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US vetoes UN resolution condemning ethnic cleansing
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ROFLMFAO..... YOU are great beav, right up there with Martin and Williams. You really should take your act on the road. |You could make hundreds.
Yes, to anyone that reads history instead of hunts Jews....it is mostly Stalin's fault........
Oh, and who liberated the vast majority of concentration camps built by the Germans???? Here's a clue.........they were eastern Germany....and points east of that...
Soviet Russia and Israel were hardly on good terms, Russia being another one of those Jew-hating places..........but I could see a monument to the liberation of concentration camps that honoured the Red Army.
I assume that's what it is, I actually don't know what you are on about....
Link?
The veto'd resolution is about these Israeli crimes:
2 Aug. '09: Two Palestinian families evicted from Sheikh Jarah; settlers move into their homes
On 2 August 2009, the police evicted two Palestinian families from their houses in the Sheikh Jarah neighborhood of East Jerusalem : the extended Hanun family, 17 members who lived in three apartments, and the extended Alghawi family, 29 members who lived in six apartments. Immediately following the eviction, settler families took over the houses under heavy police guard. The evicted families refuse to be removed from the neighborhood and have stayed in the street since then.
Several of the Hanun family members in the street after the eviction. Photo: Kareem Jubran, B'Tselem, 5 Aug. '09.
The two families are the descendents of refugee families from 1948, the Hanun family from Haifa , and the Alghawi family from Sarfarand (Tzrifin). These families were part of a group of 28 families, which now amount to 550 persons, who were settled in the neighborhood in 1956 by the Jordanian government and UNRWA.
The eviction followed the Israeli Supreme Court's determination that the families were living in property belonging to the Jewish community that lived close to the tomb of Simon the Just until the 1930s. This property is registered to the name of the Sephardic Community Committee and the Knesset Israel Committee. These committees transferred their rights in the land to the Nahalat Shimon settlers' organization, which has been engaged over the past decade in evacuating Palestinian families in the neighborhood from their homes, and holds five other compounds in the neighborhood....
B'Tselem - East Jerusalem - 2 Aug. '09: Two Palestinian families evicted from Sheikh Jarah; settlers move into their homes
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These evictions only go in one direction. I've never heard of a Jewish family getting the same treatment for taking over a Palestinian home. If this was fair, then millions of Palestinians should get their property back too.
Israel is using whatever excuse they can to remove Palestinians from their homes and awarding them to immigrants who belong to the right religion.
That's just what's happening in cities like East Jerusalem. But all Palestinians are vulnerable to loosing their property to the Zionist state throughout the West bank.
Here is another example:
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Discover Bil'in
Bil’in is a Palestinian village that is struggling to exist. It is fighting to safeguard its land, its olive trees, its resources… its liberty.
By annexing close to 60% of Bil’in land for Israeli settlements and the construction of Israel’s separation wall, the state of Israel is strangling the village. Every day it destroys a bit more, creating an open air prison for Bil’in’s inhabitants.
Supported by Israeli and international activists, Bil’in residents peacefully demonstrate every Friday in front of the “work-site of shame”. And every Friday the Israeli army responds with violence, both physically and psychologically.
Bil’in residents have continued to withstand these injustices despite the frequent night raids of Israeli soldiers in the town followed by an increasing number of arrests of inhabitants and of activists. But now, the army has toughened the oppression by systematically arresting members of the Bil’in committee in charge of organizing the non-violent resistance actions. The aim of the arrests is to discourage Bil’in residents and reduce their resistance to the occupation.
By supporting Bil’in, you will help its inhabitants to continue their struggle and maintain hope in their fight for liberty. This site is dedicated to all people of good will - Palestinian, Israeli and the internationals who fight side by side against the injustices endured by the people of Bil’in.
Bil’in, an example of the injustice inflicted on Palestine
It is important to realize that what is going on in Bil’in is emblematic of the situation in all of Palestine:
eao: What's interesting about Bi'lin is how the people are fighting back. They are using non-violent means:
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The Palestinian popular resistance movement is suffering from the ongoing violence of both the Israeli occupation forces and the settlers. The Israeli authorities want to crush the non-violent struggle and to break the unity created among Palestinians, Israelis and Internationals, who for more than four years have been demonstrating together in Bilin, Nilin and other occupied villages, exerting their legitimate right to defend their land against further colonization and to struggle for the full restitution of the land annexed by Israel, disregarding international obligations and violating human rights.
In the past months we have seen an escalation of systematic arrests and kidnappings of activists in the movement by the Israeli army. This week, non-violent leaders from the West Bank village of Bilin and Al Masara have been arrested for peacefully demonstrating against Israeli separation wall and are still being held in prison.
Faced with this painful reality, the Palestinian people are committed to continuing and developing their non-violent popular struggle. This struggle has become an emblematic example not only for Palestinians but also for activists worldwide who fight for freedom, justice and self-determination. Last December, the Bil'in Popular Committee was awarded the 2008 Human Rights Medal of the International League of Human Rights in Germany.
2 Aug. '09: Two Palestinian families evicted from Sheikh Jarah; settlers move into their homes
On 2 August 2009, the police evicted two Palestinian families from their houses in the Sheikh Jarah neighborhood of East Jerusalem : the extended Hanun family, 17 members who lived in three apartments, and the extended Alghawi family, 29 members who lived in six apartments. Immediately following the eviction, settler families took over the houses under heavy police guard. The evicted families refuse to be removed from the neighborhood and have stayed in the street since then.
Several of the Hanun family members in the street after the eviction. Photo: Kareem Jubran, B'Tselem, 5 Aug. '09.
The two families are the descendents of refugee families from 1948, the Hanun family from Haifa , and the Alghawi family from Sarfarand (Tzrifin). These families were part of a group of 28 families, which now amount to 550 persons, who were settled in the neighborhood in 1956 by the Jordanian government and UNRWA.
The eviction followed the Israeli Supreme Court's determination that the families were living in property belonging to the Jewish community that lived close to the tomb of Simon the Just until the 1930s. This property is registered to the name of the Sephardic Community Committee and the Knesset Israel Committee. These committees transferred their rights in the land to the Nahalat Shimon settlers' organization, which has been engaged over the past decade in evacuating Palestinian families in the neighborhood from their homes, and holds five other compounds in the neighborhood....
B'Tselem - East Jerusalem - 2 Aug. '09: Two Palestinian families evicted from Sheikh Jarah; settlers move into their homes
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These evictions only go in one direction. I've never heard of a Jewish family getting the same treatment for taking over a Palestinian home. If this was fair, then millions of Palestinians should get their property back too.
Israel is using whatever excuse they can to remove Palestinians from their homes and awarding them to immigrants who belong to the right religion.
That's just what's happening in cities like East Jerusalem. But all Palestinians are vulnerable to loosing their property to the Zionist state throughout the West bank.
Here is another example:
>>>
Discover Bil'in
Bil’in is a Palestinian village that is struggling to exist. It is fighting to safeguard its land, its olive trees, its resources… its liberty.
By annexing close to 60% of Bil’in land for Israeli settlements and the construction of Israel’s separation wall, the state of Israel is strangling the village. Every day it destroys a bit more, creating an open air prison for Bil’in’s inhabitants.
Supported by Israeli and international activists, Bil’in residents peacefully demonstrate every Friday in front of the “work-site of shame”. And every Friday the Israeli army responds with violence, both physically and psychologically.
Bil’in residents have continued to withstand these injustices despite the frequent night raids of Israeli soldiers in the town followed by an increasing number of arrests of inhabitants and of activists. But now, the army has toughened the oppression by systematically arresting members of the Bil’in committee in charge of organizing the non-violent resistance actions. The aim of the arrests is to discourage Bil’in residents and reduce their resistance to the occupation.
By supporting Bil’in, you will help its inhabitants to continue their struggle and maintain hope in their fight for liberty. This site is dedicated to all people of good will - Palestinian, Israeli and the internationals who fight side by side against the injustices endured by the people of Bil’in.
Bil’in, an example of the injustice inflicted on Palestine
It is important to realize that what is going on in Bil’in is emblematic of the situation in all of Palestine:
- The occupation of Palestine by the Israeli armed forces was condemned by United Nations’ Resolution 242, and by the International Court of Justice (ICJ).
- The colonization of Palestinian lands, whether dubbed legal or illegal by Israel, was also condemned by UN Resolutions 242 and 338.
- The construction of the Wall and annexation of lands to be converted into military zones are also condemned by the UN and the International Court of Justice (ICJ).
- According to the UN, the presence of armed forces on a foreign territory, which the village of Bil’in is experiencing, is an illicit situation punishable by an international military intervention (as in Kuwait in 1991), as well as being a violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention.
- Armed repression during the demonstrations in Bil’in, equally prohibited by all international courts and bodies, is a violation of human rights, and is also prohibited by the Fourth Geneva Convention.
- All forms of collective punishments are punishable, according to the Fourth Geneva Convention, and are considered as war crimes by the UN.
eao: What's interesting about Bi'lin is how the people are fighting back. They are using non-violent means:
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The Palestinian popular resistance movement is suffering from the ongoing violence of both the Israeli occupation forces and the settlers. The Israeli authorities want to crush the non-violent struggle and to break the unity created among Palestinians, Israelis and Internationals, who for more than four years have been demonstrating together in Bilin, Nilin and other occupied villages, exerting their legitimate right to defend their land against further colonization and to struggle for the full restitution of the land annexed by Israel, disregarding international obligations and violating human rights.
In the past months we have seen an escalation of systematic arrests and kidnappings of activists in the movement by the Israeli army. This week, non-violent leaders from the West Bank village of Bilin and Al Masara have been arrested for peacefully demonstrating against Israeli separation wall and are still being held in prison.
Faced with this painful reality, the Palestinian people are committed to continuing and developing their non-violent popular struggle. This struggle has become an emblematic example not only for Palestinians but also for activists worldwide who fight for freedom, justice and self-determination. Last December, the Bil'in Popular Committee was awarded the 2008 Human Rights Medal of the International League of Human Rights in Germany.
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nope...sorry...this doesn't qualify as ethnic cleansing. Qualifies as illegal under international law, and classifies those doing it as complete assholes..... but not what you are accusing them of. What threads like this do though, is show that in reality, you are no different than those you rail against. Congratulations, you have now become your enemy.
Israeli nationalism and Palestinian nationalism are incompatible. One will prevail and the other will fade away. All of the opportunities for peace have come and gone. Israelis want land and Palestinians want dead Jews.
Very good gerry, a sense of humour in times of adversity is very important. You know what they say about laughing last though.
For an alleged "historian" you sure know **** all about Soviet history and the movers and shakers.
You're right Colpy slaughtering and raping their way across Eastern Europe and then occupying sizable chunks of Western Europe in the name of "liberating" them into communism was a wonderful and worthy of a place among the Saints.
Stalin the Christian loving guy he was even created The Jewish Autonomous Province. Which parts of the Soviet Union were set aside for and controlled by the Roman and Greek Catholics and the Orthodox people or even those Godless Muzzies?
If you look you'll find your own ****ing link but it won't be to a Western news source because honouring the Red Army is something that would really really really really piss a lot of those off who spent their entire lives re-cooperating or defending their nations from the atrocities of such a wonderful organization as the Soviet Red Army.
If the Christians in L'vov set up a memorial for Hitler for purifying their region from Jews they'd get nuked.
Thanks for the news. Israel is incompatible with all other nations. Israel versus the Planet. There isn't many rounds left in that fight. It won't be the first time they've faded away will it?
How about religious cleansing then? The people loosing their homes aren't Jews. The ones getting their homes are Jews. That's the only factor which determines which people loose their homes and which people get their homes. We are talking about the state seizing the property and homes of thousands of people each year. Over time, every non Jew in Jerusalem will loose their home to a Jewish colonist and the West Bank will turn into a series of open air Gaza like prisons.
I don't support this activity by any label. It sounds like you don't either. I support Canada being even handed regarding this conflict. Canada should condemn all international lawlessness, war crimes and crimes against humanity. Instead our government has sided with one side's criminals and unshakably supports their cruelty, injustice and oppression.
Canadians should not elect anyone who opposes freedom and democracy when it counts to lead our country.
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What I oppose, is fear mongering by morons like yourself. Full out lying in opening statements and thread titles. That's what I oppose.
Thank you once again for demonstrating so thoroughly your lack of knowledge, your inability to debate or discuss things rationally, your hatred of Jews, and your tenuous grip on reality.
First of all, I did not say the Soviets "liberated" eastern Europe, I said they liberated the concentration camps. Exchanging one murderous occupation for another is not liberation.....being saved from certain death in an extermination camp is liberation..........everything is relative.
Learn to read.
Oh, and only you would think that shipping Jews to a region in Siberia to separate their dangerous religion and Zionism from the civilized people of the earth....only you would think that was Stalin being benevolent.
It is just too funny....you should take that show on the road. Seriously. Except you'd probably get arrested and hauled before some ridiculous HRC.
Roman and Greek Catholics should thank God they were spared such "benevolence"!
As for the monument in Israel to the Red Army, I have only your word such a thing even exists!!!!
You are going to have to prove fear mongering. What did I say you had to fear?
As far as the opening statement is concerned, in my opinion, what Israel does qualifies as ethnic cleansing:
Ethnic Cleansing definition:
the mass expulsion and killing of one ethnic or religious group in an area by another ethnic or religious group in that area
In my opinion dozens of people loosing the their homes and property counts as a mass expulsion. We are talking about millions of Palestinians who will loose their land/livelihood and tens of thousands who will loose their homes. Sounds like a mass expulsion to me.
The criteria which determines who looses their home and who gets their home is 100% based on religion. Sure sounds like a religious based mass expulsion to me.
If you don't think that what Israel does is ethnic cleansing, then that would be your opinion, not a lie.
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The U.N. resolution you have linked to says nothing about condemning ethnic cleansing by Israel. So your thread title is an out right lie. Pretty sad that your hatred for a people requires you to lie.
Camps or no camps there is zero worth memorializing when it comes to the Red Army and it justifies NOTHING!!!
No Jews ever suffered at the hands of the Red Army over 62 years of totalitarian oppression or during prior two years of the Revolution? It was just Christians and Muslims slaughtered and worked to death from 1919 to 1991?
Should we build one in Ottawa too?
How about Washington?
How about memorial for Batista in Miami?
In case you still didn't bother to research it....
Not just a Red Army memorial but making a piece of Jerusalem sovereign Russian soil?
**** me with a bloody hammer and sickle.
The resolution condemns Israeli settlement building in the West bank as an obstacle to peace. IMO, Israeli settlement building (the obstacle to peace) involves the mass expulsion of non-Jews to accommodate Jews through ethnic cleansing. Sure my opinion is reflected in the title. You are welcome to start your own thread based on your opinion.
I hate oppression, injustice, war crimes and crimes against humanity. I have nothing against anyone based on their religion or nationality, including Jews and Israelis. I've condemned the war criminals on both sides of this conflict repeatedly regardless of their religion or nationality (or lack of nationality), unlike our politicians who only condemn one side's war criminals, rather than both.
If you think being against dragging a family out of homes and tossing them on the street because they don't practice the state approved religion proves I'm against a specific religion rather than injustice, then you are a prime example of why the State of Israel can get away with this activity.
This is about oppression and injustice and if you can't see that, well I feel sorry that you are so blind.
But I do congratulate your success in turning this thread into a personal attack against me, and diverting people's attention from the inherit duplicity of the US regarding freedom and justice which blocks the Palestinians from pursuing justice and freedom by legal means.
Since Palestinians have exhausted every legal, non-violent means for a just peace, that pretty much leaves them one option: War!
BTW, that's just an observation and a prediction, not a call for violence.
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Spin it all you want. The thread title is a lie, and one more example of how you lie, twist, and spin in your over the top hatred of Israel and the Jewish people.
As for condemning only one side rather than both, your condemnation of Hamas has been all but non existent. It has come with caveats, unlike your condemnation of Israel. So that would make, IMNSHO, another example of your lieing and twisting.
I'm not hostile to Israel at all. I'm not hostile to the Palestinians at all. They have a problem with each other. It is up to them to solve it. Further outside intervention is counterproductive.
Why does America or Canada have a right to exist? Both countries have more land than they can use. Why should they not share it with other peoples?
We'll see how well Hamas does in the elections come September. If Israel makes an effort for there not to be a Hamas by issuing a moratorium on building settlements in the occupied regions brings that about then so be it.
The elections of a real government in Palestine is in the hands of the Knesset and Israeli military. They can continue to destroy Palestinian infrastructure, education and family life creating hate among the Palestinians.
They were a modest bunch who enjoyed western style influence of education, entertainment, clothing with Christian and Muslim kid's going to school and playing together.
The division and conquer of the Christian and Muslim Palestinians is what put militants like PLO and Hamas into power.
Israel was successful in driving the Christians out of Israel and Palestine into Lebanon, Egypt Turkey and even Iraq.
That obvious intolerance for Christians left only the hardcore Muslims and threw off the hopes of there ever being a strong Christian presence in the Palestinian political structure in what is also every bit the Christian Holy land as well
If some Christian sacred sites weren't in Palestine and just as import to Islam the "wiping of Christianity off the map" would be complete in the Holy land.
The elections of a real government in Palestine is in the hands of the Knesset and Israeli military. They can continue to destroy Palestinian infrastructure, education and family life creating hate among the Palestinians.
They were a modest bunch who enjoyed western style influence of education, entertainment, clothing with Christian and Muslim kid's going to school and playing together.
The division and conquer of the Christian and Muslim Palestinians is what put militants like PLO and Hamas into power.
Israel was successful in driving the Christians out of Israel and Palestine into Lebanon, Egypt Turkey and even Iraq.
That obvious intolerance for Christians left only the hardcore Muslims and threw off the hopes of there ever being a strong Christian presence in the Palestinian political structure in what is also every bit the Christian Holy land as well
If some Christian sacred sites weren't in Palestine and just as import to Islam the "wiping of Christianity off the map" would be complete in the Holy land.
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