Upcoming gun bill ‘scaring the hell out of the Liberal caucus

[justlooking]

I wonder if the Liberal party knew that Trudeau was devoid of substance before they proposed he should run for the leadership?
Either way, it doesn't speak well about them.

Of course they knew. Everyone who wasn't fawning over his hair like a starstruck teenage girl could see it. Butts is there because Butts is running the country. Tater tot is just window dressing.

Too many people weren't able to see past the hair and the virtue signaling idiocy. Or they were just tired of fairly competent management under Harper.

Truth is, either way, it doesn't speak well about US as voters.

I knew that he wasn't really political material. He had been around that most of his life, but never jumped in until he was approached by the Liberal party. I don't know what red flags he raised. Virtually no one paid any attention to him prior to the election.

I would disagree. Butts knew he could ride his shiny little pony into power, with the name and the hair. It was just a question of timing. After Iggy the disaster in 2011, it was a bit early, but if Garneau or someone else ran and won, he could have been leader for 5 - 7 years, and then Justin would have started to look like spilled milk, because his drama and substitute career choices would have
looked funny for a party leader.

I wondered if the party truly knew how much he was like his mother. As I said in another post, you would think so, but I believe that Justin has surprised the party executive with his strange behaviour and uncoordinated public talk. After the India fiasco, you would think that they would come down hard on him. Basically, appoint a babysitter.

Meh. His supporters think the suns shines from his ass, and can't do anything wrong.

Normal people didn't vote for him in 2015, won't in 2019. So the Liberals don't pander to people with brains.

That leaves the mushy middle, the ones with 30 second attention spans, and still have damp panties.

And then of course you have the problem that there is no real opposition in the CPC. Justin-lite ain't gonna cut it.

Will be real interesting to see how Ford does in Ontario. might open a few eyes.

What's stopping a Liberal MP to just sit as an independent?

Re-election and a better pension.

 

[Hoid]

10,000 words on a secret agenda.

Thats quite a secret.

 

[Murphy]

I would disagree. Butts knew he could ride his shiny little pony into power, with the name and the hair. It was just a question of timing. After Iggy the disaster in 2011, it was a bit early, but if Garneau or someone else ran and won, he could have been leader for 5 - 7 years, and then Justin would have started to look like spilled milk, because his drama and substitute career choices would have looked funny for a party leader.

They knew that his name had a lot of drawing power, but the more I think about it, the more I believe that the Liberal executive didn't realize exactly how much of simpleton he is. I am still wondering why they let him do some of the things he does. The outfits Justin and Sophie bought for their trip must have raised a few heads with the Liberal exec. I do not believe he has the parts to dictate to the senior Liberals how he intends to deport himself.

I believe that the voters were duped. I do not hold them responsible. Certainly, they voted for him, but the older ones voted for Pierre. The younger ones voted for a cute guy who loved to snap selfies. Few people asked the hard questions. The ones that did were ignored for the most part. Look at the debates. There wasn't a lot showing. He just flashed his smile and talked about sunny ways. Great days are coming!

 

[justlooking]

They knew that his name had a lot of drawing power, but the more I think about it, the more I believe that the Liberal executive didn't realize exactly how much of simpleton he is. I am still wondering why they let him do some of the tings he does. The outfits Justin and Sophie bought for their trip must have raised a few heads with the Liberal exec. I do not believe he has the parts to dictate to the senior Liberals how he intends to deport himself.

As I previously mentioned, no one will base their voting decision on the India trip.
You and I wouldn't vote for him anyway, so who cares what we think.
Analfloss/Hoid/Cliffy think he dindunuthinwrong, so it doesn't matter.

I believe that the voters were duped. I do not hold them responsible. Certainly, they voted for him, but the older ones voted for Pierre. The younger ones voted for a cute guy who loved to snap selfies. Few people asked the hard questions. The ones that did were ignored for the most part. Look at the debates. There wasn't a lot showing. He just flashed his smile and talked about sunny ways. Great days are coming!

People usually get the government they deserve. In our case, we didn't get duped. We were playing Dopey.
My mother was a life long Liberal, adored PET, but she was sure as hell smart enough that when the idea of Justin came up, she just snorted, rolled her eyes, and said no.

Everyone who voted for Trudeau should be ashamed of themselves, and need to be reminded of what they have done.
You giving them a free pass on that vote doesn't actually help anyone, or does it help getting rid of Trudeau come election time.

 

[Murphy]

They will not base their votes on the India trip. They will base their votes on what the campaign and ad people send into the airwaves. You can bet that the India trip will come back to haunt the Liberals. By then, there will be other things to add to the mix.

The electorate was duped. Some of the older voters thought they were getting Pierre re-incarnated. The young people were getting a pretty face who loved the same things they did - selfies, having a good time and protection from mean people.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me!

 

[justlooking]

They will not base their votes on the India trip. They will base their votes on what the campaign and ad people send into the airwaves. You can bet that the India trip will come back to haunt the Liberals.

https://www.hilltimes.com/2018/03/0...overnment-says-former-staffer-griffith/136303


Mistakes were made because PM staff not diverse enough.

See, this is what we need to change in Canada.

 

[Murphy]

No doubt, and those mistakes will come back to haunt the Liberals. The ad campaigns mounted by the other parties will remind the electorate of what went on the past four years with the Liberals. Hopefully, the media company contracted by the Conservatives will be better than the Liberal one.

 

[Colpy]

They knew that his name had a lot of drawing power, but the more I think about it, the more I believe that the Liberal executive didn't realize exactly how much of simpleton he is. I am still wondering why they let him do some of the things he does. The outfits Justin and Sophie bought for their trip must have raised a few heads with the Liberal exec. I do not believe he has the parts to dictate to the senior Liberals how he intends to deport himself.

I believe that the voters were duped. I do not hold them responsible. Certainly, they voted for him, but the older ones voted for Pierre. The younger ones voted for a cute guy who loved to snap selfies. Few people asked the hard questions. The ones that did were ignored for the most part. Look at the debates. There wasn't a lot showing. He just flashed his smile and talked about sunny ways. Great days are coming!

Bob Rae knew he was an idiot.

"Justin has never been the smartest guy in the room"

What a great smackdown!

Almost as good as Clyde Wells on Brian Tobin years ago:

"If you walked through Brian's deepest thoughts, you wouldn't get your ankles wet".

LOL!!

Remind you of anyone?

 

[Murphy]

:lol:

Justin's handlers better get a grip on him or the Liberals won't be voted out, they'll be laughed out.

 

[Mowich]

They will not base their votes on the India trip. They will base their votes on what the campaign and ad people send into the airwaves. You can bet that the India trip will come back to haunt the Liberals. By then, there will be other things to add to the mix.

The electorate was duped. Some of the older voters thought they were getting Pierre re-incarnated. The young people were getting a pretty face who loved the same things they did - selfies, having a good time and protection from mean people.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me!

Some of the electorate were duped, Murph. Though I did support his dad in the earlier years, his contempt for the West and then the famous finger moment, put paid to any further support from this quarter. Justin presented as an even more arrogant twit then his dad, in addition to having delusions of his own competence, an example of which is his now infamous comment 'the budget will balance itself'.

I can't honestly say I take any joy in knowing I was right in my suspicions about his lack of ability to govern considering it is our country's future that is in his oh so incapable hands.

:lol:

Justin's handlers better get a grip on him or the Liberals won't be voted out, they'll be laughed out.

Unfortunately, I believe his handlers are part of the problem and therefore no help what-so-ever.

 

[Murphy]

It's difficult for me to believe that the Liberal party would have no competent people in the front office. I think they let the charade of selfies and sunny ways go on for too long. The handlers will have to get a grip on things. As long as he doesn't try to influence cabinet decisions, or talk about any important legislation in public, we should be alright.

But there's the problem of how he is being perceived by the world. Canada is being laughed at in the newspapers because of India. NAFTA. Belgium. We'll have to see how he handles trips abroad as well as important guests visiting here.

Although, given what just happened with Belgium, the Liberals are spinning out of control. :lol: I still think that's funny.

 

[WLDB]

An MP should vote his conscience, not that of his leader.

Agreed. Party discipline is way too strong. It largely turns all MPs into “yes men” for their leader. I was really hoping Michael Chong’s reform bill on that was going to pass but sadly it failed twice.

Any bets on his retirement in 2019?

Likely. Though I think that probably would have happened either way. He’s been in politics since before JT was born.

 

[Jinentonix]

10,000 words on a secret agenda.

Thats quite a secret.

So was Iran/Contra. What's your point?

 

[Decapoda]

I knew that he wasn't really political material. He had been around that most of his life, but never jumped in until he was approached by the Liberal party. I don't know what red flags he raised. Virtually no one paid any attention to him prior to the election.

While I don't want to turn this into another 'stupid things Trudeau says' thread, anyone paying any attention at all would have little doubt what they would be getting when giving Trudeau the mandate they did.

Trudeau and his party fought to maintain the registry “given the absence of any responsible approach to gun violence by this government.”

“We were not successful in that fight, the registry and its data are gone, so we now have to develop a new approach.” Trudeau - 2012

“I voted to keep the firearms registry a few months ago and if we had a vote tomorrow I would vote once again to keep the long-gun registry,” Trudeau - Dec. 2012


It's pretty clear what his stance was on gun control in 2012, I doubt it's changed one iota since then.

In case you are still unclear on what some of the red flags were, here's a fairly comprehensive list of some of the goofy or concerning things he's said and done in the past...and present.

 

[Hoid]

Who ever wanted a registry except the police and the majority of Canadians

 

[Murphy]

:laughing3:

The Liberals do not have a good record with regard to gun legislation. They used it as a voter getter, preying on the emotions of people. Certainly, they cannot get elected without duping the public.

 

[Colpy]

Who ever wanted a registry except the police and the majority of Canadians

By the time it was over, not even a majority of Canadians....it was split 50-50 on the issue.

It cost 1,000 times the predicted amount.

It never helped solve a single serious crime.

It actually contained well over 4,000 firearms that were stolen.

It was extremely inaccurate.

It was not secure.

It was definitely not user friendly. (I was once on hold for over 45 minutes, only to hear this "We're sorry, we are experiencing an unusual number of calls. Please call back at another time" click buzzzzzzzzzz)

It was very incomplete. (at least 25% of long guns were never registered)

The people at the Firearms Centre were incredibly incompetent on guns.

The stick-on serial numbers for guns without didn't work. I have a Marlin .22, a beautiful piece, but old enough it had no serial number. I registered it, and carefully followed the instructions on applying the "permanent" number. It fell off within a minute. I threw it away. The sticker, not the rifle.

Just for starters.

Useless, aggravating, and outrageously expensive.

 

[Murphy]

Flossy, did you not read this in your history books? Or have you been cutting class again?

 

[pgs]

No doubt, and those mistakes will come back to haunt the Liberals. The ad campaigns mounted by the other parties will remind the electorate of what went on the past four years with the Liberals. Hopefully, the media company contracted by the Conservatives will be better than the Liberal one.

If the conservatives use the same public image consultants they used last time they will be toast again .

 

[Murphy]

That's for sure. We'll have to wait and see what happens, but I'm sure that message was delivered to the present executive, loud and clear.