What Are the Consequences of Obama Failing?

Extrafire

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Extrafire, I decided look into the cancer survival rate claim by you, and you couldn’t be more wrong. Canada has one of the highest cancer survival rates in the world.




Cancer Survival rate for Canada – 82.5 %

Cancer Survival rate for Germany – 58.8 % female, 50% male.

Two things:

1. I didn't make any cancer survival rate claim.

2. The figures for Germany really surprise me, considering how the WHO rates them so highly, and considering what I read about their system. I'm skeptical, but I won't challenge you on it because I don't want to take the time to do the research and also it's off topic for this thread.
 

Extrafire

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Obama failing? Not likely:

Factory orders are up:

Factory Orders Increase 0.4%; Ex-Transport Rises 2.3% (Update1) - Bloomberg.com


Deficit is down, and housing purchases have risen for three months in a row.

Cash for clunkers is working:

Cash-for-clunkers leaves car lots looking markedly empty - USATODAY.com


Yes, looks like improvement in the Bush created mess is on its way!

;)

I head a report last week that showed a number of factors still moving down. Sorry I can't find it now, because it would be interesting to compare.

But in any case, earlier on this thread I quoted an economist who predicted this uptick, calling it the bailout bubble and predicting a much larger crash when it bursts. Only time will tell if Obama was able to avert the impending disaster of the Carter/Clinton mess or instead, created the worst crash in the history of the world.:p

Oh, and PS, nice to be back on topic, Gopher!:lol:
 

Extrafire

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Considering the crash was done by design it will stay crashed by design until everyone forfeits their assets levelling the playing field internationally. There is far more money to be made redistributing wealth to developing countries than flogging the dead horse known as America.


Uhhh-yuh. What colour is the sky in your world?
 

EagleSmack

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"They don't want to be heard"- Ok Joey...you know better than all I see,

Sure they don’t want to be heard, EagleSmack. When they don’t ask the question in a manner that the speaker can hear it (so he could respond), when all they do is yell, shout, drown out the speaker (and feel that they have achieved a great victory when they are finally able to shut the meeting down), it is clear at least to me, that they don’t want to be heard, they just want to trash the meeting, shut it down.

Wrong. They are asking questions and not just sitting back and swallowing whatever the Democrats are saying. The Democrats are trying in vain to silence the opposition to this plan and it isn't working.

Hmmm...I wonder where they got that idea?
Doesn’t matter where they got the idea, that makes them hate mongers.

Just another liberal distraction because their plan is failing.

Pathetic attempt to spin though
You mean on your part. I agree.

Another failed attempt to spin on your part.

Here was one question... Carnahan just ignored it. Typical.
"If the plan is so good why doesn't the congress have to be on it?"

Again, that does not give the hate mongers the right to shut the meeting down. It is the same wife beating argument. The wife beater always claims provocation. What you are saying here is that the hate mongers were provoked into trashing the meeting. In my opinion, nothing justifies this kind of behaviour.

Hate mongers. Don't make me laugh. If you are against Socialized Medicine that makes you a hate monger.

People aren't buying into that any longer. The liberals have run that horse too many times.

Maybe they will start then? Will people have to email them the night before the meeting like Obama demands?
That certainly would be on alternative worth considering. The hate mongers know how to use E Mail, I assume.

That way the Democrats could avoid tough questions with the excuse that they had too many other questions.

Of course the government is paying for it...it is a town hall meeting.
Government is paying for it? I find that hard to believe, my understanding is that the politician pays for it himself (well, perhaps not from his own pocket, but he raises the money for it). Do you have a link where it says that government pays for it?

This once again shows that you know very little about town meetings. It is not a new phenomenom here in the US. Town Meetings are generally held once a month. Nobody pays to get in them and they are open to the public.

In USA government pays for very little, I would be surprised indeed if government paid for the Town Hall meetings. Anyway do you have a link for it?

Run your own fool's errand silly man. I don't have a link that says they sell groceries at a grocery store either. They still sell groceries there though.

If government paid for it, then you are right, everybody has the right to be there. But my understanding is that the politician pays for it. Why would the government pay for it? That doesn’t make sense. Anyway show me a link where it says that government pays for it.

The government DOES pay for it. A town meeting is open to the public. It always has been. I assure you the politician doesn't take money out of his pocket. At any rate...who pays the politician? The people that is who.

What part of this aren't you getting?
 

ironsides

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Town halls gone wild

"Screaming constituents, protesters dragged out by the cops, congressmen fearful for their safety — welcome to the new town-hall-style meeting, the once-staid forum that is rapidly turning into a house of horrors for members of Congress."




What they don't seem to understand is that the people are tired (yes it only took 6 month) of what the Democrats are doing in Washington. The Democrats seem to think that the people are ignorant of the problems facing us, we are not.

Until the politicians stop talking down to us like we are children this type of conduct will continue to happen.

Town halls gone wild
 

darkbeaver

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Town halls gone wild

"Screaming constituents, protesters dragged out by the cops, congressmen fearful for their safety — welcome to the new town-hall-style meeting, the once-staid forum that is rapidly turning into a house of horrors for members of Congress."




What they don't seem to understand is that the people are tired (yes it only took 6 month) of what the Democrats are doing in Washington. The Democrats seem to think that the people are ignorant of the problems facing us, we are not.

Until the politicians stop talking down to us like we are children this type of conduct will continue to happen.

Town halls gone wild

It's not only the democrats that think you're ignorant of what's what. It's all of your mass media and all of the transnationals that work the herd you belong in and the rest of the cognizant planet. And before you accuse me of picking on Yankees us Canadians are behind you one-hundred and fifty-two point seven percent. Yes we are/can?
 

SirJosephPorter

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He went against US? Huh? Or do you mean UN? In which case, since when does any sovereign government have to gain the approval of other governments before going to war? Any nation that gets international or UN approval for its actions is not soveriegn. No matter who is in power, Republicans or Democrats, Bush or Obama, the decision for America to go to war is Americas and Americas alone. The same follows for every other country. The day that the UN rules the world will be a disaster for humanity.

Sure US has the right to go it alone, Extrafire. But the consequence is usually the disaster we saw in Iraq. In recent memory, most of the military operations have been joint operations.

The only time leaders went on their own was when Saddam invaded Iraq, when Serbia invaded Kosovo etc. Bush, by going alone, joined the likes of Saddam and Milasovic. It was an unmitigated disaster in all the three cases.

Any nation has the right to invade another nation. But then the invader must face the consequences, such as international condemnation, fierce opposition at home (his party getting wiped out in two elections in a row) etc.
 

SirJosephPorter

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Two things:

1. I didn't make any cancer survival rate claim.

2. The figures for Germany really surprise me, considering how the WHO rates them so highly, and considering what I read about their system. I'm skeptical, but I won't challenge you on it because I don't want to take the time to do the research and also it's off topic for this thread.

The figures are indeed surprising, Extrafire. USA has the highest cancer survival rate, around 90%, Canada around 80%, Europe around 60%.

German system may be rated highly by WHO, but that doesn’t mean it cannot be deficient in some aspects. It may be that German system does not do a good job when it comes to cancer treatment, while overall it may be very good.
 

L Gilbert

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The figures are indeed surprising, Extrafire. USA has the highest cancer survival rate, around 90%, Canada around 80%, Europe around 60%.

German system may be rated highly by WHO, but that doesn’t mean it cannot be deficient in some aspects. It may be that German system does not do a good job when it comes to cancer treatment, while overall it may be very good.
Same is said for Canada's or the US' system. Holes in the systems abound.