What Are the Consequences of Obama Failing?
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Of course they are. The only thing that is preventing us all from having the consensus that Joey's an a$$, is Joey. lol
lol
I posted 3 links to outfits all with someone different from each that think their choices are the "de facto" leaders of the Reps.
Indeed, it will, TreeGirl. He will be gone in four or eight years (right now it is looking like eight years, but who knows?).
For that matter, eventually we will be gone (I perhaps earlier than you). Time swallows everything; it is the ultimate in monsters.
For that matter, eventually we will be gone (I perhaps earlier than you). Time swallows everything; it is the ultimate in monsters.
The sun'll come out
Tomorrow
Bet your bottom dollar
That tomorrow
There'll be sun!
Just thinkin' about
Tomorrow
Clears away the cobwebs,
And the sorrow
'Til there's none!
When I'm stuck a day
That's gray,
And lonely,
I just stick out my chin
And Grin,
And Say,
Oh!
The sun'll come out
Tomorrow
So ya gotta hang on
'Til tomorrow
Come what may
Tomorrow! Tomorrow!
I love ya Tomorrow!
You're always
A day
A way!
I find it rather ironic that politics is one of the main topics to be discussed and yet one of the few topics, where the vast majority of the premises are based more on emotions than solid common sense. I'll even admit to being slightly biased when it comes to politics, but only to the point of admitting that some politicians are slightly less corrupt than others.
You are right, JLM, but that is what makes politics such an interesting topic for discussion. We come with our different biases, liberal, conservative etc., there is no way anybody can prove anybody else wrong, and nobody changes there opinion at the end of the day. We live to discuss the same thing on another day.
Post a thread based upon common sense (e.g. should we eat lot of fatty foods, or should we drive through red light) and how many responses would you get? Probably they could be counted on your fingers (of one hand).
Crock of cowcookies. I have proven many times people were wrong about aPAULing Martin, Bullroney, etc.
wrong. Some people actually do change opinions. I changed mine about Harpy for instance. I thought he might turn out to be ok. Well, he isn't. Neither was Turdeau. Wish I hadn't voted for him. Good thing I can say is that I didn't vote for Harpy. The Con rep here is an idiot.
If those are the best topics you could think of, I would have to agree with you.
Yeah, I don't think leaving that document lying around for a week has helped for old Stephen out too much, but the biggest mistake he made was last year, when he just should have simply fired the guy without making a policy statement. Now he has a good minister, who he'd be crazy not to keep in her job and he has a lot of back peddling to do. I don't doubt for a minute that these cabinet ministers have a flunkey to pack their bags and brief cases around. That is just typical bureaucratic procedure, so we can probably rest assured that one overpaid bureaucrat has bit the dust and Harper better hope he can get through this- we sure wouldn't gain anything trading him off for Ignatieff, actually just jump from the frying pan into the fire.
JLM, it may surprise you, but I wouldn’t blame Harper too much for this. These are the mistakes that happen under very administration. No matter how much one is vigilant, mistakes occur. To err is human.
Just as I did not hold Liberal scandals against them, I don’t hold conservative scandals against Harper.
My problem with Harper is that he is a closet right winger, who is governing from the center right just because he has a minority. If he ever gets a majority, his claws will come out. So I don’t see myself ever voting for him. But I don’t hold the scandal against him.
Just as I did not hold Liberal scandals against them, I don’t hold conservative scandals against Harper.
My problem with Harper is that he is a closet right winger, who is governing from the center right just because he has a minority. If he ever gets a majority, his claws will come out. So I don’t see myself ever voting for him. But I don’t hold the scandal against him.
I have to agree with most of what you said, although I really have no idea personally where Harper fits in the "right wing" spectrum. I think his fiscal thinking is pretty sound generally speaking, right now he is in the positon of a small boat riding out a tidal wave.
JLM, when Harper was the president of Canadian Taxpayers Association, or even before that when he was a politician in Alberta, he was very much a right wing politician. He along with Kline talked of building a firewall around Alberta to keep gay marriage out.
Later when he came to federal politics, he still held right wing views. But slowly he moderated when he realized that was the only way to win seats in Ontario and Quebec (e.g., when he removed abortion from the platform of the Conservative Party, or when he promised not to use the Notwithstanding Clause to ban gay marriage). And I have no problem with his economic views, they are centre right views. His budgets have been pretty much what a Liberal government would have proposed (with a few changes).
But I don’t trust Harper.
Later when he came to federal politics, he still held right wing views. But slowly he moderated when he realized that was the only way to win seats in Ontario and Quebec (e.g., when he removed abortion from the platform of the Conservative Party, or when he promised not to use the Notwithstanding Clause to ban gay marriage). And I have no problem with his economic views, they are centre right views. His budgets have been pretty much what a Liberal government would have proposed (with a few changes).
But I don’t trust Harper.
Actually what you are saying speaks well for Harper, not badly. One of the keys to success in life is the ability to make adjustments (to suit the time, place and circumstances) both in actions and in thinking. I have no problem at all with gay unions but I have yet to be convinced that gay marriage is a good thing. (I'm not saying it's not, just have to be convinced)
You are right JLM, the ability to change is essential in a successful politician. The question is why he changed the policies. If he changed the policies due to changed circumstances, because he had a change of heart about a particular issue (e.g. did you know that Al Gore used to be solidly prolife, he voted for the Human Life amendment to US constitution, which would have banned all abortions?), that is one thing, and that is admirable.
But Harper changed his policies just to win election. Then the question arises what happens if he gets a majority? Will he revert to the old Harper, the rabid right winger? We don’t know the answer.
Let us reverse the question:
WHAT ARE THE CONSEQUENCES OF OBAMA SUCCEEDING?
1. Nationalized auto industry producing vehicles nobody wants.
2. Keep giving loans to natural born free-loaders and guaranteed loan-failures.
3. Suck up to America's enemies.
4. Weaken America's armed forces.
5. Declare America as a MUSLIM Nation.
6. Apologize, apologize!!!!
7. Throw your allies under the bus. And if the bus is not heavy enough, use a government subsidised train.
8. Any second now, a double digit inflation rate.
9. Any second now, a double digit unemployment rate.
10. Any second now, an 18% interest rate.
11. Deficit and national debt multiplied, sum higher than created by ALL previous Presidents combined.
12. Humiliation of America displayed by the President kissing the hand of a homophobe.
13. Same for kissing the hand of a misogamist and a philandering bigamist.
Need I go on? Only a blind acolyte would refuse to see what's there to see to anyone not blinded by racial and political correctness.
WHAT ARE THE CONSEQUENCES OF OBAMA SUCCEEDING?
1. Nationalized auto industry producing vehicles nobody wants.
2. Keep giving loans to natural born free-loaders and guaranteed loan-failures.
3. Suck up to America's enemies.
4. Weaken America's armed forces.
5. Declare America as a MUSLIM Nation.
6. Apologize, apologize!!!!
7. Throw your allies under the bus. And if the bus is not heavy enough, use a government subsidised train.
8. Any second now, a double digit inflation rate.
9. Any second now, a double digit unemployment rate.
10. Any second now, an 18% interest rate.
11. Deficit and national debt multiplied, sum higher than created by ALL previous Presidents combined.
12. Humiliation of America displayed by the President kissing the hand of a homophobe.
13. Same for kissing the hand of a misogamist and a philandering bigamist.
Need I go on? Only a blind acolyte would refuse to see what's there to see to anyone not blinded by racial and political correctness.
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I think you are confusing "right-wing" with "religious". They often go hand in hand, but they aren't the same.