Weight loss bad for you?

VanIsle

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One thing I've thought a lot about as I walk a lot (30-40 miles a week) is people who say their obese weight can't be helped. I have yet to see anyone who does a lot of walking to be fat (obese), so I think that statement is bullsh*t. I sure question the ethics of these doctors who surgically reduce people, instead of telling them to get off their ass and start walking. Now you are not going to get the likes of John Candy suddenly doing 5 miles a day but there's no reason why he can't do 1/4 mile for a week and then 1/2 a mile for a week and over a period of a year or two work up to 5 miles a day. 10,000 steps is the recommended figure for good health. Of course a lot will tell you they don't have the time, but how much time will they have after they drop dead at 50?
Well JLM, John Candy is one who would have a more than difficult time putting one foot in front of the other.;-) He was one of those that was "forewarned and should have been forearmed". His own father died about the same age as he did from the same reason. I don't disagree that walking is one of the best things you can do for yourself. My son's ex-Mother-in-law walks miles everyday. She walks at a snail's pace though - literally speaking, and she is quite obese. She lives on a daily diet of T3's. I think if she changed her diet, her pace would speed up, she would lose weight and could probably drop the pain killers.
As I say all this there are dozens of people passing my house with numbers attached to them. Some are running while others are walking to "catch their breath". I have no idea what's going on.
 

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Being over weight myself I really believe that the body reacts to the individual person where people handle their body weights differently but that is only to a point because when one is really obese by more than one hundred pounds the body parts start to break down.

The heavier one gets the more pain they have to endure until they die at a pre-mature age.

The problem with todays society is that food is cheap and work loads are not as strenuous as in the old days and prepared foods have chemicals in them so one wants to eat more.

The personal computer programming is part of the blame where a lot of virtual experiences have popped up so one doesn't have to do the physical energies to attain those same experiences in a reality based world.

If those virtual experiences can incorporate a Wii type system where movement is essential to the experience then more people would be more fit.

I would estimate about 75% of the people are overweight and about 50% are obese and to prove it go to any mall or main street and count for yourself.

If this trend doesn't improve there will be a lot less people getting old
 

karrie

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hhmmm Someone fed me bad info. I thought he was dead. Well, anyway, the others are dead and their deaths were obesity related.

They were more than a BMI of 30 though.... there are degrees of obesity.
 

karrie

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One thing I've thought a lot about as I walk a lot (30-40 miles a week) is people who say their obese weight can't be helped. I have yet to see anyone who does a lot of walking to be fat (obese), so I think that statement is bullsh*t. I sure question the ethics of these doctors who surgically reduce people, instead of telling them to get off their ass and start walking. Now you are not going to get the likes of John Candy suddenly doing 5 miles a day but there's no reason why he can't do 1/4 mile for a week and then 1/2 a mile for a week and over a period of a year or two work up to 5 miles a day. 10,000 steps is the recommended figure for good health. Of course a lot will tell you they don't have the time, but how much time will they have after they drop dead at 50?

Unless of course he's got chronic joint issues in his knees and hips from his weight, and won't be able to walk that 1/4 mile until he loses some weight. It's a vicious cycle sometimes. It's also though why I think the health system would be better served by having weight management centres than simply by telling people over and over again to lose weight, while providing few decent tools to do so.
 

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Unless of course he's got chronic joint issues in his knees and hips from his weight, and won't be able to walk that 1/4 mile until he loses some weight. It's a vicious cycle sometimes. It's also though why I think the health system would be better served by having weight management centres than simply by telling people over and over again to lose weight, while providing few decent tools to do so.


You are so wise, Karrie. The guy may be able to manage a swimming program. (but that is a little more expensive)
 

JLM

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absolutely correct, the heart is a muscle,

keep it 'fit' just like your legs, arms, back, etc.

your heart has to pump your blood all of your life, and

it should be strong, and it stays that way from exercise

and proper food.

Gee, you're wise just like I am.......:smile:
 

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I think the article in the OP also tries to make a subtle difference between (1) risk and (2) actuality. Countless studies show that overweight and obese people have an increased risk of developing serious disease, but whether the diease actually develops is something different.
 

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I think the article in the OP also tries to make a subtle difference between (1) risk and (2) actuality. Countless studies show that overweight and obese people have an increased risk of developing serious disease, but whether the diease actually develops is something different.

Well, in a few more cases than normal it undoubtedly will. :smile:
 

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Unless of course he's got chronic joint issues in his knees and hips from his weight, and won't be able to walk that 1/4 mile until he loses some weight. It's a vicious cycle sometimes. It's also though why I think the health system would be better served by having weight management centres than simply by telling people over and over again to lose weight, while providing few decent tools to do so.

although I think your post is very wise indeed and true,
I would add that 'people' need to 'think', if they are
obese it is because they didn't think, and if there are
facilities available, the ones who don't 'think' won't
show up anyway, many people in this position find every
reason in the world 'why' they are like they are, but
don't 'want' or 'can't think of the correct reasons.

When the mind is closed, it is extremely hard to reach
any part of them that would benefit from available help.

Many people in the 'obese' world want what they want, and
pretend there is no way to help them, and repeat over and over
that they 'can't' do the things that would help them, and
won't try. It is too bad that many times 'poor' health
forces them to do something to stay alive, then it is
a 'much' harder chore than anything they would have done
if they had 'tried' much earlier.

I always carry about ten pounds that I would like to get
rid of, but at my age I musn't let myself get too thin
either, (not a chance lol), as we get older we need a
'small' layer of fat, it is a healthy thing.

Two of my daughters are beginning to 'pack' too much fat
on their bodies, and I sure don't want to natter at them
about it, but I think about it quite a bit, they are young
and healthy right now, and they used to be top rate athletes who looked fantastic, so what is happening here,
and how do I help them without sounding judgemental, I
have to think about that, the italian side of the family
have lots of 'weight' problems, and they do carry that
blood in their veins, and the italians don't seem to
be concerned about weight, but they love to eat. ??????

And, I love to eat too, just as much as they do, but
I stop and 'think' first, and eat in moderation.
 

JLM

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I
have to think about that, the italian side of the family
have lots of 'weight' problems, and they do carry that
blood in their veins, and the italians don't seem to
be concerned about weight, but they love to eat. ??????

And, I love to eat too, just as much as they do, but
I stop and 'think' first, and eat in moderation.

And to make it worse it's 90% spaghetti and maccaroni, which is packed with calories but has little or no nutrition.
 

talloola

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And to make it worse it's 90% spaghetti and maccaroni, which is packed with calories but has little or no nutrition.

the sauce they make is actually quite healthy, made from
scratch, and pretty basic, with beef, not like the
bought stuff, but yes, the pasta isn't healthy at all, it's
OK in small quantities, but never serve it in small quantities.
 

talloola

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Heading out for my walk now and suggest the rest of you do the same...........LOL

have to do my hair first, then watch the soaps, then soak
in a bubble bath, then have a snack, then coffee with the
girls, then do some baking, then have a nap, nope sorry
JLM no time today, maybe tomorrow.

lol lol
 

VanIsle

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And to make it worse it's 90% spaghetti and maccaroni, which is packed with calories but has little or no nutrition.
I don't think it's so much the calories in pasta as it is the carb content and what the body does with that. Our body turns white pasta into sugar and then into fat very fast. White bread the same. Granulated sugar begins to turn to fat the moment it hits your lips. You don't even have to swallow. Pasta has much the same effect as we digest it. We live in a world of "fast to prepare" foods along with fast food restaurants and even high scale restaurants serve us nothing but fat food even if it's not fast food. It's just so easy to boil up some pasta for a meal. No fuss, no muss.
 

karrie

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You are so wise, Karrie. The guy may be able to manage a swimming program. (but that is a little more expensive)

It is more expensive.. an actual healthcare system, rather than an illness care system, would have some way to make sure that kind of cost is covered for someone who needs it.
 

talloola

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I don't think it's so much the calories in pasta as it is the carb content and what the body does with that. Our body turns white pasta into sugar and then into fat very fast. White bread the same. Granulated sugar begins to turn to fat the moment it hits your lips. You don't even have to swallow. Pasta has much the same effect as we digest it. We live in a world of "fast to prepare" foods along with fast food restaurants and even high scale restaurants serve us nothing but fat food even if it's not fast food. It's just so easy to boil up some pasta for a meal. No fuss, no muss.

I cook rice pasta sometimes, it is different to cook, not
the same texture, but when it is on the plate with a nice
sauce on it, it tastes the same, and is healthier.