Vancouver hammer attacks

[karrie]

Any psycho is mentally ill, they all are, and they may well be retarded but they just might not be. It is impossible to know for sure without watching them closely to see them slip up and let their intelligence slip out. I'm not saying they try and hide it, though some do, but that social misfits often look retarded. I have known a few brilliant psychos that were diagnosed as retarded by professionals. I don't care how much training someone has telling the difference between slow and sociopath can be very difficult; a challenge most people aren't up to.

My tale isn't sad. If I had been on that Grey Hound with the knife guy or in Vancouver with the hammer guy I would have been able to solve the problem with only the psycho getting his. That isn't sad. I feel damn good about that. I see people who have had a "happy story" and they look like they live in a cloud to me. I wouldn't want to live in a place that out of touch with reality.

Retarded means developmentally delayed. Mentally ill means, well, mentally ill. They aren't the same thing Scott. And psychopathic is a diagnosis all its own, which yes would fall under the category of ill, but, being ill doesn't make on psycho. The fact that you can't differentiate between those would explain a LOT as to why you and I don't see eye to eye on this. Mentally ill is not the same as psychotic. Mentally ill can mean a host of different things, and can produce violent tendencies in some of its variations (which, btw, wasn't the issue with my friend), but it doesn't make someone a psycho by any scientific definition of any sort. And adding sociopath into the mix... well... sociopaths blend in and are indiscernible from you Scott. Pointless to sit and discuss it with someone who doesn't understand what any of it actually means.

As for being out of touch with reality... by the time anyone realized and reacted to Tim McLean being attacked he had already received two or three quick knife thrusts to the throat and chest, and the passengers reported being sprayed with blood. He wouldn't have survived, even if you had immediately jumped up and taken action.... all you would have done is blocked the aisle so that anyone behind them couldn't exit, and put more people at risk. But, instead, you have some fantasy about being able to leap up and save the day AND him? I find that... interesting. (she says in her best Freud imitation)

 

[Scott Free]

Retarded means developmentally delayed. Mentally ill means, well, mentally ill. They aren't the same thing Scott. And psychopathic is a diagnosis all its own, which yes would fall under the category of ill, but, being ill doesn't make on psycho. The fact that you can't differentiate between those would explain a LOT as to why you and I don't see eye to eye on this. Mentally ill is not the same as psychotic. Mentally ill can mean a host of different things, and can produce violent tendencies in some of its variations (which, btw, wasn't the issue with my friend), but it doesn't make someone a psycho by any scientific definition of any sort. And adding sociopath into the mix... well... sociopaths blend in and are indiscernible from you Scott. Pointless to sit and discuss it with someone who doesn't understand what any of it actually means.

Well, I'm glad your so skilled at knowing the difference. Good luck with that.

As for being out of touch with reality... by the time anyone realized and reacted to Tim McLean being attacked he had already received two or three quick knife thrusts to the throat and chest, and the passengers reported being sprayed with blood. He wouldn't have survived, even if you had immediately jumped up and taken action.... all you would have done is blocked the aisle so that anyone behind them couldn't exit, and put more people at risk. But, instead, you have some fantasy about being able to leap up and save the day AND him? I find that... interesting. (she says in her best Freud imitation)

I don't know what you think I meant by what I said but you probably got it wrong. I once sat up all night talking a serial rapist out of "going out and finding a girlfriend" at 4am. I knew what the hell he was but no one else in the room did. I stopped him from going out and my friends helped. Later they asked why I had done that. I explained and they were shocked but realized I was right. We had just saved someone. Later the guy confirmed it. He is now in prison.

So yeah, it's my fantasy.

 

[karrie]

Well, I'm glad your so skilled at knowing the difference. Good luck with that.



I don't know what you think I meant by what I said but you probably got it wrong. I once sat up all night talking a serial rapist out of "going out and finding a girlfriend" at 4am. I knew what the hell he was but no one else in the room did. I stopped him from going out and my friends helped. Later they asked why I had done that. I explained and they were shocked but realized I was right. We had just saved someone. Later the guy confirmed it. He is now in prison.

So yeah, it's my fantasy.

No, I knew you had some logic behind thinking you can control your surroundings at all times in all manners.... I just misread what direction. But I find it interesting that you think you'd have had time to evaluate every passenger. I still find it implausible that you think you can keep bad things from ever happening around you. Even if it's that you think you can read minds and personalities to that level, based on one or even a few instances of figuring people out, it's a fantasy Scott.

 

[Scott Free]

No, I knew you had some logic behind thinking you can control your surroundings at all times in all manners....

I never said that. There is only one person here that is maintaining they know everything and that isn't me.

I just misread what direction. But I find it interesting that you think you'd have had time to evaluate every passenger.

I don't evaluate people.

I still find it implausible that you think you can keep bad things from ever happening around you.

"Bad things?' That isn't what I said. I said I knew how to handle psychos from growing up with them.

Even if it's that you think you can read minds and personalities to that level, based on one or even a few instances of figuring people out, it's a fantasy Scott.

Thanks for clearing that up for me. Is that opinion or prophecy oh mighty one?

I wish my opinion was omnipotent like that.

The fact is that I have had hundreds of incidents.

 

[karrie]

I never said that. There is only one person here that is maintaining they know everything and that isn't me.

Oh, I don't claim to know everything... just more than you. ;-)

 

[wallyj]

Oh, I don't claim to know everything... just more than you. ;-)

I like that one... Anyways,it does appear that this man was mentally ill. It is NOT a coincidence that this guy attacked first at a gay bar after the pride parade. He was brought up being taught that gays were evil and to get closer to his paradise,killing gays is an acceptable way. Would any of you tolerant folks want to take a stab at which religion he was a member?

 

[darkbeaver]

I like that one... Anyways,it does appear that this man was mentally ill. It is NOT a coincidence that this guy attacked first at a gay bar after the pride parade. He was brought up being taught that gays were evil and to get closer to his paradise,killing gays is an acceptable way. Would any of you tolerant folks want to take a stab at which religion he was a member?

Anglican?

 

[wallyj]

Anglican?

LOL,but you're wrong.Very good guess though.The anglicans think gays are bad,but they also think killing them is evil.

 

[Nuggler]

LOL,but you're wrong.Very good guess though.The anglicans think gays are bad,but they also think killing them is evil.

Jeebus, Wally, don't leave us hangin here...........What religion??? :blob6:what what!!!!

Guess I could google it...........naw.........

One of the nasty things about getting hit with a hammer, is that all the energy is focused as opposed to diffused (as in a 2x4 across the head)........although that would smart too8O

Getting hit with the little peaner thing on the reverse of the hammer head would be even worse; probably would crack the skull and cause brain damage.........oww.:tard:<<<<wind up lookin like Louie here)

So......................................if I had been there, and had been packin heat (nice term Nugg), Id'a shot the ****er faster'n you could say...................fart.........(for eg.)..........or some other word. Course I woulda yelled "drop the hammer" at the same time I squeezed off the rounds..........gotta be fair, eh!::: But you don't have to stop to check if someone is retarded, or on drugs, or just generally pissed off..........You see someone getting taken out with a hammer, you do something, and that something would include shooting................But that's just me, eh.

 

[Scott Free]

Oh, I don't claim to know everything... just more than you. ;-)

I've had a lot of experience with psychos but I probably haven't watched as much Dr. Phil as you. ;-)

 

[karrie]

I've had a lot of experience with psychos but I probably haven't watched as much Dr. Phil as you. ;-)

ugh.. who on earth watches that crap?

 

[Scott Free]

ugh.. who on earth watches that crap?

OK, I'll bite then, what makes you so much more of an expert on this then?

 

[Scott Free]

Seriously Karrie. You say I'm judging you and being condescending; making presumptions and being patronizing, yet when I say I could have stopped these guys you say I'm fantasizing and that you know more about this then I do.

I would like to know how and why you know more and why I couldn't have done something?

I am fascinated because I have run into this (your claims of my ineptitude) on more than a few occasions and I would really like to know what your basing your opinion on.

 

[karrie]

Seriously Karrie. You say I'm judging you and being condescending; making presumptions and being patronizing, yet when I say I could have stopped these guys you say I'm fantasizing and that you know more about this then I do.

I would like to know how and why you know more and why I couldn't have done something?

I am fascinated because I have run into this (your claims of my ineptitude) on more than a few occasions and I would really like to know what your basing your opinion on.

I'm basing it on the assumption that you wouldn't be interviewing or talking with every last person who ever set foot on a bus you were on. And on the fact that a man running into a restaurant and cranking someone in the head is random enough that no, you probably wouldn't foresee it. I just find it interesting that you think that you're the missing link in why bad things happen to people. With Scott around, nothing bad can happen? I'm not calling you inept... just human.

As for why I know a tad bit about the differences between mental illness and retardation... I don't think I need to even warrant that with a response. It's basic stuff.

 

[Scott Free]

I'm basing it on the assumption that you wouldn't be interviewing or talking with every last person who ever set foot on a bus you were on. And on the fact that a man running into a restaurant and cranking someone in the head is random enough that no, you probably wouldn't foresee it. I just find it interesting that you think that you're the missing link in why bad things happen to people. With Scott around, nothing bad can happen? I'm not calling you inept... just human.

So you can't imagine it? That's your argument.

As for why I know a tad bit about the differences between mental illness and retardation... I don't think I need to even warrant that with a response. It's basic stuff.

My aunt worked with the mentally retarded for years. She stopped when a fellow worker was stabbed to death. It was discovered that the "mentally challenged" person was actually "mentally ill." She told me that was common and she had a list of people she was concerned about in terms of her safety. This was before the murder. It has been my experience that it is common to mistake psychotic people as retarded because they often exhibit mental disabilities. My parents ran group homes for some of the worst kids in BC. I grew up around these teenagers and got to understand them very well. Some were brilliant, some were idiots but almost all of them were psycho which was why they were in the home. I got to see proffesionals work with these kids and see the results and I was never impressed. It seemed to me they were missing some pretty fundamental points. I learnt how to deal with them on my own out of nesscecity. So yeah, I have quit a bit of confidence in my ability to deal with these sort of sh*t heads.

 

[L Gilbert]

I think it was a major blunder to get rid of the mental institutions. People with Downe's Syndrome are ok in public, some work in the town nearby, but I've met a few people that I would consider a danger to themselves or others and they just wander about in public.

 

[talloola]

I think it was a major blunder to get rid of the mental institutions. People with Downe's Syndrome are ok in public, some work in the town nearby, but I've met a few people that I would consider a danger to themselves or others and they just wander about in public.

I agree with you gil, as, it is pathetic that many mentally challenged people are wandering
around the east end of vancouver amongst the drunks and the drug addicts and others.
They all should have a place to stay, and institution as they had before, 'riverview', and such, sure there were problems in those places, but, just fix the problems, don't kick
them all out onto the street, or with relatives or family who don't have the capabilites
to care for them.
There seems to be manhy people who, 'just don't act normal', just as was explained about the man who murdered the poor guy on the bus, and it is definitely a grey area, as,
it's a shame something horrible has to happen, as a result of the actions of these sorts,
and nothing 'before' the fact. I certainly don't have the answer, and I guess we just have
to live with the risk.

 

[Nuggler]

I think it was a major blunder to get rid of the mental institutions. People with Downe's Syndrome are ok in public, some work in the town nearby, but I've met a few people that I would consider a danger to themselves or others and they just wander about in public.

Mike Harris and the cons did the same thing in Ont. Now, a few years later, the institutions are being shut and workers laid off...................Probably what it was all about in the first place.

Your health care dollars at work

:idea:

 

[karrie]

So you can't imagine it? That's your argument.

Okay Scott.... if you think you can foresee random attacks wherever you're at... then I guess you can foresee random attacks. Everyone's safe so long as Scott's around. I'm not about to argue with you about your abilities anymore.

 

[Praxius]

Edited: Brain Fart

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