Weight loss bad for you?

Icarus27k

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Another interesting fact I learned while researching this: fat people burn more energy than thin people because they have a bigger body mass to sustain.

When I think of using energy I think of exercise, and since fat people stereotypically don't exercise, it surprised that they use more of their stored energy than thin people.

This is complex. If a fat person burns more energy, wouldn't be easy for them lose weight? If they did nothing more than just reduced calorie consumption significantly?
 

JLM

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It is more expensive.. an actual healthcare system, rather than an illness care system, would have some way to make sure that kind of cost is covered for someone who needs it.

Yep, especially as the pay off once he does return to good health far out weighs the costs. Ten trips to the swimming pool are likely less costly than one trip to emergency.
 

JLM

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Another interesting fact I learned while researching this: fat people burn more energy than thin people because they have a bigger body mass to sustain.

When I think of using energy I think of exercise, and since fat people stereotypically don't exercise, it surprised that they use more of their stored energy than thin people.

This is complex. If a fat person burns more energy, wouldn't be easy for them lose weight? If they did nothing more than just reduced calorie consumption significantly?

Absolutely right- years ago I knew a morbidly obese guy, but when the scales hit 400 lbs. a bell went off and he started dieting (probably more like fasting) anyway he was losing a lb. a day for awhile (horrendously dangerous in itself, two lbs. a week is acceptable). Anyway the benefit was relatively short term- he has dead at 55.
 

Icarus27k

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Absolutely right- years ago I knew a morbidly obese guy, but when the scales hit 400 lbs. a bell went off and he started dieting (probably more like fasting) anyway he was losing a lb. a day for awhile (horrendously dangerous in itself, two lbs. a week is acceptable). Anyway the benefit was relatively short term- he has dead at 55.

Hmmm... That story kind of took an immediate right turn there at the end. Mary had a little lamb whose fleece was white as snow. Both of them got run over by a big rig and died.
 

gerryh

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eating healthy is also a lot more expensive than eating convenient foods.
 

talloola

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eating healthy is also a lot more expensive than eating convenient foods.

wrong

a sack of potatoes, a bag of rice, fresh veggies, meat 3 times a week, pasta,
soup bones, large pot of soup, last 4 days or more, rolled oats, eggs, beans,
lentils, bread, tomatoe sauce and tomatoe paste and some herbs, do your own
spaghetti sauce, large quantity, freeze it and have it for weeks.

healthy basic whole foods.

all low priced foods, buy mostly in large quantities, works out very inexpensive.
 
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VanIsle

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eating healthy is also a lot more expensive than eating convenient foods.
It can be more expensive depending on what you are referring to as convenience foods. The truly convenient is fast food. After that - pre-cooked chickens and whoever thought of that idea made every store a bundle because they sell like hot cakes. You can get more conveniet foods via pre-chopped onions, pre-peeled and chopped carrots, salads, the list goes on. You do however, pay GST on all those items that are pre peeled, diced etc. If a person is going to go to the expense of a fast food item, they are far better off to buy the foods pre cut.. Places like A & W are not cheap anymore. I don't know about Mac Donald's. There are no savings in places like A & W/KFC/Wendy's etc. Better off to go to a real restaurant. Probably won't pay much more and you can eat from real dishes.
 

Chiliagon

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I honestly can't see how losing weight would be unhealthy? I made a major change to my life back at the end of March and I have lost 20lbs since then and I am feeling better. I still have a bit to go, I'm only 26lbs away from my goal weight of 180lbs and I am excited.

Why would doing that to be healthier actually be bad?
 

gerryh

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wrong

a sack of potatoes, a bag of rice, fresh veggies, meat 3 times a week, pasta,
soup bones, large pot of soup, last 4 days or more, rolled oats, eggs, beans,
lentils, bread, tomatoe sauce and tomatoe paste and some herbs, do your own
spaghetti sauce, large quantity, freeze it and have it for weeks.

healthy basic whole foods.

all low priced foods, buy mostly in large quantities, works out very inexpensive.

Pasta...one of THE worst things you can eat..

320 calories for 85 grams
64grams of carbs(that's 21% of your recomended max on carbs a day all by itself)
then add the sauce, a slice of bread..... holy sh*t.... your looking at major carbs and at least a 1/3 of your daily calorie intake..... for one sitting.

Potatoes? Rice? Bread? This is carb heaven. There is NO balance.

Check the Canada food guide.
 

gerryh

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It can be more expensive depending on what you are referring to as convenience foods. The truly convenient is fast food. After that - pre-cooked chickens and whoever thought of that idea made every store a bundle because they sell like hot cakes. You can get more conveniet foods via pre-chopped onions, pre-peeled and chopped carrots, salads, the list goes on. You do however, pay GST on all those items that are pre peeled, diced etc. If a person is going to go to the expense of a fast food item, they are far better off to buy the foods pre cut.. Places like A & W are not cheap anymore. I don't know about Mac Donald's. There are no savings in places like A & W/KFC/Wendy's etc. Better off to go to a real restaurant. Probably won't pay much more and you can eat from real dishes.

I have eaten "convenience" foods most of my life.....it's cheaper. My food bill just in the last week has made a MAJOR jump.
 

gerryh

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just don't eat that, or have very small amounts

I don't now..... at one time( not that long ago) it was not unheard of for me to pack away over 2000 calories and god knows how much fat, carbs, and sodium at one sitting.

Taloolas menu, ESPECIALLY for those looking to eat healthy, is more like what I used to eat.
 

Chiliagon

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yea, if you're heavily active on a regular basis, then more calories, with high amts of carbs is perfect for you. But you're not gonna be eating fat and hamburgers and french fries.

on your off days, your calories are down and you're maintaining an off day diet.

I remember those days of being active and having to eat a high carb diet.
 

talloola

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Pasta...one of THE worst things you can eat..

320 calories for 85 grams
64grams of carbs(that's 21% of your recomended max on carbs a day all by itself)
then add the sauce, a slice of bread..... holy sh*t.... your looking at major carbs and at least a 1/3 of your daily calorie intake..... for one sitting.

Potatoes? Rice? Bread? This is carb heaven. There is NO balance.

Check the Canada food guide.

The foods I have listed are for the pantry, to be chosen
each day in conjunction with other foods that make up
a well balanced meal, not to be eaten 'together' each day.
jeesh.

Rice pasta, whole wheat pasta are very nutritional, and
a little bit of white pasta now and then is not a bad
thing, bread -whole wheat, seven grain etc., not white.

Rice is very healthy, especially brown.
 

JLM

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wrong

a sack of potatoes, a bag of rice, fresh veggies, meat 3 times a week, pasta,
soup bones, large pot of soup, last 4 days or more, rolled oats, eggs, beans,
lentils, bread, tomatoe sauce and tomatoe paste and some herbs, do your own
spaghetti sauce, large quantity, freeze it and have it for weeks.

healthy basic whole foods.

all low priced foods, buy mostly in large quantities, works out very inexpensive.

Exactly I was going to reply similarly to yours but had a nap instead. Any fruit, vegtables you can buy fresh are cheapest. Flour is fairly reasonable, as are eggs and most dairy products. :smile:
 

JLM

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It can be more expensive depending on what you are referring to as convenience foods. The truly convenient is fast food. After that - pre-cooked chickens and whoever thought of that idea made every store a bundle because they sell like hot cakes. You can get more conveniet foods via pre-chopped onions, pre-peeled and chopped carrots, salads, the list goes on. You do however, pay GST on all those items that are pre peeled, diced etc. If a person is going to go to the expense of a fast food item, they are far better off to buy the foods pre cut.. Places like A & W are not cheap anymore. I don't know about Mac Donald's. There are no savings in places like A & W/KFC/Wendy's etc. Better off to go to a real restaurant. Probably won't pay much more and you can eat from real dishes.

Best to avoid restaurants altogether, eat at home and learn 314 ways to cook spuds.
 

JLM

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Pasta...one of THE worst things you can eat..

320 calories for 85 grams
64grams of carbs(that's 21% of your recomended max on carbs a day all by itself)
then add the sauce, a slice of bread..... holy sh*t.... your looking at major carbs and at least a 1/3 of your daily calorie intake..... for one sitting.

Potatoes? Rice? Bread? This is carb heaven. There is NO balance.

Check the Canada food guide.

Spuds are excellent in that they have lots of vitamin C and potassium.