US Government is Closed!

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And now for some real news..

U.S. government shutdown stokes Republican party civil war

As it turned out, the Tea Party wasn’t much of a threat to anyone during the 2012 elections. Boehner returned as Speaker, got muscular and stripped some dissidents of committee positions. The Tea Party caucus in Congress actually shrank, and even went dormant for several months.

But under the implacable guidance of Rep. Michele Bachmann, they re-formed, more hardcore than ever, and with deep-pocketed outside help, staged a party takeover.

Their power is the absolute power to obstruct. There are more than 40 of them in the House, and together, they can deny Boehner the 218 votes necessary to accomplish anything in the 435-seat chamber.

They’ve humiliated their Speaker repeatedly, forcing him to abandon compromise positions and withdraw legislation he’d introduced. They’ve questioned his conservatism, and called him “petty and vindictive.”

And now, having brushed Boehner aside, they’ve cut off government funding because President Obama won’t eviscerate his Affordable Care Act – Obamacare – which has been the law of the land for nearly four years.

Boehner, thoroughly whipped, has fallen into line.

With nearly a million public servants effectively laid off, he now travels, often alone, from one microphone to the next, declaring that House Republicans have actually worked to keep government open and that it was Obama and the Democrats who orchestrated the shutdown.

Cracking in plain sight

It’s a ridiculous claim, and Boehner looks undignified and diminished making it.

The party’s establishment regards all this as appallingly stupid politics. And now, the Republican congressional caucus is cracking in plain sight.

Its non-Tea-Party majority, for years terrified into silence by Tea Party threats in their home districts, can still read a poll. And polls say most Americans think it’s wrong to shut down the government, lunacy to force a default on America’s debts.

News websites are now tallying the number of Republicans who have stated they would join with the 200 House Democrats and reopen the government, no strings attached.

On Thursday, the Washington Post had 19 Republicans ready to vote yes and four leaning towards yes. The Huffington Post had 20 in the yes column.

“Enough is enough,” Rep. Jon Runyan told a hometown newspaper, the Burlington County Times.

Pete King, the New York Republican leading the yes-vote crowd, is on TV every day, calling the Tea Party’s tactics “governmental terrorism,” and denouncing one of its leaders, Republican senator Ted Cruz, as a “fraud.”

It’s obvious: if even 20 Republicans are willing to join 200 Democrats and vote yes - never mind all the Republicans who would love to see the shutdown end just as long as they can vote no and protect themselves from Tea Party retaliation - that means the will of a majority in the House of Representatives is to reopen government without conditions.

A miserable position to be in

Conveniently, the Senate has provided the House with just such a bill.

It is the sole prerogative of John Boehner to put that bill to a vote. So far, he’s refused. Obama has taken to pointing that out, declaring that Boehner “is afraid of his own extremists.”

The Speaker, generally regarded here as a courtly, establishment man, is in a miserable position. This is the moment Tea Partiers have sought for years: for the next two weeks, as the debt ceiling deadline approaches, they have the spotlight, and, they believe, leverage vastly out of proportion to their numbers.

But as both Wall Street and the Treasury are already warning, even the prospect of a default will disrupt the economy. Actually allowing it would be calamitous.

If Boehner does call the vote, he effectively declares war on the Tea Party and their powerful, ultraconservative, special-interest allies.

The internecine Republican warfare is widely described here as a fight between “moderates” and the party’s “right.” That’s a dimwitted choice of words.

The Republican party has long since banished its true moderates, and moved further to the right. This is in fact a war between a right-wing caucus and its far-right ideologues.

“I’m absolutely thrilled,” said Michelle Bachmann earlier this week, as the clock ticked toward shutdown. “This is exactly what we had hoped for."

U.S. government shutdown stokes Republican party civil war: Neil Macdonald - World - CBC News
 

EagleSmack

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No, based upon the responses from the people that were asked. The people of the good old United Stupid of America! The same people that re-elected the morons who mortgaged another trillion bucks to pay a bunch of wealthy bankers and then kept all their money in those same banks who stole 30-50% of their pensions.

But it was a comedy skit. Where are the ones that answered correctly? On the edit room floor no doubt. They take the dumbest answers and put them all together so people can laugh. You know how comedy skits work don't you?

FAIL

I can see maybe letting big corps or unions opt to go with private insurance if they can get a cheaper deal as long as they provide it to all employees.

No negotiations! That is what the Dems are saying.

. It's the middle class usually without insurance, they fall between all these program I mentioned and cannot afford insurance. In many many cases alot of these are young people that don't even want it.

Well now they're going to get it or face hefty fines if they don't.

The poor, lower middle class, and many seniors have no insurance or too little insurance.

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Another Gopherism.

The poor are covered 100% as they always have been.

Lower middle class will be forced to buy... and join the ranks of the poor...or just become poor full time and get it all for free.

Many seniors don't have it? Oh cut the s***. Typical tard making it all up as he goes.
 

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But it was a comedy skit. Where are the ones that answered correctly? On the edit room floor no doubt. They take the dumbest answers and put them all together so people can laugh. You know how comedy skits work don't you?
Of course the ones that answered correctly hit the cutting room floor. Point is they found plenty that are uninformed or just plain stupid.

No negotiations! That is what the Dems are saying.
They won't negotiate anything into the budget bill. The Reps are holding the budget up to get changes ina different law. That isn't the process. They can introduce a bill to amend the AHA and send it through congress and the senate and on to the Prez. That is the process. The GOP is at fault here, they should pass a clean budget and then go about trying to pass a bill for amending the act or work on taking over congress and the WH next elections. Follow the process instead of grandstanding and holding the budget hostage.
 

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Of course the ones that answered correctly hit the cutting room floor. Point is they found plenty that are uninformed or just plain stupid.

Well finding stupid people isn't hard at all.


They won't negotiate anything into the budget bill. The Reps are holding the budget up to get changes ina different law. That isn't the process. They can introduce a bill to amend the AHA and send it through congress and the senate and on to the Prez. That is the process. The GOP is at fault here, they should pass a clean budget and then go about trying to pass a bill for amending the act or work on taking over congress and the WH next elections. Follow the process instead of grandstanding and holding the budget hostage.

Well it is the process. Don't tell me you've never heard of members of congress attaching riders that have nothing to do with a bill or budget.

I assure you that if the GOP attached a rider that made Obamacare stronger the Dems would pass it right away. Do you think they wouldn't?
 

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Told you they were nasty... they even admit to it...

Reid apologizes for nasty tone on Senate floor - Washington Times

"The Nevada Democrat said the chamber has “lost the aura” of Sen. Robert C. Byrd, the long-time lawmaker from West Virginia who was seen as a keeper of the chamber’s traditions."

You mean the former Exalted Cyclops of the KKK?

Rules that prohibit members from impugning each other’s motives or conduct.
Because that sh*t never happens in politics. :roll:

I don't see a problem with calling a spade a spade!
 

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White House asking for sad shutdown stories

“How has the government shutdown affected you?”

That's the question posted Thursday at 7:50 p.m. on the White House blog by Nathaniel Lubin, acting director of digital strategy for the Obama administration.

Don’t forget that at the top of the blog, a handy little disclaimer notes that “due to Congress’s failure to pass legislation to fund the government, the information on this web site may not be up to date.”

Looks like it’s perfectly up to date.

Also remember that Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., won't bring up any resolutions that would fund government programs such as national parks and veterans' services.


So, while hundreds of thousands of Americans are furloughed for being “non-essential,” the White House has found asking for their stories to be “essential.”


White House asking for sad shutdown stories | WashingtonExaminer.com
 

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White House asking for sad shutdown stories

“How has the government shutdown affected you?”

That's the question posted Thursday at 7:50 p.m. on the White House blog by Nathaniel Lubin, acting director of digital strategy for the Obama administration.

Don’t forget that at the top of the blog, a handy little disclaimer notes that “due to Congress’s failure to pass legislation to fund the government, the information on this web site may not be up to date.”

Looks like it’s perfectly up to date.

Also remember that Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., won't bring up any resolutions that would fund government programs such as national parks and veterans' services.


So, while hundreds of thousands of Americans are furloughed for being “non-essential,” the White House has found asking for their stories to be “essential.”


White House asking for sad shutdown stories | WashingtonExaminer.com

I am sure this fella is just in tears.
John Boehner Again - Emotional, Sensitive, Drunk, Crying Melody - YouTube
 

PoliticalNick

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“How has the government shutdown affected you?”
It has staved off the boredom of being trapped on the couch with concussion and spinal injury. :smile:

So, while hundreds of thousands of Americans are furloughed for being “non-essential,” the White House has found asking for their stories to be “essential.”
Things seem to going along well without them. I'm thinking it might be a good idea to just let them go permanently and save all that money. ;-)
 

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It has staved off the boredom of being trapped on the couch with concussion and spinal injury. :smile:


Things seem to going along well without them. I'm thinking it might be a good idea to just let them go permanently and save all that money. ;-)

The real game was the debt ceiling and a deal. Cruz - Rubio fuked it up.
 

PoliticalNick

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Just think....800,000 employees at about $60k average salary...thats $48 billion/yr in savings.

with those savings they could pay off the national debt......in 354years 8O
 

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I have no clue which country you live in, but it's not the United States to make these comments, or you just have some ****ed up agenda in your head. You're going to tell me that you never hear of Medicaid? Medicaid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Medicare? Medicare (United States) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Childrens Health Program? State Children's Health Insurance Program - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Hey genius - see this:



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+1


#15Re: King Obama: “I Should Not Have To Offer Anything” To GOP…

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What is needed is not just non conservatives elected but non cons who will actually do something for the citizens they were elected by..........



A 2007 study by Harvard researchers found 62% of bankruptcies filed in the U.S. were for medical reasons. Of those, 78% had medical insurance.



Study Links Medical Costs and Personal Bankruptcy - Businessweek__________________________








I worked in the tax field long enough to see dozens of cases where people became bankrupt for lack of adequate insurance. This has been discussed enough times on this forum and if you got your head out of your butt you would have known this by now.

eagle,

Another Gopherism.

The poor are covered 100% as they always have been.



Then explain why so many go bankrupt due to lack of adequate insurance, genius.

Shut your trap and tell everyone here how much your Insurance has been increased by, or you're one of those welfare bums everyone else has to compensate for or a senate member that everyone else has to compensate for..



Hey genius, I don't work for a Fortune 500 company and have to pay my own insurance.