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TenPenny

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Certainly not, that would violate the laws of physics, I am saying anthropocentric influence is so small it is practically pointless to consider it at all, let alone tax it. Even if we exterminated ourselves the climate would continue to change according to current change upstream in the solar flow/field.

Oh, I guess I misunderstood you when you said "cannot be altered by even one mm by..."

Now you're agreeing that there is a climate effect from man, it's just the magnitude that is in dispute.
 

darkbeaver

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Oh, I guess I misunderstood you when you said "cannot be altered by even one mm by..."

Now you're agreeing that there is a climate effect from man, it's just the magnitude that is in dispute.

Legal clarifications in this case are literally not worth your paper. Relative magnitude, yes that's the correct scientific position. The ant and the asteroid, we don't make an appreciable splat and we won't in the future. A full MM is wild fantasy.
 

TenPenny

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Legal clarifications in this case are literally not worth your paper. Relative magnitude, yes that's the correct scientific position. The ant and the asteroid, we don't make an appreciable splat and we won't in the future. A full MM is wild fantasy.

It's just interesting to see you agree that man's activities do have an impact on climate change. You'll quibble, of course, and expect us to believe that you have some scientific knowledge beyond school boy physics, but the point is, you agree with the basic premise.
 

Sparrow

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Every watt of power China creates for it's rural eras saves immense amount of petroleum and bio-mass being burned very inefficiently.. If we even had 10% of their rail system we'd be miles ahead. For some dumb ass reason ours was torn apart.

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You want to know why the rail system was torn apart? I worked for 33 yrs in an industry that shipped approx. 30 railroad cans per day but we had to change to trucking because the railroad companies priced themselves of the market and the service well unbelievably consisted of loosing cars en route, supply damaged and dangerous cars for us to use.

The good thing about a carbon tax is that the revenues can go toward whatever environmental endeavour is best. So we can tailor that initiative contingent upon our need at the time.
Do you really trust the government that much!

I want to hear more about how man thinks it's going to pull off this "Geo-engineering" **** without a global government, currency, central bank, and socio-political system that we'll be happy in.
China's political, social and human resource structure is our "Green Socialist" future.
Think you should go and live in China, not as the small minority of privileged few and not as a tourist but as the majority of the Chinese people, you might change your mind.


 

darkbeaver

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It's just interesting to see you agree that man's activities do have an impact on climate change. You'll quibble, of course, and expect us to believe that you have some scientific knowledge beyond school boy physics, but the point is, you agree with the basic premise.
Like I said you can try and make a legal case for impact that you know to be vanishingly real but cannot demonstrate before peers. Yes I completely agree that we humans have an impact that impedes or assists global climate change in a mass for mass comparison. When I was in school boy physics was not taught, as I recall.
 

darkbeaver

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You were in a school boy?

I guess that confirms things.

While I generally think of you as at least a civil enough servant of the ruling paradigm it is plain that the demands of rudimentary discourse exceed your capacities.Your resort to perversion is logged, your capitulation to bad taste noted, your relevance to discovery correctly assayed. You are not gold.
 

TenPenny

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While I generally think of you as at least a civil enough servant of the ruling paradigm it is plain that the demands of rudimentary discourse exceed your capacities.Your resort to perversion is logged, your capitulation to bad taste noted, your relevance to discovery correctly assayed. You are not gold.

Ah, you have confirmed the popular belief as truth.

You are, in fact, an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing
 

darkbeaver

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^ Nov 10 11:11

Fossils From Animals And Plants Are Not Necessary For Crude Oil And Natural Gas, Swedish Researchers Find



Researchers at the Royal Institute of Technology (KTH) in Stockholm have managed to prove that fossils from animals and plants are not necessary for crude oil and natural gas to be generated. The findings are revolutionary since this means, on the one hand, that it will be much easier to find these sources of energy and, on the other hand, that they can be found all over the globe.

Ah, you have confirmed the popular belief as truth.

You are, in fact, an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing

Ah you've made a mistake. Shouldn't that be (popular belief) and not "the popular belief"?
 

damngrumpy

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There is so much contradiction it is impossible to believe the doomsday people
or those who want to sound the alarm. I remember in the early seventies we
were told an Ice age was coming, then oh no sorry global warming is coming.
Its like the Devil and God both having Salvation Army kettles on the street at
Christmas time.
 

TenPenny

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Researchers at the Royal Institute of Technology (KTH) in Stockholm have managed to prove that fossils from animals and plants are not necessary for crude oil and natural gas to be generated. The findings are revolutionary since this means, on the one hand, that it will be much easier to find these sources of energy and, on the other hand, that they can be found all over the globe.

That sounds oddly like what the oceanographers from the University of Toronto were studying back in 1973 on the east coast of NB.
 

mentalfloss

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That's why we need accountability measures.

From government? Thats the best joke I have heard all day!

Wait until you hear the punch line!

Fall in line on climate change, Sasol told


Energy giant Sasol, South Africa’s second-biggest emitter of greenhouse gases and operator of the world’s biggest single-point emission source – at Secunda in Mpumalanga – has been told by the government in no uncertain terms to accept its newly adopted climate change policy.

This policy includes the principle of carbon budgets, or caps on greenhouse gas emissions, for each of the country’s major polluting industrial sectors and for big individual polluters like Sasol and Eskom, South Africa’s biggest emitter. They are both likely to be strongly affected when hard figures for these caps are decided – possibly next year.

The new policy also includes the principle of a carbon tax which could be levied on emissions.

Sasol has also been challenged by the chairman of the National Assembly’s water and environmental affairs’ portfolio committee, Johnny de Lange, to change corporate direction from primary fuel production and to consider investing heavily in green, low carbon technologies like renewable energy.

“If I were you guys, you and Eskom, I’d be like China,” De Lange told a Sasol delegation making a presentation to his committee as part of public hearings on the government’s new National Climate Change Response Strategy, or white paper, policy document.

“You become the expert on renewable energies, and the monopolies… I would grab the thing by the horns and run with it.”

His remarks came soon after Australia passed landmark laws yesterday to impose a price on carbon emissions in one of the biggest economic reforms in a decade, Reuters reported. The vote in the Senate made Australia the second major economy behind the EU to pass carbon-limiting legislation.

Fall in line on climate change, Sasol told - IOL SciTech | IOL.co.za



Looks like Australia's move is actually making a real impact.
 

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This policy includes the principle of carbon budgets, or caps on greenhouse gas emissions, for each of the country’s major polluting industrial sectors and for big individual polluters like Sasol and Eskom, South Africa’s biggest emitter.

The new policy also includes the principle of a carbon tax which could be levied on emissions.

Another corporate tax that will head straight into the General Revenues Account of the South African gvt... Not one thin dime (or S. African equivalent) will be spent on eco-measures.


Looks like Australia's move is actually making a real impact.


Only to collect taxes...
 

taxslave

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Enough for them to comfortably afford a carbon tax. Just like us.

And btw, other major carbon emitters are moving on this one.. just not Canada.

Is Australia acting ahead of others?

People often ask why should Australia act to reduce their carbon pollution when other countries are not. The reality is that many other countries have already made huge steps towards reducing their carbon output, and that includes developing nations like China. Countries have started this transformation to take advantage of the economic opportunities stemming from the next stage of global development that will be powered by clean energy.

A broad range of countries have introduced, or are planning, market based emissions trading schemes and carbon taxes. Australia’s top five trading partners—China, Japan, the United States (US), the Republic of Korea and India—and another six of our top twenty trading partners (New Zealand, the UK, Germany, Italy, France and the Netherlands) have implemented or are piloting carbon trading or taxation schemes at national, state or the city level. Many countries have renewable energy targets, including fourteen of Australia’s top twenty trading partners. Energy performance standards for appliances, buildings and industrial plants, as well as incentives for the use and development of low emission products and technologies are now widespread.

In fact, China has pledged to quadruple its current investment of almost $50 billion per year on renewables with the aim of reaching a total of 500GW of renewable energy output by 2020. Right now, China already has 44.7GW of wind energy production (we have a little more than 1Gw). In fact, of all energy infrastructure built in China over the course of 2010, 26% of it is renewable!

The European Union enacted an emissions trading scheme in 2005 which places a cap on the amount of carbon dioxide and nitrous oxide that can be emitted by big polluters. It operates in the 27 EU member states as well as Iceland, Liechtenstein and Norway and covers power stations, combustion plants, oil refineries and iron and steel works, as well as factories making cement, glass, lime, bricks, ceramics, pulp, paper and board. Their current target is a 21% cut of 2005 emissions by 2025 (Australia’s is a 5% cut of 2000 emissions by 2020). Some EU nations have pledged even greater cuts to their emissions. The UK, for example, has pledged to cut 50% of its 1990-level emissions by 2025.


Is Australia acting ahead of others? | Carbon Tax | The Facts about the Carbon Tax

We are getting our ass handed to us environmentally and economically.

Carbon tax is just a scam to redistribute the wealth from working people to those that don't like Gore and Suzuki.
 

Nuggler

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:-(Is it better to put your head between your legs and kiss your ass goodbye?.............or...........Dig a small hole, insert your head, and have a friend cover it up, or gently flick the earth with your hands till your head is covered?

If a friend does it, who does it for the last person?

Serious topics friends, not to be taken lightly.:roll:

Maybe the oil companies will help, or our noble leaders.

As things draw to a close, maybe we can get part time work helping to burn the Amazonian rain forest.

Lots of possibilities.