Again, a terrible assumption about me that you somehow deluded yourself to believe is true. I never said we don't require existing resources. Maybe you should consult your polar bear for your next gaffe.
U.S. to re-route Keystone XL due to environmental concerns
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Again, a terrible assumption about me that you somehow deluded yourself to believe is true. I never said we don't require existing resources. Maybe you should consult your polar bear for your next gaffe.
How many totally 'Green" energy company's are being built in Canada probably % wise as many as we have in the States. The oil sands will help the economy of both country's for the next 50+ years or so at least or until we realize that the CO2 problem is real.
Use of crude use will never be reduced. The chemical value outweighs the fuel aspects.
I fully endorse the use of fossil fuels for products and technologies where it is impossible to have an alternate resource as a replacement.
I dont think you understand how the resource industry works now,the environment is #1
I risked huge fines as a pipeline inspector for Encanna if the rules werent followed and the policies and procedures of most companies are far more stringent then the governments.
Mucho paperwork and tonnes of permits every day to even go on to a ROW.
Regulation of a resource and demand for a resource are different aspects of the industry.
As the environment is #1 it will be handled with kid gloves,thats environmental stewardship.
Farmers contaminate waterways and land a lot,no environmental stewardship there.
Thats why they can draw water and do what they want to the land without a permit.
Stuff that I would get huge fines for.
First you have government regulations to follow,then you have the company doing the works regulations to follow.
You allmost need a permit to take a leak in the bush these days and that would take 2 extra hours to get.
Harper heading to White House, likely to unveil border deal
OTTAWA — Prime Minister Stephen Harper is heading to the White House on Wednesday for a meeting with U.S. President Barack Obama, where it's expected they will finally announce details of the Beyond the Border trade and security deal.
Canada and the United States have for months been looking to finalize the Beyond the Border initiative, a bilateral trade and security agreement designed to better co-ordinate intelligence-sharing at the border and streamline cross-border trade.
The Harper government originally said the plan would be ready by the end of summer, but details haven't been unveiled. The deal is expected to formally be announced following Wednesday's meeting at the White House.
"Prime Minister Stephen Harper will travel to Washington on Wednesday, Dec. 7, for a bilateral meeting at the White House with U.S. President Barack Obama," Andrew MacDougall, a spokesman for Harper, said Friday in a statement.
"The United States is a close ally and trusted partner for Canada and the prime minister looks forward to discussing the Canada-U.S. bilateral relationship, including economic competitiveness, trade and security, and key global issues with President Obama."
OTTAWA — Prime Minister Stephen Harper is heading to the White House on Wednesday for a meeting with U.S. President Barack Obama, where it's expected they will finally announce details of the Beyond the Border trade and security deal.
Canada and the United States have for months been looking to finalize the Beyond the Border initiative, a bilateral trade and security agreement designed to better co-ordinate intelligence-sharing at the border and streamline cross-border trade.
The Harper government originally said the plan would be ready by the end of summer, but details haven't been unveiled. The deal is expected to formally be announced following Wednesday's meeting at the White House.
"Prime Minister Stephen Harper will travel to Washington on Wednesday, Dec. 7, for a bilateral meeting at the White House with U.S. President Barack Obama," Andrew MacDougall, a spokesman for Harper, said Friday in a statement.
"The United States is a close ally and trusted partner for Canada and the prime minister looks forward to discussing the Canada-U.S. bilateral relationship, including economic competitiveness, trade and security, and key global issues with President Obama."
Here's an article that clearly shows why Canadian oil should be refined in Canada by Canadians and not piped but transported by truck or rail. Canadian oil firstly should be for Canadian use then any surplus refined oil to be sold on the international market to the highest bidder. The result would be more Canadian jobs in the refining, upgrading and transportation industries. It is insane for Canada to pipe raw unrefined crude at pennies on the dollar to the States so they can stock pile it to bolster the US economy and for their future wars.
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Despite growth, economy shows signs of underlying weakness
The Canadian Press – Thu, 1 Dec, 2011
OTTAWA - The surprisingly strong domestic product expansion in the third quarter is hiding an unpleasant fact about Canada's economy, say analysts.
Strip away exports — and particularly oil, gas and coal exports — from the data, and Canada's economy doesn't look like the world-beater it appears.
In fact, say analysts, Canada's domestic economy can be seen as already mired in a technical recession with consumers going into hibernation, governments cutting back, and businesses squirrelling away cash.
Canadian Auto Workers economist Jim Stanford points out that data provided by Statistics Canada behind this week's strong gross domestic product advance of 3.5 per cent, the numbers show all of that and more — 134 per cent — was due to exports. And energy exports accounted for 60 per cent of the total exports increase.
That means the domestic economy shrank during the quarter, following an overall 0.5 per cent contraction in the second quarter.
Scotiabank economist Derek Holt agrees Canadians are currently experiencing very weak conditions, excluding the trade rebound.
And they shouldn't expect trade to continue to rescue the economy, he adds, because much of the strength was catch-up from the previous quarter's supply shock disruptions emanating from Japan's natural disaster.
Despite growth, economy shows signs of underlying weakness - Yahoo! Canada Finance
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Despite growth, economy shows signs of underlying weakness
The Canadian Press – Thu, 1 Dec, 2011
OTTAWA - The surprisingly strong domestic product expansion in the third quarter is hiding an unpleasant fact about Canada's economy, say analysts.
Strip away exports — and particularly oil, gas and coal exports — from the data, and Canada's economy doesn't look like the world-beater it appears.
In fact, say analysts, Canada's domestic economy can be seen as already mired in a technical recession with consumers going into hibernation, governments cutting back, and businesses squirrelling away cash.
Canadian Auto Workers economist Jim Stanford points out that data provided by Statistics Canada behind this week's strong gross domestic product advance of 3.5 per cent, the numbers show all of that and more — 134 per cent — was due to exports. And energy exports accounted for 60 per cent of the total exports increase.
That means the domestic economy shrank during the quarter, following an overall 0.5 per cent contraction in the second quarter.
Scotiabank economist Derek Holt agrees Canadians are currently experiencing very weak conditions, excluding the trade rebound.
And they shouldn't expect trade to continue to rescue the economy, he adds, because much of the strength was catch-up from the previous quarter's supply shock disruptions emanating from Japan's natural disaster.
Despite growth, economy shows signs of underlying weakness - Yahoo! Canada Finance
Canada is a big place. How many Belgiums fit in Manitoba?
Once this thing is signed in the weeks to come, the digging restarts.
Okay now join in: Hooray for Action Plan Bi-Lateral hub to hub green infrastructure, strong economy and jobs a plenty!
Beyond the Border: a shared vision for perimeter security and economic competitiveness
Trade Facilitation, Economic Growth, and Jobs
We intend to pursue creative and effective solutions to manage the flow of traffic between Canada and the United States. We will focus investment in modern infrastructure and technology at our busiest land ports of entry, which are essential to our economic well-being.
We will strive to ensure that our border crossings have the capacity to support the volume of commercial and passenger traffic inherent to economic growth and job creation on both sides of the border.
To enhance our risk management practices, we intend to continue planning together, organizing bi-national port of entry committees to coordinate planning and funding, building, expanding or modernizing shared border management facilities and border infrastructure where appropriate, and using information technology solutions.
We intend to look for opportunities to integrate our efforts and where practicable, to work together to develop joint facilities and programs – within and beyond Canada and the United States – to increase efficiency and effectiveness for both security and trade.
We aim to build on the success of current joint programs by expanding trusted traveller and trader programs, harmonizing existing programs, and automating processes at the land border to increase efficiency.
We will look for ways to reduce the cost of conducting legitimate business across the border by implementing, where practicable, common practices and streamlined procedures for customs processing and regulatory compliance.
We intend to work towards developing an integrated cargo security strategy that ensures compatible screening methods for goods and cargo before they depart foreign ports bound for Canada or the United States, so that once they enter the territory of either we can, together, accelerate subsequent crossings at land ports of entry between our two countries.
We recognize the importance of the Canada-U.S. Framework for the movement of Goods and People across the Border During and Following an Emergency, agreed to in 2009. It underscores the importance of coordinated, cooperative, and timely border management decision making to mitigate the impacts of disruptions on our citizens and economies.
Once this thing is signed in the weeks to come, the digging restarts.
Okay now join in: Hooray for Action Plan Bi-Lateral hub to hub green infrastructure, strong economy and jobs a plenty!
Beyond the Border: a shared vision for perimeter security and economic competitiveness
Trade Facilitation, Economic Growth, and Jobs
We intend to pursue creative and effective solutions to manage the flow of traffic between Canada and the United States. We will focus investment in modern infrastructure and technology at our busiest land ports of entry, which are essential to our economic well-being.
We will strive to ensure that our border crossings have the capacity to support the volume of commercial and passenger traffic inherent to economic growth and job creation on both sides of the border.
To enhance our risk management practices, we intend to continue planning together, organizing bi-national port of entry committees to coordinate planning and funding, building, expanding or modernizing shared border management facilities and border infrastructure where appropriate, and using information technology solutions.
We intend to look for opportunities to integrate our efforts and where practicable, to work together to develop joint facilities and programs – within and beyond Canada and the United States – to increase efficiency and effectiveness for both security and trade.
We aim to build on the success of current joint programs by expanding trusted traveller and trader programs, harmonizing existing programs, and automating processes at the land border to increase efficiency.
We will look for ways to reduce the cost of conducting legitimate business across the border by implementing, where practicable, common practices and streamlined procedures for customs processing and regulatory compliance.
We intend to work towards developing an integrated cargo security strategy that ensures compatible screening methods for goods and cargo before they depart foreign ports bound for Canada or the United States, so that once they enter the territory of either we can, together, accelerate subsequent crossings at land ports of entry between our two countries.
We recognize the importance of the Canada-U.S. Framework for the movement of Goods and People across the Border During and Following an Emergency, agreed to in 2009. It underscores the importance of coordinated, cooperative, and timely border management decision making to mitigate the impacts of disruptions on our citizens and economies.
More great news for pipeline enthusiasts...well maybe not.
Health department: Pipe may have broken a half mile from Sand Creek spill site
Oily slick on South Platte contains cancer-causing chemical - KDVR
Everything's peachy.
Health department: Pipe may have broken a half mile from Sand Creek spill site
Oily slick on South Platte contains cancer-causing chemical - KDVR
Everything's peachy.
Fossil fuel feuding: Democrats, Republicans clash over Keystone XL
WASHINGTON - The merits and perils of TransCanada's Keystone XL pipeline were back in the spotlight in the U.S. capital on Friday during a congressional hearing that featured plenty of political sniping about job creation between Republicans and Democrats.
"We all want more jobs," Rep. Henry Waxman (D-Calif.) said in his opening statement to the hearing by a subcommittee of the House of Representatives' Energy and Commerce panel. "And that's why I support, and I think probably all of our witnesses support, the president's jobs program, which is being blocked by the Republicans. Instead, they want to get jobs from areas that benefit some of their best friends, the oil companies particularly."
Rep. Bobby Rush (D-Ill.) sounded a similar tone, asking why Republicans were refusing to support U.S. President Barack Obama's job-creation proposals while citing the need to create work as the key reason why Keystone XL should be given the green light.
TransCanada president Alex Pourbaix, meantime, assured the hearing of the pipeline's safety thanks to measures the company is taking that exceed American requirements, but added it would be an instant job creator.
"Time is absolutely of the essence," he told the hearing. "We can create jobs immediately and we very much want to get started."
The U.S. State Department stunned pipeline proponents last month when, in the face of outrage by American environmental groups, it announced it was deferring a decision on the $7 billion project for at least another year.
Republicans have cried foul, saying the Obama administration is simply trying to shield the president against any backlash from his liberal base in next November's presidential election. The White House has denied those accusations.
Friday's hearing was held two days after Senate Republicans unveiled a bill aiming to speed up the approval process. The Senate bill would require the State Department to grant a permit to TransCanada to allow the project to move forward within 60 days, unless Obama determines that doing so is not in the national interest of the United States.
House Republicans followed suit on Friday, introducing their own bill that calls on the State Department to act within 30 days to green-light the pipeline. If it doesn't act within a month, Keystone XL would be approved by default.
But they went even further in their attempt to resurrect the pipeline, vowing to attach the bill to payroll tax cut legislation that John Boehner, speaker of the House of Representatives, hopes to pass later this month. That move could paint Obama into a corner given Democrats support extending payroll tax cuts.
At the hearing on Friday, Republicans pilloried the Obama administration for delaying a decision on the project, with the subcommittee's chairman mentioning Prime Minister Stephen Harper's recent remarks that Canada will now pursue Asian markets.
"Another lengthy delay could kill the project," Rep. Fred Upton (R-Mich.) said in his opening statement. "We are not the only country in need of Canada's oil supplies, and our northern neighbour could very well look to other customers around the globe if we continue to stall."
Rep. Ed Whitfield (R-Ky.) called Friday's hearing "a response to broken promises."
The Ogallala aquifer was a particular area of concern for environmentalists since it supplies drinking water to millions on the Great Plains. But following the State Department's announcement that it needed more time to study alternate paths, TransCanada said it was willing to reroute the pipeline around the aquifer.
Fossil fuel feuding: Democrats, Republicans clash over Keystone XL - Winnipeg Free Press
WASHINGTON - The merits and perils of TransCanada's Keystone XL pipeline were back in the spotlight in the U.S. capital on Friday during a congressional hearing that featured plenty of political sniping about job creation between Republicans and Democrats.
"We all want more jobs," Rep. Henry Waxman (D-Calif.) said in his opening statement to the hearing by a subcommittee of the House of Representatives' Energy and Commerce panel. "And that's why I support, and I think probably all of our witnesses support, the president's jobs program, which is being blocked by the Republicans. Instead, they want to get jobs from areas that benefit some of their best friends, the oil companies particularly."
Rep. Bobby Rush (D-Ill.) sounded a similar tone, asking why Republicans were refusing to support U.S. President Barack Obama's job-creation proposals while citing the need to create work as the key reason why Keystone XL should be given the green light.
TransCanada president Alex Pourbaix, meantime, assured the hearing of the pipeline's safety thanks to measures the company is taking that exceed American requirements, but added it would be an instant job creator.
"Time is absolutely of the essence," he told the hearing. "We can create jobs immediately and we very much want to get started."
The U.S. State Department stunned pipeline proponents last month when, in the face of outrage by American environmental groups, it announced it was deferring a decision on the $7 billion project for at least another year.
Republicans have cried foul, saying the Obama administration is simply trying to shield the president against any backlash from his liberal base in next November's presidential election. The White House has denied those accusations.
Friday's hearing was held two days after Senate Republicans unveiled a bill aiming to speed up the approval process. The Senate bill would require the State Department to grant a permit to TransCanada to allow the project to move forward within 60 days, unless Obama determines that doing so is not in the national interest of the United States.
House Republicans followed suit on Friday, introducing their own bill that calls on the State Department to act within 30 days to green-light the pipeline. If it doesn't act within a month, Keystone XL would be approved by default.
But they went even further in their attempt to resurrect the pipeline, vowing to attach the bill to payroll tax cut legislation that John Boehner, speaker of the House of Representatives, hopes to pass later this month. That move could paint Obama into a corner given Democrats support extending payroll tax cuts.
At the hearing on Friday, Republicans pilloried the Obama administration for delaying a decision on the project, with the subcommittee's chairman mentioning Prime Minister Stephen Harper's recent remarks that Canada will now pursue Asian markets.
"Another lengthy delay could kill the project," Rep. Fred Upton (R-Mich.) said in his opening statement. "We are not the only country in need of Canada's oil supplies, and our northern neighbour could very well look to other customers around the globe if we continue to stall."
Rep. Ed Whitfield (R-Ky.) called Friday's hearing "a response to broken promises."
The Ogallala aquifer was a particular area of concern for environmentalists since it supplies drinking water to millions on the Great Plains. But following the State Department's announcement that it needed more time to study alternate paths, TransCanada said it was willing to reroute the pipeline around the aquifer.
Fossil fuel feuding: Democrats, Republicans clash over Keystone XL - Winnipeg Free Press
Of course it's peachy. Now a Canadian owner of a former Conoco line takes the blame from EPA. SWEET!
Why are Canadians buying up antiquated US pipelines?
Lap it up!
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I understand some of the back-lash that Keystone is getting in the US. The EPA is a joke. One need only look at how long BP got away with blatant safety violations - years and years of them and in more than one state, clean-ups that weren't and left behind toxic cesspools that to this day are causing all number of health problems and then there were the men and women who died due to cutbacks in safety features.
BP is but one example of companies that are given what amounts to carte blanche in the States, no wonder people are worried about yet another the pipeline.
Exactly.
But it's funny how much politics can influence these sorts of things.
We had a guy at work not too long ago, the global head of Quality Assurance in our company. He was giving a presentation about new quality inititives, and he showed what we wanted to avoid, being in non-compliance with agencies like the FDA, USDA or CFIA. One of his slides was a time series of warning letters in the US. The curve dipped way down during the period 2000 to 2008, and then began rising steeply from 2008 to the present. When Republicans control the spending he explained, federal agencies that perform inspections are normally cut back, and so they have fewer inspections with the same responsibilities. This was also evident in the number of inspections, shown on another slide.
It's funny how much politics can enter discussions. Europe can be a real pain in the ass.