What Are the Consequences of Obama Failing?

[SirJosephPorter]

SirJosephPorter - I know the mind can be a terrible thing, but there was far more Bush trashing and cursing by the frustrated Democrats during his 8 year tenure. This only the beginning of the Democratic reign and I'm sure we have not seen the last of the yelling, but there was very little cursing, at least from what we have heard.

There is some of that against every president, TenPenny. That is to be expected. However, I don’t think there has ever been any attempt to systematically destroy the institution of Town Hall meeting. This clearly is an orchestrated attempt to shut down the Town Halls, to shout down anybody who has the contrary view.

That is a despicable attempt, in my opinion.

Anyway, gotta to, I have been invited to a b’bq. I never turn down free food.

 

[petros]

Any reasonable person (of whatever persuasion) would hope that Obama would succeed and we will have a recovery next years, and not Obama fails and the economic meltdown continues for eight or more years.

Considering the crash was done by design it will stay crashed by design until everyone forfeits their assets levelling the playing field internationally. There is far more money to be made redistributing wealth to developing countries than flogging the dead horse known as America.

 

[ironsides]

This example shows how real life works! Cheers. KS

An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before,
but had once failed an entire class..
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That class had insisted that Obama's socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer.

The professor then said, "OK,
we will have an experiment in this class on Obama's plan".

All grades would be averaged and everyone would receive the same grade so no one would fail and no one would receive an A.

After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B.
The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy.

As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too so they studied little.
The second test average was a D!
No one was happy.

When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F.

The scores never increased as bickering,
blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else.

All failed, to their great surprise, and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed.

Could not be any simpler than that.
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[JLM]

This example shows how real life works! Cheers. KS

An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before,
but had once failed an entire class..
--------------------------------------------
That class had insisted that Obama's socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer.

The professor then said, "OK,
we will have an experiment in this class on Obama's plan".

All grades would be averaged and everyone would receive the same grade so no one would fail and no one would receive an A.

After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B.
The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy.

As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too so they studied little.
The second test average was a D!
No one was happy.

When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F.

The scores never increased as bickering,
blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else.

All failed, to their great surprise, and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed.

Could not be any simpler than that.
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There was one smart professor.

 

[Trex]

Well I see that our Premiers meetings have wrapped up.
The number one issue of Canada's Premiers?
The American "Buy American" regulations and bills that have been passed by the Obama administration.
These federal regulations insure that no product containing any non Made in the USA materials can be used in any American project receiving any Federal stimulus funding.
Canada as an exporter of raw materials and Americas biggest trading partner of course gets nailed right between the eyes by these regulations.
I have argued before that Canadians were foolish to put all their business eggs in an American basket.
The reality is that Americans as primary trading partners are neither particularly ethical nor honest.
But here we are.

So what do we do?
This "Buy American" set of bills is almost certainly going to hurt the Americans more than we Canadians however it has already cost Canadian businesses 10's if not 100's of billions of dollars in lost markets.
And the main reason it is killing American businesses and construction projects is that just trying to identify if every single solitary component or piece of material contains a single small "Made in Canada" item is incredibly costly, if not impossible.
And things that are now happening like ripping out whole completed sections of American sewage pipelines just because a few Canadian components were possibly included is incredibly expensive.
The Premiers of Canada have given the Obama administration something like 3 months to repeal these bills.
Canadian Premiers pledge to insure full access to all Provincial and Municipal markets and projects in Canada in return.
Assuming the Obama administration fails to repeal the bills then a full blown trade war is quite probably on.
The EU and the Chinese are now preparing countervailing retaliatory trade bills to prevent Made in America products from being purchased in their home markets in response to these bills.
The Washington Post, The New York Times, The Wall Street journal have all publicly opposed these bills.
The American National Association of Manufacturers and The US Chamber of Commerce publicly oppose these bills.
A sustained trade war hurts all nations and that goes without saying.
The biggest cause of the long duration of Great Depression was world wide protectionism and sustained trade wars.

So what's happening now?

Even more anti Canadian trade bills are being crafted south of the line is what's happening.
Obama has made several speeches stating that trade protectionism would almost certainly involve the current recession become a sustained depression.
But its the same old story with Obama; watch what he does and not what he says.
And he is doing absolutely nothing to prevent his party and his administration from starting international trade wars.
The Buy American bills actually are small change compared to the new TRADE 2009 and Trade Reform bills presently being crafted.
These bills will intentionally probably destroy all trade relations with Canada and quite likely all Americas trading partners.
NAFTA and free trade will be out the window.

So I for one am hoping Obama does fail.
And its not what he says that I have any problems with.
It's what he does, or allows to happen or encourages behind the scenes to happen.

Trex

 

[petros]

These bills will intentionally probably destroy all trade relations with Canada and quite likely all Americas trading partners.

Does that mean we won't get any of the US's three main exports to Canada? Canadians will be devistated without porn, oranges and ammo.

 

[darkbeaver]

"A sustained trade war hurts all nations and that goes without saying.
The biggest cause of the long duration of Great Depression was world wide protectionism and sustained trade wars."

No it dosen't hurt all nations. Most of modern history has been publicly sustained and subsidized trade war. Those states who have in the past two hundred years sustained war with economic military colonial governance of various models have done very well indeed. War by other means is war.

 

[darkbeaver]

Considering the crash was done by design it will stay crashed by design until everyone forfeits their assets levelling the playing field internationally. There is far more money to be made redistributing wealth to developing countries than flogging the dead horse known as America.

Hi Ho silver.

 

[darkbeaver]

Does that mean we won't get any of the US's three main exports to Canada? Canadians will be devistated without porn, oranges and ammo.

What about the millions of hours of American entertainment? Who will preserve this priceless cultural treasure? Is it fair to deprive the world of such artistic excellence? And finally Country Music, how will the global hoedown proceed without it?

 

[petros]

What about the millions of hours of American entertainment? Who will preserve this priceless cultural treasure? Is it fair to deprive the world of such artistic excellence? And finally Country Music, how will the global hoedown proceed without it?

That is if you find low bred bumpkins and crack carrying members of the Wutang Clan entertaining.

 

[darkbeaver]

That is if you find low bred bumpkins and crack carrying members of the Wutang Clan entertaining.

Isn't entertainment sometimes found at the end of a plank or rope?:lol:

 

[darkbeaver]

What Are the Consequences of Obama Failing?



This inquiry has gone on long enough without any definition of what constitutes failure or success. I believe that Obama is a brilliantly successfull failure. Who knows what his orders are?

 

[petros]

Isn't entertainment sometimes found at the end of a plank or rope?:lol:

The circus is a Russian thing.

It won't be long before executions become a half time show. It would be a great way for the NFL to sudsidize stadium maintenance and I'm sure the ad time would be near superbowl scale over the 20 minute break for ailing networks.

I'd buy every product advertised to see someone stuff John Madden's light pen up his ass.

 

[petros]

 

[darkbeaver]

wouldn't and shouldn't the Roman circus replace the NFL panzies all together, I think people are tired of the fake combat of pro sports and would relish honest hardworking thrill deliverin gladiatorial games. Bankers first followed by priests followed by country music stars.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Does that mean we won't get any of the US's three main exports to Canada? Canadians will be devistated without porn, oranges and ammo.

Petros, I could do without oranges and ammo. But no porn? Perish the thought.

 

[darkbeaver]

The biggest part of todays political discourse is pornographic.

 

[gopher]

libs hate free speech?

then why are all the town hall meetings being disrupted by the far right???

 

[Extrafire]

I have no wish to rehash the subject either, it is in the past though I obviously disagree with you (I do think that Bush based it upon a lie, or at least on faulty intelligence, and he was intransigent, obstinate in doing so, he went against US). Let us just hope that it all works out for the Iraqi people.

He went against US? Huh? Or do you mean UN? In which case, since when does any sovereign government have to gain the approval of other governments before going to war? Any nation that gets international or UN approval for its actions is not soveriegn. No matter who is in power, Republicans or Democrats, Bush or Obama, the decision for America to go to war is Americas and Americas alone. The same follows for every other country. The day that the UN rules the world will be a disaster for humanity.

 

[Extrafire]

It works fine even for major medical attention most of the time, Extrafire.

It works quite well most of the time, no question about that. But there are deficiencies that result in unnecessary suffering and occasionally, deaths.

And there are thousands of cases? Again, do you have the statistics?

Nope, and I'm not going to bother looking for them. If you've paid any attention to the ongoing debate over health care in this country, you know that there are thousands of such cases.

I am fortunate in that I have never needed any major medical treatment. If I need antibiotics for throat infection or similar,

Now I'm curious. What kind of throat infection are you prone to? That sounds rather unusual to me.

I think reconstructive surgery is usually covered by health plans, I don’t know about your particular case.

It's not that I wasn't covered. It was an industrial accident, so I was covered by Workers Compensation, which doesn't have to wait, but can jump to the head of the line or utilize private surgery clinics. Coverage wasn't the problem, the system was. Once the emerge doctor saw the xray of my head she realized that plastic surgery was required, (and emergency PS isn't available here) so she immediately phoned Vancouver General (who have a PS on duty) to inquire if she should medivac me to Vancouver for immediate treatement. The PS said no, but I should see a local PS to start the proceedure and head down to Vancouver within a few days for surgery. Which took me out of emerge and into the standard medical system, and by the time I got to see the PS the bones had grown together and it would have been a matter of re-breaking them. I said no thanks, I'll live with my new face.

I don’t see anything wrong in principle in private sector involvement in medicine. The question is how it is done and to what extent. Anyway, it doesn’t seem to be a burning issue at the moment.

Wow! You really haven't been paying attention to the health care debate in Canada. It's been a burning issue for quite some time, particularly when Jean Cretien was PM. Any suggestion that we should allow a parallel private system to operate in Canada was met with his declarations that we don't want an American system here (no-one ever said we did) and we had "da best healt' care system in da world". And then when he needed treatment himself he went to a private clinic in the US, paid for by the taxpayer. Talk about hypocrite!

Again, do you have the statistics to compare German, or European system with Canadian system, how do they compare in the outcome?

No. The reason I refer to them is while all the big kafuffle with Cretien and our system was ongoing, I read a rather lengthy article that described how 3 European health systems worked, Germany, France and (I believe) Sweden. It made the Canadian shortcomings glaringly obvious.

Sure it is only one factor. But my point is that a country cannot have a lousy health care system and be No. 7 in the world in terms of life expectancy.

And my point has never been that we have a lousy health care system. Only that there are deficiencies, that those deficiencies are not corrected because of political posturing, and while the US needs to reform its health care, they should not copy ours