Yeah, we get it.. you're a coward who is afraid to fight for your freedoms.. people like you should move to Rwanda or Cuba.
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Vimy Ridge Remembered
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When the call came to join the Canadian 4th division in advance of the Vimy offensive, Ironside admits to being unimpressed by his superiors. He was posted along with his bulldog, Gibby, to support a man called Dave Watson, a reservist who, in peacetime, had been managing editor of a conservative Quebec newspaper but had been placed in charge of the 4th division.
In his diary, Ironside gives fascinating insight into the extent to which he helped mould battle tactics. “He knew nothing about training, but accepted the papers I drew up for him,” he wrote. “He was able to understand what I was trying to do and I could make it appear as if it came from him.”
Ironside also describes concerns about the weaponry the Canadian troops received. Each man was given a Ross.303 rifle which proved so unreliable that he noted his troops heading out over No Man’s Land to gather up all the British Lee Enfield Rifles they could. Their shooting, he writes, was eventually bought up to the “highest level of efficiency”.
The forgotten British hero of the Battle of Vimy Ridge
In his diary, Ironside gives fascinating insight into the extent to which he helped mould battle tactics. “He knew nothing about training, but accepted the papers I drew up for him,” he wrote. “He was able to understand what I was trying to do and I could make it appear as if it came from him.”
Ironside also describes concerns about the weaponry the Canadian troops received. Each man was given a Ross.303 rifle which proved so unreliable that he noted his troops heading out over No Man’s Land to gather up all the British Lee Enfield Rifles they could. Their shooting, he writes, was eventually bought up to the “highest level of efficiency”.
The forgotten British hero of the Battle of Vimy Ridge
The Ross Rifles were mostly gone by Vimy. The Snipers held on to them as they were superior in get food. Regular infantry carried the Lee-Enfield
Your quotes are from the Second Battle of Ypres, exactly two years earlier when the newly arrived First Canadian Division doubt heir first battle.
The Canadian Corps training was a decade ahead of that of the British by the time Vimy came along. Soldiers in the Canadian divisions were all "trained up"... privates to take over as Corporals, Corporals to replace fallen Sargeants.(The Canadian army still trains that way) The British were so crippled by the rigidity of their class system that they roundly criticised such ridiculous things as supplying privates with maps ... or even a plan of any kind. After the Somme, the Canadians learned how not to fight battles and they went on to develop our own tactical doctrine.
Your quotes are from the Second Battle of Ypres, exactly two years earlier when the newly arrived First Canadian Division doubt heir first battle.
The Canadian Corps training was a decade ahead of that of the British by the time Vimy came along. Soldiers in the Canadian divisions were all "trained up"... privates to take over as Corporals, Corporals to replace fallen Sargeants.(The Canadian army still trains that way) The British were so crippled by the rigidity of their class system that they roundly criticised such ridiculous things as supplying privates with maps ... or even a plan of any kind. After the Somme, the Canadians learned how not to fight battles and they went on to develop our own tactical doctrine.
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From the Battle of Vimy Ridge, according to the article.
What has never previously been revealed is the extent to which one young British officer orchestrated proceedings.
The key role played by the then 36-year-old lieutenant colonel William Edmund Ironside (who eventually rose to the rank of Field Marshal before retiring in the Second World War) at Vimy Ridge has only emerged through the work of his son, Lord Ironside, who has written a book based on his father’s 75 volumes of previously unseen diaries. His memoirs reveal that he organised training and battle tactics for his superior officers, and transformed the Canadians from a ”kind of gallant, unorthodox and undisciplined mass” into an elite fighting machine.
Whoever wrote it either intentionally or unintentionally bobbled the story. It sounds like Limey propaganda. Ross Rifles were long gone by then. The Canadian divisions was long experienced .. and victorious at Courcelette in the Somme the previous autumn. What that guy wote would have been true in 1915. At Vimy, the weak part of the battle plan was the flanking British who were utterly unable to make any use or advantage of the Canadian success. The British were so unimaginative and hidebound that, in the end, the successful assault went nowhere. The Canadians, though, became the experts at taking "impossible" objectives and their next stop was Passchendaele.
Vimy Ridge Myth #1: Only Canadians fought in the defining battle
Canadians proved themselves, but the battle’s key planners and many staff-trained officers were British—and many British-born infantrymen helped take the ridge, too
J.L. Granatstein
April 4, 2017
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Canadians somehow believe that the capture of Vimy Ridge was planned, directed and fought only by Canadians. The British Expeditionary Force, British officers and British-born soldiers were nowhere to be found as the Canadians stormed and took the Ridge using wholly new Canadian-developed tactics.
Not much of this is true. In the first place, the commander of the Canadian Corps was Lt.-Gen. Sir Julian Byng of the British Army. His key planners, the brigadier-general general staff and the assistant adjutant and quartermaster-general, were all able staff-trained British officers, as were their key subordinates. The main artillery planner was Maj. Alan Brooke, a superb British gunner who would become Winston Churchill’s Chief of the Imperial General Staff in the Second World War and a field marshal. The Vimy plan was Byng’s and the key details of the logistical build-up and the attack plan had been made by Byng’s British staff.
Yes, three of the four Canadian divisions were led by Canadians and, yes, a great many of the Corps’ officers had come from the Canadian militia. All these men had learned their hard trade on the battlefield. But what the Corps did not have was staff-trained officers, graduates of Staff College with years of planning experience. By 1918, the Canadian Expeditionary Force had produced substantial numbers of such officers, but not in April 1917.
Moreover, and contrary to the present-day myth, most of the men in the Canadian Corps at Vimy had been recent British immigrants to Canada. A Sessional Paper presented to the House of Commons showed that to the end of April 1917, 139,345 Canadian-born, English- and French-speaking men were in Britain and France alongside 155,095 British subjects born outside of Canada, as well as a substantial number of Americans and other foreign-born men. The Canadian-born would not constitute a majority of the Canadian Corps until very near the end of the war, after conscription had put 100,000 men into uniform.
To be fair, the tactics used in the set-piece attack on Vimy Ridge were new in some ways. The British Expeditionary Force and the Canadian Corps had learned hard lessons on the Somme in 1916, and the Corps’ senior officers, including Maj.-Gen. Arthur Currie, the commander of the 1st Division, had studied French tactics at Verdun. This led to new developments in the organization of infantry platoons, to the handing of maps and aerial photographs to every level of the infantry battalions, and to a first-rate creeping barrage (to which British heavy artillery contributed) that advanced 60 metres every three minutes. The Canadian Corps used these tactics extremely well at Vimy, and they were certainly among the very best corps in the British Expeditionary Force in employing them. But they were not alone.
The Canadians also developed very effective counter-battery gunnery, taking out the enemy’s guns so they could not halt the attack. The British had been working on this, using observer balloons, aircraft, flash spotting and sound ranging. The Canadians brought these measures to a high level and knocked out 83 per cent of the enemy guns.
Vimy was a great victory for the Canadian Corps, but it was one that could not have been won without the British Army’s enormous contribution.
Vimy Ridge Myth #1: Only Canadians fought in the defining battle - Macleans.ca
I guess that it goes along with the myth that the British were somehow victorious on the Western Front when it was the Canadians and Anzacs that spearheaded the "final push" at the end of the war .. so spent and incompetent were the British forces.
Give me your evidence for this...
... and this.
The fact of the matter is that it was Britain which won WWI. Britain's vast contribution to the Western Front (including the introduction of the tank, which helped break the stalemate in the trenches) and her naval blockade of Germany proved decisive. Had Britain stayed out of the war France would likely have fallen and the Boche would likely have won.
Here's a scary stat: Canada suffered around 100,000 fatalities in WWI and WWII combined.
Britain suffered 744,000 fatalities in WWI alone.
People like you should stay the fuk out of my way, boy.
...on your way to Cuba?
I'm guess you're one of these draft dodgers who ran to Canada..
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Cowards.
Vimy should also be a lesson it is a case where Canadians fought to the death to
take a piece of real estate in a foreign land. When the fight started that day no one
asked another their race, color or creed. For just a moment in time they were
Canadians.
Two world wars saw Canadians do incredible things in far flung places and regardless
of how one feels about war their efforts should be respected and honored.
Vimy is likely the reason we are a country and people seem to forget our roots come
from both sacrifice and achievement. If one does not have a little pride on a day like today
there ain't much hope there will be a touch of pride on any other day.
take a piece of real estate in a foreign land. When the fight started that day no one
asked another their race, color or creed. For just a moment in time they were
Canadians.
Two world wars saw Canadians do incredible things in far flung places and regardless
of how one feels about war their efforts should be respected and honored.
Vimy is likely the reason we are a country and people seem to forget our roots come
from both sacrifice and achievement. If one does not have a little pride on a day like today
there ain't much hope there will be a touch of pride on any other day.
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You mean Engerland won WWI and WWII all by their lonesomes, with no help from nobody?
Wow, big surprise there.