Sounds like it's a bunch of Chinese people and organizations coordinating their efforts to persuade voters. Unless that's illegal in Canada, drive on.
WE really need to get rid of this guy
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Much the same as Russians trying to influence voters on social media.
Most of it is illegal under Canadian election law. Proving it is difficult.
If any of this is true, we're in trouble as long as Trudeau is PM. Why this isn't taken more seriously is in and of itself a serious dereliction of duty by our Federal government.China employed a sophisticated strategy to disrupt Canada’s democracy in the 2021 federal election campaign as Chinese diplomats and their proxies backed the re-election of Justin Trudeau’s Liberals – but only to another minority government – and worked to defeat Conservative politicians considered to be unfriendly to Beijing.
The full extent of the Chinese interference operation is laid bare in both secret and top-secret Canadian Security Intelligence Service documents viewed by The Globe and Mail that cover the period before and after the September, 2021, election that returned the Liberals to office.
The CSIS reports were shared among senior government officials and Canada’s Five Eyes intelligence allies of the United States, Britain, Australia and New Zealand. Some of this intelligence was also shared with French and German spy services.
Over the past decade, China, under President Xi Jinping, has adopted a more aggressive foreign policy as it seeks to expand its political, economic and military influence around the world.
MPs on the Commons Procedure and House Affairs committee are already looking into allegations that China interfered in the 2019 election campaign to support 11 candidates, most of them Liberal, in the Greater Toronto Area (GTA).
Drawn from a series of CSIS intelligence-gathering operations, the documents illustrate how an orchestrated machine was operating in Canada with two primary aims: to ensure that a minority Liberal government was returned in 2021, and that certain Conservative candidates identified by China were defeated.
CSIS documents reveal Chinese strategy to influence Canada’s 2021 election — The Globe and Mail
Beijing had two goals: to seek return of minority Liberal government and defeat Conservatives perceived to be hawkishapple.news
The documents say the Chinese Communist Party leadership in Beijing was “pressuring its consulates to create strategies to leverage politically [active] Chinese community members and associations within Canadian society.” Beijing uses Canadian organizations to advocate on their behalf “while obfuscating links to the People’s Republic of China.”
The classified reports viewed by The Globe reveal that China’s former consul-general in Vancouver, Tong Xiaoling, boasted in 2021 about how she helped defeat two Conservative MPs.
But despite being seen by China as the best leader for Canada, Beijing also wanted to keep Mr. Trudeau’s power in check – with a second Liberal minority in Parliament as the ideal outcome.
In early July, 2021 – eight weeks before election day – one consular official at an unnamed Chinese diplomatic mission in Canada said Beijing “likes it when the parties in Parliament are fighting with each other, whereas if there is a majority, the party in power can easily implement policies that do not favour the PRC.”
While the Chinese diplomat expressed unhappiness that the Liberals had recently become critical of China, the official added that the party is better than the alternatives. Canada-China relations hit their lowest point since the 1989 Tiananmen Square massacre after December, 2018, when Beijing locked up two Canadians in apparent retaliation for Ottawa’s arrest of a Chinese Huawei executive on an extradition request from the United States.
Most important, the intelligence reports show that Beijing was determined that the Conservatives did not win.
China employed disinformation campaigns and proxies connected to Chinese-Canadian organizations in Vancouver and the GTA, which have large mainland Chinese immigrant communities, to voice opposition to the Conservatives and favour the Trudeau Liberals.
The CSIS documents reveal that Chinese diplomats and their proxies, including some members of the Chinese-language media, were instructed to press home that the Conservative Party was too critical of China and that, if elected, it would follow the lead of former U.S. president Donald Trump and ban Chinese students from certain universities or education programs.
“This will threaten the future of the voters’ children, as it will limit their education opportunities,” the CSIS report quoted the Chinese consulate official as saying. The official added: “The Liberal Party of Canada is becoming the only party that the PRC can support.”
CSIS also explained how Chinese diplomats conduct foreign interference operations in support of political candidates and elected officials. Tactics include undeclared cash donations to political campaigns or having business owners hire international Chinese students and “assign them to volunteer in electoral campaigns on a full-time basis.”
Sympathetic donors are also encouraged to provide campaign contributions to candidates favoured by China – donations for which they receive a tax credit from the federal government. Then, the CSIS report from Dec. 20, 2021 says, political campaigns quietly, and illegally, return part of the contribution – “the difference between the original donation and the government’s refund” – back to the donors.
A key part of their interference operation is to influence vulnerable Chinese immigrants in Canada. The intelligence reports quote an unnamed Chinese consulate official as saying it’s “easy to influence Chinese immigrants to agree with the PRC’s stance.”
China wants to build acceptance abroad for its claims on Taiwan, a self-ruled island that it considers a breakaway province and still reserves the right to annex by force. And it seeks to play down its conduct in Xinjiang, where the office of former UN Human Rights commissioner Michelle Bachelet last year said China has committed “serious human-rights violations” in the region, which may amount to crimes against humanity.
Similarly it wants to generate support for a draconian 2020 national-security law to silence opposition and dissent in Hong Kong, a former British colony that Beijing had once promised would be allowed to retain Western-style civil liberties for 50 years.
Beijing also seeks to quell foreign support for Tibet, a region China invaded and annexed more than 70 years ago, and to discourage opposition to Beijing’s militarization of the South China Sea and sweeping maritime claims in the region.
A month after the September, 2021, vote, CSIS reported that it was “well-known within the Chinese-Canadian community of British Columbia” that Ms. Tong, then the Vancouver consul-general, “wanted the Liberal Party to win the 2021 election,” one of the reports said.
CSIS noted that Ms. Tong, who returned to China in July, 2022, and former consul Wang Jin made “discreet and subtle efforts” to encourage members of Chinese-Canadian organizations to rally votes for the Liberals and defeat Conservative candidates.
CSIS said Mr. Wang has direct ties to the Chinese Communist Party’s United Front Work Department (UFWD), a vast organization that uses mostly covert and often manipulative operations to influence overseas ethnic Chinese communities and foreign governments. CSIS said Mr. Wang served as an intermediary between the UFWD and Chinese-Canadian community leaders in British Columbia.
In early November, 2021, CSIS reported, Ms. Tong discussed the defeat of a Vancouver-area Conservative, whom she described as a “vocal distractor” of the Chinese government. A national-security source said the MP was Kenny Chiu. The Globe and Mail is not identifying the source, who risks prosecution under the Security of Information Act.
The source said Mr. Chiu was targeted in retaliation for his criticism of China’s crackdown in Hong Kong and his 2021 private member’s bill aiming to establish a registry of foreign agents, an effort inspired by similar Australian legislation to combat foreign interference. The United States has a long-standing registry; Canada is still studying the matter.
Taken more seriously by whom? The Government that’s in power that China was advocating for? The Non-Opposition Opposition that’s not real opposition in the non-Coalition Coalition that’s propping up the Government that China was advocating for? Combined, they’re the majority NDP/Liberals….
How can it be taken seriously when most of the country knows nothing of it . When the unmarked graves hit the news my neighbours all were horrified and when I tried to explain that all of this is well known I got pilloried so I showed them the portion of the Truth and Reconciliation Report that dealt with unmarked graves , they still didn’t care , it was terrible .
It's more than doesn't know. Doesn't care. They believe whatever the CBC guy says and accept it as fact without question. And the CBC report this? The old saying the friend of my friend is my friend. The enemy of my enemy is also my friend.
Speaking about chinese interference. The CBC will post Trudeau's defence of the report undoubtedly.
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As much as I think the public should be aware of this, I’m conflicted that CSIS & the Globe & Mail are directly cozy like this.
Why would the Chinese Gov’t/Military not want the Conservatives in a majority position in Canada? Hmmm…?The CSIS reports were shared among senior government officials and Canada’s Five Eyes intelligence allies of the United States, Britain, Australia and New Zealand. Some of this intelligence was also shared with French and German spy services.
Drawn from a series of CSIS intelligence-gathering operations, the documents illustrate how an orchestrated machine was operating in Canada with two primary aims: to ensure that a minority Liberal government was returned in 2021, and that certain Conservative candidates identified by China were defeated.
CSIS documents reveal Chinese strategy to influence Canada’s 2021 election — The Globe and Mail
Beijing had two goals: to seek return of minority Liberal government and defeat Conservatives perceived to be hawkish
That sounds…unobtrusive.
Trudeau says Canadians decided 2021 election outcome in spite of Chinese meddling — The Canadian Press
OTTAWA - Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said Canadian voters alone decided the last federal election as he played down a report Friday that China tried to unduly sway the outcome.
How ‘bout that. Wonder why?
OTTAWA - Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said Canadian voters alone decided the last federal election as he played down a report Friday that China tried to unduly sway the outcome.
The Toronto-based Globe and Mail newspaper, citing classified Canadian Security Intelligence Service records, said China worked to help ensure a Liberal minority victory in the 2021 general election as well as defeat Conservative politicians considered unfriendly to Beijing.
Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre said Friday that Trudeau chose not to be transparent about Chinese interference because it benefited him. "It's clear that Justin Trudeau has been covering up the interference of the authoritarian regime in Beijing."
"All Canadians can have total confidence that the outcomes of the 2019 and the 2021 elections were determined by Canadians, and Canadians alone, at the voting booth," Trudeau said Friday when asked about the Globe story.
All Canadians…All of them…they can ALL have total confidence…All.
A federal research unit detected what might be a Chinese Communist Party information operation that aimed to discourage Canadians of Chinese heritage from voting for the Conservatives.
The Toronto-based Globe and Mail newspaper, citing classified Canadian Security Intelligence Service records, said China worked to help ensure a Liberal minority victory in the 2021 general election as well as defeat Conservative politicians considered unfriendly to Beijing.
The story said the spy service quoted one Chinese diplomat as saying Beijing likes it when Canadian political parties are fighting with each other, whereas if one has a majority, the party in power can easily implement policies that do not favour China.
The newspaper also said that, according to CSIS, Chinese diplomats are behind undeclared cash donations to campaigns, and have business owners hire international Chinese students and assign them to volunteer in election campaigns.
Neither CSIS nor the Chinese Embassy in Ottawa had immediate comment on the Globe story. The spy service also did not say what, if anything, it was doing about the public disclosure of its own classified documents.
The embassy has previously said China has ALWAYS adhered to the principle of non-interference in the internal affairs of other countries…always…
Under a federal protocol, there would be a public announcement if a panel of senior bureaucrats determined that an incident — or an accumulation of incidents — threatened Canada’s ability to have a free and fair election.
There was no such announcement in 2021 or concerning the 2019 election. In both ballots, the Liberals were returned to government with minority mandates while the Conservatives formed the official Opposition.
Trudeau says Canadians decided 2021 election outcome in spite of Chinese meddling — The Canadian Press
OTTAWA - Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said Canadian voters alone decided the last federal election as he played down a report Friday that China tried to unduly sway the outcome.
Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre accused Justin Trudeau on Friday of ignoring Chinese interference in the most recent federal election because Beijing's efforts were aimed at helping the Liberals — but Trudeau said his government is taking the threat seriously.
Poilievre said Friday he finds it hard to believe Trudeau wasn't aware of CSIS's findings. "Justin Trudeau knew about this interference, and he covered it up because he benefited from it," Poilievre told a news conference. He did not cite evidence beyond the Globe story.
"He's perfectly happy to let a foreign, authoritarian government interfere in our elections as long as they're helping him." But Trudeau said he's aware of the threat and foreign interference did not change the outcomes of the 2019 and 2021 elections.
FOIA
Epoch Times had a 2 month head start on CA MSM in exposing this and the Chinese cop shops.
2 months. That is plenty of time for Govt to start burying the truth.
It wasn't necessarily about their party but their culture or race.
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NDP candidate Bonita Zarrillo has won in Port Moody-Coquitlam, ousting former Conservative MP Nelly Shin, according to the CTV News Decision Desk.
The more I read about Chinese interference in the last couple federal elections in Canada…. And the leak between the Globe&Mail and CSIS… the less I know.
It can be summed up as follows:
1) Something happened
2) it was targeted against conservative MP’s
3) it benefitted the Liberal Party
4) every new story about it is super vague
6) Justin is looking into how CSIS leaked this vague information to the Globe&Mail
7) the same six paragraphs of vagueness keep getting rewritten in different ways in the same story to fill out 18 paragraph articles, on many different news sites
8) the alleged cat is somewhat out of some form of containment receptacle
9) there’s really not a whole lot of detail about this at this point, but I’m curious
10) I’m fairly certain that much much more is known about this, and also fairly certain that we’re not ever really going to know much about it as the general public
CSIS documents show China warned ‘Canadian friends’ of foreign-interference investigations — The Globe and Mail
Trudeau says he expects an investigation into the source of leaks to The Globe and denies Beijing’s interference in the 2019 and 2021 elections
Reports of China's election interference plans show need for foreign agents registry: Poilievre — National Post
Poilievre accused Trudeau of having attempted to cover up China's interference in Canada's democracy because it benefits the Liberal party
The more I read about Chinese interference in the last couple federal elections in Canada…. And the leak between the Globe&Mail and CSIS… the less I know.
It can be summed up as follows:
1) Something happened
2) it was targeted against conservative MP’s
3) it benefitted the Liberal Party
4) every new story about it is super vague
6) Justin is looking into how CSIS leaked this vague information to the Globe&Mail
7) the same six paragraphs of vagueness keep getting rewritten in different ways in the same story to fill out 18 paragraph articles, on many different news sites
8) the alleged cat is somewhat out of some form of containment receptacle
9) there’s really not a whole lot of detail about this at this point, but I’m curious
10) I’m fairly certain that much much more is known about this, and also fairly certain that we’re not ever really going to know much about it as the general public
CSIS documents show China warned ‘Canadian friends’ of foreign-interference investigations — The Globe and Mail
Trudeau says he expects an investigation into the source of leaks to The Globe and denies Beijing’s interference in the 2019 and 2021 elections
Reports of China's election interference plans show need for foreign agents registry: Poilievre — National Post
Poilievre accused Trudeau of having attempted to cover up China's interference in Canada's democracy because it benefits the Liberal party
And sat on it .
Burying or buying. Whichever is most convenient.FOIA
Epoch Times had a 2 month head start on CA MSM in exposing this and the Chinese cop shops.
2 months. That is plenty of time for Govt to start burying the truth.
It wasn't necessarily about their party but their culture or race.
NDP's Bonita Zarrillo ousts Conservative incumbent Nelly Shin in Port Moody-Coquitlam
NDP candidate Bonita Zarrillo has won in Port Moody-Coquitlam, ousting former Conservative MP Nelly Shin, according to the CTV News Decision Desk.www.google.com