Ukraine Flight 752 "Crash" killing 176 innocent people

Why did flight 752 crash?

  • Tragic accident

    Votes: 2 13.3%
  • Shot down by Iranian missles

    Votes: 12 80.0%
  • Unsure

    Votes: 1 6.7%

  • Total voters
    15
  • Poll closed .

petros

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I don't know enough about the Yemen issue to be fair.
I know Saudi is involved and that instantly makes me look at the situation likely in the wrong light. But I don't know who started the issue or why and why Saudi is involved.
As we speak Iraqi protesters are attacking the Iran backed Al-Wafa Movement in Kufa.

Obviously media isnt giving the full picture.
 

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Influential Iranians break ranks with state after Ukrainian jet downing

LONDON — A slew of influential Iranian artists, television personalities and sports stars have publicly broken with Tehran after the government denied for days that it shot down a Ukrainian passenger plane last week.
"Apologies for lying to you for 13 years," Gelareh Jabbari, a host on the state-run Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting TV network, wrote Monday in an Instagram post. The post has since been deleted but was seen by NBC News.
"It was very hard for me to believe our people have been killed, forgive me for believing this late," added Jabbari, the anchor of the lifestyle show, "Good Morning Iran," in an apparent reference to the 82 Iranians who were among the 176 passengers and crew members killed.
Iran initially denied that a missile had struck the plane last Wednesday shortly after it took off from Tehran, the capital, only to reverse course on Saturday and admit that it had shot the plane down by mistake.
Many students and middle-class Iranians took to the streets in protest. In Tehran, some students refused to trample on paintings of U.S. and Israeli flags in an apparent rejection of the government's attempts to deflect blame.
Those in more influential positions used their sway to send a message.
Prominent Iranian movie director Masoud Kimiai and popular actors Navid Mohamadzadeh and Taraneh Alidoosti were among several filmmakers, actors and musicians who announced they were boycotting the upcoming Fajr film and theater festivals in the wake of the plane's downing.
In a statement picked up by the liberal newspaper Arman Melli, they were among 14 directors, actors and musicians who offered their condolences to those who lost family members.
According to the newspaper, the statement also criticized the authorities and demanded they explain to the nation the delay in admitting responsibility for shooting the plane down.
Alidoosti, one of Iran's most popular actors who starred in the Oscar-nominated "The Salesman," told her 5.8 million followers on Instagram Sunday that "we are not citizens, we are captives, millions of captives." This Instagram post was also seen by NBC News before being deleted.
The government's handling of the incident has only served to "confirm an existing sense of moral bankruptcy that the Islamic Republic is accused of," said Afshin Shahi, an associate professor in Middle East politics at Bradford University.
"The Islamic Republic is facing the worst legitimacy crisis in its 40-year history, and the pressures are mounting from every angle," he said, adding that state repression, censorship and the country's economic woes in the last three years had created a profound sense of disillusionment. "The gap between the state and society has widened to an extreme extent."
In a sign of how seriously Iranian authorities are taking the backlash, the organization responsible for Friday prayers announced that Iran's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, would deliver a sermon at this Friday's prayers. The last time Khamenei spoke at the service was eight years ago to mark the annual 10 days of celebrations of the 1979 revolution that overthrew Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi.
As for allegations of repression, Alireza Miryousefi, a spokesperson for Iran's mission to the United Nations, told NBC News that "Iranian citizens are free to express their opinions, as has been witnessed over the last months. And they are free to seek or refuse employment as they wish."
"It is only natural that in a nation of over 80 million people, there will always be a wide range of opinions," he added. "In recent days, the government has very clearly and repeatedly apologized in the aftermath of the Ukrainian Airlines tragedy. The government has also pledged a full investigation, and to hold those responsible to account for this mistake."
According to Human Rights Watch, Iranians have experienced "rampant violations" by security forces and the judiciary. In recent years, it said, authorities have tightened their grip on peaceful activism by detaining lawyers and human rights defenders.
Over the decades, sporadic unrest has often been met with a harsh response.
In 2009, the government suppressed the so-called Green Movement that drew millions to the streets in the wake of a disputed presidential election.
But protests in Iran have become more frequent and widespread over the past two years. They have coincided with harsh U.S. economic sanctions imposed by President Donald Trump's administration after he pulled the United States out of the landmark Iran nuclear deal in May 2018.
In November, large-scale protests sparked by a planned increase in gas prices drew mostly working-class demonstrators, who in the past have formed a bastion of support for the regime. During the protests the government shut down the internet for days, making it difficult to discern the scale of the demonstrations and the resulting crackdown.
But Amnesty International reported that more than 300 people had been killed in the protests, and the United States said the toll could have been more than 1,000.
The protests over the airliner, however, are "a watershed moment," said Hadi Ghaemi, executive director of the New York-based Center for Human Rights in Iran, who said the downing of the Ukrainian airliner had "become a national symbol of what Iranians suffer daily from government forces and the bureaucracy."
"People are completely fed up with the political system and the repression and especially in this case, the lies, cover-up and incompetence of their government," said Ghaemi, whose nonprofit seeks to document rights abuses in Iran.
The artistic boycott of the Fajr festivals and the actor Alidoosti's comments Sunday were examples of an "unprecedented" level of consensus among members of the artistic community in Iran who are disillusioned and frustrated with the Iranian state, said Shahi, the professor.
Traditionally, critics in Iran have made a distinction between more moderate members of the establishment and hard-liners, Shahi said. But this appears to be changing.
"What is interesting is that they have gone beyond the factional politics of the Islamic Republic and criticize the entirety of the system," Shahi said.
And then there are those who have defected in recent months.
Kimia Alizadeh, 21, who became the only woman from Iran to win an Olympic medal when she took bronze in taekwondo at the 2016 Olympics in Rio, posted a scathing attack on Instagram on Saturday on the "hypocrisy" of Iran's administration. She implied in the post that she had left the country but did not say where.
In December, Iran's Chess Federation said top-rated champion Alireza Firouzja had decided not to play for Iran over its informal ban on competing against Israeli players. And three months earlier, the International Judo Federation said Iranian judoka Saeid Mollaei had refused to return home over fears for his safety.
Chris Doyle, the director of the Council for Arab-British Understanding, said that it wasn't just well-known Iranians who had defected and that the brain drain was a well-established trend in Iran and across the Middle East.
"These tend to be people such as doctors and lawyers on the wealthier end of the spectrum with the ability to do so," he said.
But working-class Iranians have also voiced their discontent, and Shahi said many of them were also leaving, which he described as "muscle drain."
"Iran is suffering from the politics of hopelessness," he said.
 

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Michel Aoun the Christian President of Lebanon sides with Saudis and this is pissing off Hezbollah. Lebanon is on the brink of Civil war.
 

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And there's an issue with this?


To me this shows Canada at least gives a shyte for families from this tragedy.


I was listening to an interview with one of the family members who works now to support not just his own family but that of his brother who died. The man still breaks down randomly from grief. He's just a taxi driver and his brother's assets are frozen. This money will help with his family.


At least it's something.




IF THEY WERE SO POOR..................................


then HOW did they afford to travel to the other side of the PLANET?????????????????????????
 

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Didnt you know? Everybody but Europeans and North Americans live in tin or mud huts shared with their herd of goats.
 

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Michel Aoun the Christian President of Lebanon sides with Saudis and this is pissing off Hezbollah. Lebanon is on the brink of Civil war.




So...............its a NORMAL DAY in the Middle East!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And what about the old Black September Movement???????????????????????


BSM was started by PISSED OFF Palestinians who got THROWN OUT OF LEBANON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Or Jordan.................................OR MAYBE IT WAS BOTH PLACES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I cannot be bothered to look it up or refresh my memory......................................



The Palestinians were following standard Muslim policy and PISSING OFF THE LOCALS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


To the Point that the locals CALLED IN SYRIAN TANK BRIGADES from the father of Syrian asshat Bashir Assad.......................


and the Palestinians fought a series of pitched battles....................................


until DAFFY GHADAFFY the Libyan nutbar invited all the PLO fighters to come to his desert pest hole...............................


and form the Black September Movement..............................


that hated both Israelis AND Jordanians and Lebanese!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You just cannot keep track of all the Muslim Militias and their rivalries without a program!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The ONLY CONSOLATION in all this Middle East CRAP................................


is they all hate each other even more than they hate westerners!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The average Palestinian view is that Egyptians PROSTITUTE THEMSELVES simply by talking peace to Yankees..........................


and sell themselves CHEAP to be screwed by Israeli tourists coming to Egyptian Red Sea resorts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Any person who thinks peace will break out any time soon in the Middle East...............................


IS WELL AND TRULY DRUGGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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Didnt you know? Everybody but Europeans and North Americans live in tin or mud huts shared with their herd of goats.






OH THAT`S NOT TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Palestinians LOVE BUILDING WITH CONCRETE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Just LOOK AT ALL THE CONCRETE RUBBLE in Gaza and The West Bank!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


PLO fighters LOVE CONCRETE BUILDINGS OF ALL SORTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The lower floors make good bunkers to hide in from Israeli shelling!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And the concrete roofs are strong enough to support mortars and missile launchers and other such heavy weapons......................


which explains why there are so many Israeli air strikes.....................................


and so much concrete rubble- from structures that used to hold heavy weapons that were being fired into Israel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And which were being used to shelter artillerymen as well!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Its just to bad about the civilian relatives - stuck on the lower floors while sons, husbands, fathers, uncles etc......................


fire off their daily HATE at the Jews!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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So...............its a NORMAL DAY in the Middle East!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And what about the old Black September Movement???????????????????????
They became the Christian Lebanese Forces and the political Free Patriotic Movement currently in power but that is shaky as the Hezbollah/FPM alliance fell apart.

The Free Patriotic Movement, also known as the Aounist party, is a Lebanese political party, led by Gebran Bassil. The FPM party promotes the rights of Lebanese expatriates and a relatively high minimum wage. The party's support base is overwhelmingly from Lebanon's Christian community. Wikipedia
 

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I stand corrected, still an example of no peaceful negotiations by Iranian backed Shia groups






Oh Moose...............surely you were aware that GOD has promised the Faithful a GREAT VICTORY???????????????


The victory will be so complete that according to the Quran and the Words of the Prophet - peace and blessings be upon him...............


that "even the stones and the trees of the land will have voices and will call to the Faithful to come over here as there is a JEW hiding



behind me so that you may slay him"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Why would Iran negotiate - when even the rocks and trees are on their side?????????????????????


And who really thinks that there can be negotiation with people who are ABSOLUTELY CONVINCED.........................


that sooner or later THEY WILL HAVE TOTAL POWER AND AUTHORITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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In parallel, a political crisis has left Lebanon without a government since Sunni Muslim politician Saad al-Hariri quit as prime minister on Oct. 29, bringing down a coalition that included the heavily armed, Iran-backed Shi'ite group Hezbollah.
 

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Canada is trying to get access to the black box recordings.

This is proving to be very difficult as we have no diplomatic relations with Iran.

Thank you Mr Harper
 

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They became the Christian Lebanese Forces and the political Free Patriotic Movement currently in power but that is shaky as the Hezbollah/FPM alliance fell apart.

The Free Patriotic Movement, also known as the Aounist party, is a Lebanese political party, led by Gebran Bassil. The FPM party promotes the rights of Lebanese expatriates and a relatively high minimum wage. The party's support base is overwhelmingly from Lebanon's Christian community. Wikipedia




YOU ARE TRULY DELUSIONAL............................


if you think you can get anybody to buy that BIG LUMP OF PROPAGANDA COW SH+T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


As if Palestinian MUSLIMS WOULD BECOME LEBANESE CHRISTIANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


WHAT A MAROON !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


NO WONDER LIFE IN THE MIDDLE EAST IS SO MESSED UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Even their favoured propaganda meisters and spin doctors cannot keep track of all the LUNATIC PLAYERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


As petros has just proved!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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Ukraine has access (maybe)




Ukraine has just been told THEY WILL NOT BE GETTING THE BLACK BOXES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


APPARENTLY THERE IS SOMETHING REALLY BAD THAT WAS RECORDED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


MAKING IRAN LOOK EVEN WORSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And poor hemerHOID does not register on how it makes him look to be supporting terrorists!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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canada is trying to get access to the black box recordings.

This is proving to be very difficult as we have no diplomatic relations with iran.

Thank you mr harper




you are welcome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


No honest people want to talk or associate with bloody handed terrorists!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Throw in their religious mania.......................................


And sensible people will stop even speaking the names of iranian asshats!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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It is encouraging that Iran was talking about compensation in the same announcement as when they admitted to the shoot-down.

I take it as a sign that they have realized that "lie and deny" isn't working for them.

Still some hard negotiations to go, but I agree that it's appropriate for Canada to help families that need it, and reimburse itself from the eventual settlement.




Why dont you go ahead and hold your breath till the IRANIAN CHEQUE IS IN THE MAIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I bet you end up turning all manner of FUNNY COLOURS WHILE YOU WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Please take photos of your face at timed intervals.....................................


we all need a good laugh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


As for what IRANIAN GOVT would consider "fair compensation".......................................


Cdns DO NOT ENJOY BEING PAID OFF MOSTLY WITH SICKLY DISEASE RIDDEN GOATS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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YOU ARE TRULY DELUSIONAL............................
if you think you can get anybody to buy that BIG LUMP OF PROPAGANDA COW SH+T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As if Palestinian MUSLIMS WOULD BECOME LEBANESE CHRISTIANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WHAT A MAROON !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NO WONDER LIFE IN THE MIDDLE EAST IS SO MESSED UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Even their favoured propaganda meisters and spin doctors cannot keep track of all the LUNATIC PLAYERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As petros has just proved!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WTF ae you smoking?