear, but being a diplomatic type of guy I am :smile: I like to pose a question and draw the answer out of the subject, as it makes them feel better than my ramming the truth down their throat. :lol:

 

[Risus]

Well, the Conservatives have done it!!! Now the government can move forward. Of course the liberals will be spouting sour grapes, but they got what they deserve, Iggy certainly did, and now he can go back to his 'home' in yankeeland. Lets see if Layton can prove himself. I doubt it, with all the amateurs he has. All in all, a great day for Canada!

 

[JLM]

Well, the Conservatives have done it!!! Now the government can move forward. Of course the liberals will be spouting sour grapes, but they got what they deserve, Iggy certainly did, and now he can go back to his 'home' in yankeeland. Lets see if Layton can prove himself. I doubt it, with all the amateurs he has. All in all, a great day for Canada!

If nothing else the Bloc(kheads) are gone.

 

[CDNBear]

That's my take, Bear, but being a diplomatic type of guy I am :smile: I like to pose a question and draw the answer out of the subject, as it makes them feel better than my ramming the truth down their throat. :lol:

I do "ram" better. I haven't the patience to beat around the bush with some unruly children.

 

[Tonington]

I doubt it, with all the amateurs he has.

Many would argue it's better than having a caucus full of career liars, err I mean politicians :lol:

 

[JLM]

Many would argue it's better than having a caucus full of career liars, err I mean politicians :lol:

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Don't those come as a matter of course? :lol:

 

[ansutherland]

So, you are either willfully ignorant about what I wrote or innately unobservant. I'll repost my response to your argument.

Just because his platform is what people are looking for says nothing for the truth within it. Many people are wanting many things, why should we abandon truth is pursuit of simple desire?

If everyone wanted to retire at 40 and the government promised that then should be assume it to be a good idea? No. Truth matters; simple desires come second. What people want needs to be measured against what is possible.

As far as the politicians being nasty, do we give them any other choice? If they don't lie and smear, they don't get elected. That's largely the voters vault. Milton Freidman said something to the effect that "a good system should provide a strong incentive for the wrong people (politicians) to do the right thing" Our system does not provide such incentive.

As long as people do not have the basic knowledge, they are too easily fooled by politicians, or as is more often the case, have fooled themselves and the politicians just play to that.

 

[ironsides]

When I say argue, I mean to say that one has to present a logically consistent rebuke. To say that "voting is my right" is not a fit argument. We differ on what we think it means to argue.


I'm ok with that. Though I have a lot still to learn, I fear it's nothing compared to the average voter.

What you seem to be ignoring is that you are just an average voter in the scheme of things in your country. There is to much elitism oozing from your post. From the poorest to the richest citizen, they all deserve a chance to vote. Issues like global warming just may not be that important to someone who just wants to be able to feed their families. Everyone does not have to agree with everything you think, if they did there would not be any need for a democratic country would there?




"Just because his platform is what people are looking for says nothing for the truth within it. Many people are wanting many things, why should we abandon truth is pursuit of simple desire?"


You answered you own question. "Just because his platform is what people are looking for"

 

[Tonington]

Just because his platform is what people are looking for says nothing for the truth within it. Many people are wanting many things, why should we abandon truth is pursuit of simple desire?

If everyone wanted to retire at 40 and the government promised that then should be assume it to be a good idea? No. Truth matters; simple desires come second. What people want needs to be measured against what is possible.

As far as the politicians being nasty, do we give them any other choice? If they don't lie and smear, they don't get elected. That's largely the voters vault. Milton Freidman said something to the effect that "a good system should provide a strong incentive for the wrong people (politicians) to do the right thing" Our system does not provide such incentive.

As long as people do not have the basic knowledge, they are too easily fooled by politicians, or as is more often the case, have fooled themselves and the politicians just play to that.

So, on the one hand you chastise Canadians for how they voted, on the other you show some pragmatism in recognizing that they-politicians- will lie and smear.

You're saying a whole lot without saying anything substantive...

 

[JLM]

So, on the one hand you chastise Canadians for how they voted, on the other you show some pragmatism in recognizing that they-politicians- will lie and smear.

You're saying a whole lot without saying anything substantive...

Some people like to talk more than listen! :smile:

 

[CDNBear]

So, on the one hand you chastise Canadians for how they voted, on the other you show some pragmatism in recognizing that they-politicians- will lie and smear.

You're saying a whole lot without saying anything substantive...

You're surprised?

 

[Colpy]

When wilfull voter ignorance is as high as it is, is it any surprise we got this outcome? To be totally honest, none of the parties present the right mix, though at least the Libs are centre. The right mix is a mix grounded on truth, and the majority of voters don't know what that is. Until there is a more stringent requirement to be allowed a vote, voter ignorance will continue to yield undesirable results.

That's lovely.

Here's the truth for you;

All the major political parties in Canada are scrunched together in the centre of the political spectrum.....

Canada is, and has always been, essentially a (small c) conservative nation.

The left in Canada is very much rooted in Quebec, and has been for the last 40 years. The Liberals understood this and dominated Canadian politics by picking Liberal leaders from Quebec, campaigning on the left, attracting massive support from Quebec, and then ruling from a pro-business, slightly right wing agenda.

The way the vote split last night is a much more realistic representation of the Canadian reality. A centre left party, rooted solidly in Quebec, left as the opposition to a centre right party that swept the rest of the country.

If you are old enough, and a Canadian citizen, you get to vote......as it should be. Who the hell do you think you are to dictate that some portion of the society that disagrees with your distorted view of the nation should not be allowed the vote?

If your basing the vote on a minimum IQ or knowledge of Canadian political culture, guess what?

You're disenfranchised.

 

[Tonington]

You're surprised?

Not surprised or expected. Just sayin', so the saying goes.

 

[damngrumpy]

The reason we are so surprised and some upset is the fact that democracy had its say.
People went to the polls and voted their choice. At the end of the day voters chose to go
with Harper and so be it. The NDP is now the official opposition because the concerns
of many tuned into what Jack Layton was saying. In southern Ontario the vote split and
the Liberals were the stumbling block not the NDP. Had the percentage of Liberals
voted for Jack and I mean 5% or a little more the outcome would have been different, so
Be it. By sticking with Ignatieff they lost the seat for the Liberals and elected their worst
nightmare. That is democracy.
I don't shudder at a Harper Majority, he has to govern but now he hast to listen and the
reason I say that is, Harper won all those seats with 39% and some split vote riding's in
Ontario. The NDP had 30% and a chance to win more in the future. Face it for some
time to come the Liberals are dead and I mean dead. What is on the horizon? The
right wing of the Liberal Party may in fact defect to the Conservatives, and the left and or
the center left will begin to look to the NDP as their new home.
The fact is Mr Harper, and Mr Layton, may not agree on much but together they might just
find a way to make some things work, and the first new avenue might be to promote a
little respect for the system and the political view of the country. We all assume that things
will not go at all well and its to soon to speculate on that. Jack Layton will make a very
different opposition leader than the wimpy Liberal machine, that didn't have any teeth to
bear.
Remember both leaders have to be careful as these go rounds will be a rehearsal for the
next election down the road. There are regional problems for both, there are local issues
and a national opinion of both parties to develop. Perhaps two perceptions will be
dispelled. One that the liberal fear mongering was bogus and the unfounded fears about
the NDP will be realized. We have some exciting times ahead