Venezuela? What’s up with that?

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Garbage in, garbage out. Why don’t I just take your exact words from above and throw them into an AI without qualifiers? Just plug in something like:

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Depending on the qualifiers fed into an AI will determine the outcome to the question asked. I just put in your exact words.

If I had qualifiers, I can make Chile come out as the AI’s answer to “which country dominates the world in mining” I’m sure.

Anyway, that’s neither here nor there. Back in North America, with three significant countries making up North America, & many others making up Central and South America…there’s the 800lb gorilla in the room flexing the Monroe Doctrine and threatening its neighbours simultaneously. China is a global player, but it’s not in the neighbourhood directly as a resident of the ‘Western Hemisphere.’
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Tonnage isn't running the show. Period.
 

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Tonnage isn't running the show. Period.
Ok. Saves me from adding qualifiers to show Chile coming out as the AI’s answer to “which country dominates the world in mining” here I guess.
…there’s the 800lb gorilla in the room flexing the Monroe Doctrine and threatening its neighbours simultaneously…
Is this also not relevant? China is a global player, but it’s not in the neighbourhood directly as a resident of the ‘Western Hemisphere.’

Is Canada really ‘running the show’ globally on the mining front? Canada is considered “a” leader in mining diverse minerals sustainably…& that’s not a bad thing, but I don’t think that’s running the show.
 

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Is Canada really ‘running the show’ globally on the mining front? Canada is considered “a” leader in mining diverse minerals sustainably…& that’s not a bad thing, but I don’t think that’s running the show.
We're are to mining as to what Switzerland is to banking.
 

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We're are to mining as to what Switzerland is to banking.
So we own the ground, but not the contents in the ground? As far as sovereignty goes I guess, Secretary of State Marco Rubio is signalling that the U.S. will leave Venezuela’s authoritarian regime in place for the time being, so long as it complies with Washington’s demands to crack down on drug trafficking and make changes to its oil industry.🤔
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A day after the U.S. attacked the South American country and captured its leader, it remained unclear both how exactly Venezuela would be run and what U.S. President Donald Trump’s dramatic turn toward foreign interventionism would mean for his America First administration.
But Mr. Rubio suggested that a “transition to democracy” for Venezuela – or a role for its opposition leaders – would have to wait, and that he would instead deal with President Nicolás Maduro’s subordinates, who appear to remain in control in Caracas.
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In a major snub, Trump said opposition leader Maria Corina Machado, who was awarded last year’s Nobel Peace Prize, didn’t have the support to run the country…as Trump publicly voted her off the non-island. You’re Fired Marie!
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“We are dealing with the immediate reality. The immediate reality is that unfortunately, and sadly, but unfortunately, the vast majority of the opposition is no longer present inside of Venezuela,” he said on NBC’s Meet the Press on Sunday. “We have short-term things that have to be addressed right away.”
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He warned, however, that Venezuela’s leaders would have to follow orders from the U.S. “No more drug trafficking,” he said. “And no more using the oil industry to enrich all our adversaries” instead of Venezuelans or the U.S. decided upon by…?
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…because sovereignty.
At least Venezuela’s newest president (a few days ago she was the vice president) wasn’t sworn in from an American military base in Panama. Delcy Rodríguez, who is next in the presidential line of succession, served as Maduro’s vice president since 2018, overseeing much of Venezuela’s oil-dependent economy as well as its feared intelligence service.

On Saturday, Venezuela’s high court ordered her to assume the role of interim president.
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“She’s essentially willing to do what we think is necessary to make Venezuela great again,” Trump told reporters of Rodríguez, who faced U.S. sanctions during Trump’s first administration for her role in undermining Venezuelan democracy.
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Minutes later, in an appearance on state television surrounded by military brass, Rodríguez called for Maduro’s return from U.S. custody, describing his capture as “barbaric” and a “kidnapping,” and saying Maduro is the country’s only president.
The view in part is that if the democratic opposition were to gain power, it would require U.S. military protection from domestic threats, both from the officials in the former Maduro regime and the paramilitaries and drug cartels that control large parts of Venezuelan territory, particularly its jungles and border regions…but the oil companies? They’ll be fine.
 

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So we own the ground, but not the contents in the ground? As far as sovereignty goes I guess, Secretary of State Marco Rubio is signalling that the U.S. will leave Venezuela’s authoritarian regime in place for the time being, so long as it complies with Washington’s demands to crack down on drug trafficking and make changes to its oil industry.🤔
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A day after the U.S. attacked the South American country and captured its leader, it remained unclear both how exactly Venezuela would be run and what U.S. President Donald Trump’s dramatic turn toward foreign interventionism would mean for his America First administration.
But Mr. Rubio suggested that a “transition to democracy” for Venezuela – or a role for its opposition leaders – would have to wait, and that he would instead deal with President Nicolás Maduro’s subordinates, who appear to remain in control in Caracas.
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In a major snub, Trump said opposition leader Maria Corina Machado, who was awarded last year’s Nobel Peace Prize, didn’t have the support to run the country…as Trump publicly voted her off the non-island. You’re Fired Marie!
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“We are dealing with the immediate reality. The immediate reality is that unfortunately, and sadly, but unfortunately, the vast majority of the opposition is no longer present inside of Venezuela,” he said on NBC’s Meet the Press on Sunday. “We have short-term things that have to be addressed right away.”
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He warned, however, that Venezuela’s leaders would have to follow orders from the U.S. “No more drug trafficking,” he said. “And no more using the oil industry to enrich all our adversaries” instead of Venezuelans or the U.S. decided upon by…?
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…because sovereignty.
At least Venezuela’s newest president (a few days ago she was the vice president) wasn’t sworn in from an American military base in Panama. Delcy Rodríguez, who is next in the presidential line of succession, served as Maduro’s vice president since 2018, overseeing much of Venezuela’s oil-dependent economy as well as its feared intelligence service.

On Saturday, Venezuela’s high court ordered her to assume the role of interim president.
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“She’s essentially willing to do what we think is necessary to make Venezuela great again,” Trump told reporters of Rodríguez, who faced U.S. sanctions during Trump’s first administration for her role in undermining Venezuelan democracy.
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Minutes later, in an appearance on state television surrounded by military brass, Rodríguez called for Maduro’s return from U.S. custody, describing his capture as “barbaric” and a “kidnapping,” and saying Maduro is the country’s only president.
The view in part is that if the democratic opposition were to gain power, it would require U.S. military protection from domestic threats, both from the officials in the former Maduro regime and the paramilitaries and drug cartels that control large parts of Venezuelan territory, particularly its jungles and border regions…but the oil companies? They’ll be fine.
Does Switzerland own the all the money?

Wait 10 minutes and the wind will blow from the other side of Trump's ass after lawyers chew him out.
 

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Venezuela moves to cut oil output due to US export embargo​

By Marianna Parraga
January 4, 20261:42 PM PSTUpdated 4 hours ago

Jan 4 (Reuters) - Venezuela's state-run oil company PDVSA has begun cutting crude production because it is running out of storage capacity due to an ongoing U.S. oil blockade that has reduced exports to zero, piling more pressure on an interim government trying to hang on to power in the face of U.S. threats of more military action.

Caracas is in political crisis under an interim government after President Nicolas Maduro and his wife were captured by U.S. forces on Saturday. The OPEC country's oil exports, its main source of revenue, are now at a standstill following a U.S. blockade on tankers under sanctions and the seizure of two oil cargoes last month.

Chevron's (CVX.N), opens new tab cargoes bound for the U.S. had been an exception, continuing to move, because the company has a license from Washington for its operations. But even those have stopped since Thursday, shipping data showed on Sunday.

As part of his announcement of Maduro's detention and a government transition overseen by the U.S., President Donald Trump said on Saturday that an "oil embargo" on the country was in full force.

PDVSA's move includes shutting down oilfields or well clusters as onshore stocks mount and the company runs out of diluents to blend Venezuela's heavy crude for shipment.

The company requested output cuts to joint ventures including China National Petroleum Corporation's (CNPC) Petrolera Sinovensa, Chevron's Petropiar and Petroboscan and Petromonagas, the sources said. Petromangas, previously operated by PDVSA and Russian state-run Roszarubezhneft, is being run solely by PDVSA.

PDVSA and CNPC did not immediately reply to requests for comment. Chevron said on Sunday it continues to operate "in full compliance with all relevant laws and regulations," without providing details.
Workers at Sinovensa on Sunday were preparing to disconnect up to 10 well clusters at PDVSA's request, one of the sources said, after an over-accumulation of extra heavy crude and a diluents shortage. However, the wells could be quickly reconnected in the future, the person added.

A portion of Sinovensa's oil output is typically delivered to China as debt service payment. But two China-flagged supertankers that were approaching Venezuela to load oil stopped at the end of December, LSEG shipping data showed.

At Petromonagas, workers began reducing output late last week until diluent supplies through pipeline resume, another source said.

On its side, Chevron has not cut product output yet as it has some room to keep storing, particularly at Petropiar, and tankers have not stopped loading. However, its vessels have not left the country's waters since Thursday and storage capacity is limited at Petroboscan, which could ultimately lead to cuts, another source said.
 
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In a telephone interview this morning, President Donald Trump issued a not-so-veiled threat against the new Venezuelan leader, Delcy Rodríguez, saying that “if she doesn’t do what’s right, she is going to pay a very big price, probably bigger than Maduro,” referring to Nicolás Maduro, now residing in a New York City jail cell.

Trump made clear that he would not stand for Rodríguez’s defiant rejection of the armed U.S. intervention that resulted in Maduro’s capture?

During our call, Trump, who had just arrived at his golf club in West Palm Beach Adjacent, was in evident good spirits, and reaffirmed to me that Venezuela may not be the last country subject to American intervention. In his speech hours after invading Venezuela, he did directly threaten Cuba and Mexico and Columbia.
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“We do need Greenland, absolutely,” he said, describing the island—a part of Denmark, a NATO ally—as “surrounded by Russian and Chinese ships.” And in discussing Venezuela’s future, he signaled a clear shift away from his previous distaste for regime change and nation building, rejecting the concerns of many in his MAGA base. “You know, rebuilding there and regime change, anything you want to call it, is better than what you have right now. Can’t get any worse,” he said?

The severe tone he took with Rodríguez contrasted with the praise he had offered her yesterday, hours after U.S.-military forces attacked Caracas and captured Maduro and his wife, Cilia Flores, for criminal prosecution. Trump said in a news conference after the attack that Rodríguez had privately indicated a willingness to work with the United States, which Trump declared would temporarily “run” her country.

“She’s essentially willing to do what we think is necessary to make Venezuela great again,” he said yesterday…Rodríguez rejected that suggestion moments later, declaring that the country is “ready to defend our natural resources” and that the nation’s defense counsel remained prepared to carry out the policies of Maduro, whose return she demanded. “We shall never be a colony ever again,” she said.

The prospect of Maduro’s government continuing to resist the U.S. raised the risk of a protracted fight for control of Venezuela that would require increased U.S.-military involvement and even occupation. Trump yesterday signaled his willingness to order a second wave of military actions in Venezuela, should he deem it necessary.
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(Maduro is no prize either)
 
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During our call, Trump, who had just arrived at his golf club in West Palm Beach Adjacent, was in evident good spirits, and reaffirmed to me that Venezuela may not be the last country subject to American intervention. In his speech hours after invading Venezuela, he did directly threaten Cuba and Mexico and Columbia.
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" If I lived in Havana, and I was in the government, I'd be concerned - at least a little bit," Rubio said. In July last year, Trump signed a memorandum imposing tighter restrictions on Cuba, reversing moves by his predecessor Joe Biden easing pressure on the Caribbean island nation.
The winner of the Nobel peace prize appears to have been sidelined by the US after the removal of President Maduro and her whereabouts are unknown.
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“It’s very, very delicately composed” to not be “overtly critical of Trump,” he added – suggesting Carney may be doing damage control against jeopardizing trade negotiations with his American counterpart. You saw Carney and other European leaders react very carefully in that respect.”
Describing the successful military operation Saturday, Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth introduced another overarching reason. Trump, he said, was “deadly serious about reestablishing American deterrent and dominance in the Western Hemisphere.”

In November, the White House published what it called a “Trump Corollary” to the Monroe Doctrine — a 19th-century document asserting America’s hemispheric dominance — that promised to “restore American ‘preeminence’ in the Western Hemisphere.”

Carolina Jiménez Sandoval, the Venezuelan president of the Washington Office on Latin America, said she could only make sense of Saturday’s stunning events in the context of the new document.

“The idea that you can take the most powerful man in the country and then see him surrendered to U.S. troops sends a very powerful message across Latin America that the U.S. is willing to go through with its threats,” she said. “They’re not saying they’re going to work through alliances; they’re saying they're going to impose their will through any means, including military power.”

Trump, she noted, didn’t mention Venezuelan democracy once in his speech Saturday, and the White House hasn’t signaled that it wishes to replace Maduro with either Edmundo González, the apparent winner of the 2024 election, or María Corina Machado, winner of the Nobel Peace Prize and leader of the country’s opposition movement.

Renata Segura, director of the Latin America and the Caribbean program at the International Crisis Group, said she was particularly worried about what could befall Venezuela if various factions begin vying for power.
The view in part is that if the democratic opposition were to gain power, it would require U.S. military protection from domestic threats, both from the officials in the former Maduro regime and the paramilitaries and drug cartels that control large parts of Venezuelan territory, particularly its jungles and border regions…but the oil companies? They’ll be fine.
“It’s very clear they have not really thought through what could happen next after removing Maduro,” Segura said. “And that’s very disturbing.”
 

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Trump and his top allies suggested that the Venezuelan operation could be the start of efforts to remake the region, warning the governments of Cuba and Colombia that they might be next. Trump and some backers (oil companies?) have also brought up Mexico as a potential target, and they are reviving talk of attempting to acquire Greenland, a Danish territory.
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After announcing Maduro’s capture, Trump boasted of the “Donroe Doctrine,” a twist on the strategy articulated by President James Monroe in 1823 that European powers should stop interfering in the Western Hemisphere. The national security strategy released by the White House in December noted a “Trump Corollary” to the Monroe Doctrine that promised “to protect our homeland and our access to key geographies throughout the region.”
The effort carries significant risks. Washington could get pulled into the nation-building invasions that Trump has long sworn to avoid if the Venezuelan military or people are unwilling to go along with his plans. It also makes it harder for the United States to argue to Russia and China that they should steer clear of their neighbors. And it may reshape global affairs more broadly, as smaller nations that were long dependent on Washington’s guarantees for global trade and stability hedge their bets by building ties elsewhere.

“The goal of the policy is to see changes in Venezuela that are beneficial to the United States first and foremost, because that’s who we work for, but also, we believe, beneficial for the people of Venezuela, who have suffered tremendously,” Secretary of State Marco Rubio told NBC’s “Meet the Press” on Sunday, a day after Trump said U.S. forces were ready to reinvade Venezuela if Maduro’s de facto successor, Delcy Rodríguez, did not comply with his (Trump’s, not America’s) wishes.
 

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I find the image of Danish special forces raiding the White House and capturing Trump quite appealing.
I think their odds would be better with White House Two. Closer to the water.

Jennifer Kavanagh, a senior fellow at Defense Priorities said, “This sort of spectacular operation is very consistent. He likes to hit adversaries that can’t hit back, whether it’s small drug-smuggling boats, or Iran with no air defenses, or Venezuela, which is also weak,” she said. “And to me, that explains the more accommodating approach to Russia and China, in the sense that his view of military power is kind of go big or go home. But that model doesn’t work against Russia and China.”

“It just seems to be back to the 18th and 19th centuries,” said Fiona Hill, an expert at the Brookings Institution who was Trump’s top Russia adviser in his first term. “If you’ve bought into the idea of competition among the great powers and that Russia is another great power that’s inevitably going to dominate in its region, just as China is in its region, then this is the logical conclusion from this?”

Hill said countries that have deep, allied ties to the United States but are threatened by Trump may seek to protect themselves by building trade and security relationships elsewhere, a move that will ultimately weaken Washington, not strengthen it.

The raid has sparked fears elsewhere that Trump could act on other threats toward U.S. neighbors, which have included demands to take over the Panama Canal, to turn Canada into the 51st state, to annex Greenland and to overthrow Cuba’s government.

Trump on Sunday said he didn’t plan action against Havana, but offered tough language nevertheless, and He (Trump, not America) was sharper toward Greenland. U.S. President Donald Trump renewed his calls for an American takeover of Greenland for the sake of U.S. security interests after a military operation captured Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro.

The president’s repeated statements about Greenland drew a sharp response earlier Sunday from Danish Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen. “I have to say this very directly to the United States: It makes absolutely no sense to talk about the need for the United States to take over Greenland,” she said.

In a statement, she said Denmark is a U.S. military ally and that the United States has extensive access to Greenland. “I would therefore strongly urge the United States to stop the threats against a historically close ally and against another country and another people who have said very clearly that they are not for sale,” she said.
Trump’s intention to oversee the governance of Venezuela has rekindled concerns in Denmark that Greenland, an autonomous Danish territory, might face a similar scenario.

“It’s so strategic right now. Greenland is covered with Russian and Chinese ships all over the place,” Trump told reporters on Sunday as he flew back to Washington from his home in Florida. “We need Greenland from the standpoint of national security, and Denmark is not going to be able to do it.

“You know what Denmark did recently to boost up security in Greenland? They added one more dog sled. It’s true. They thought that was a great move.”

(Denmark actually earmarked $4.2 billion of extra defence spending in 2025 to increase security in the Arctic and North Atlantic, including Greenland. An additional $4.5 billion was set to be spent on 16 more F-35 fighter jets from the U.S., reports the BBC.)

Asked during an interview with The Atlantic earlier on Sunday what the U.S. military action in Venezuela could portend for Greenland, Trump replied: “They are going to have to view it themselves. I really don’t know.”

“We do need Greenland, absolutely. We need it for defence,” Trump added. The U.S. consistently leads global military spending, accounting for nearly 40% of the world's total defense expenditure.

“Threats, pressure, and talk of annexation do not belong anywhere between friends,” Greenland Prime Minister Jens-Frederik Nielsen said on Facebook on Sunday. “That’s not how you talk to people who have repeatedly shown responsibility, stability and loyalty.

“Enough is enough. No more pressure. No more hints. No more fantasies about annexation.”
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Are they? And are they? By who’s metrics and in who’s opinion?
Do you think they ( whoever they turns out to be ) are just going to take the oil ? Do you not think they will pay royalties ? Will they not employ miriad of workers refurbishing failing infrastructure? The best thing for Venezuela and Canada is a prosperous oil industry and the cash it brings to the treasury .