Typical person against $15 minimum wage

[JLM]

First off minimum wage was never intended to raise families on. Then there is the trickle up effect where everyone now making $11-15 will rightfully demand a simular raise and so on up the line. The upshot is that the now $15 worker will be no better off because of the massive increase in inflation.SO if you can't live on mimimum wage go back to school and get a trade or something. Or go get a government job and you can still be totally useless and non productive but make $100G a year.Plus a solid gold benefits package.

I have a piece of news here that will flabbergast most poster. The amount of the minimum wage irrelevant, the fact is that it IS the minimum wage (be it $15 an hour or $115 an hour) will ensure those receiving it will never escape poverty. I've watched that phenomenon since the 50s.

 

[pgs]

Wynne was advised by her own inner circle of the ramifications.

With this in mind, she did not do this out of compassion, but rather to get reelected regardless of the hardships that she'd heap on the very demographic that she claims to help

Nah , it raised tax revenue to the provincial coffers without raising taxes is why she did it .

 

[White_Unifier]

Nah , it raised tax revenue to the provincial coffers without raising taxes is why she did it .

So what you're saying is that Wynne's realmotive was to raise the tax bracket on the poorest Ontarians. Ouch.

 

[pgs]

So what you're saying is that Wynne's realmotive was to raise the tax bracket on the poorest Ontarians. Ouch.

And payroll taxes on employers .

 

[White_Unifier]

And payroll taxes on employers .

Which further deprives them of the ability to increase their workers' wages.

Germany has co-determination laws that require half of a large corporation's board of directors to be elected by the workers, though the chairman is always elected by the shareholders and holds the tie-breaking vote. Sweden has similar laws. I don't know if Germany has a minimum wage or not, but I know Sweden doesn't, and in Sweden, workers have been known in the past to vote their wages downward in tough economic times, something that's unimaginable in Canada.

There are many ways to help the poor, but raising the minimum wage is not one of them. A legally-recommended minimum wage below which a person could apply for social assistance without penalty could make sense. We could even contemplate a negative income tax (as long as it's affordable of course, and I'm in two minds about that), but a mandatory minimum wage hurts the very people it's supposed to help.

But I'm just scum, so what do I know? Right, HarperCons?

 

[Danbones]

"Of course it gets passed on to the consumer"

so what you're saying is, it's more important for you to save 5-10 cents on a burger than it is for the workers to receive an adequate livable wage?

It's more important that I don't pay their welfare.

A major restaurant in out area just closed, and staffing was the cause, so there, I hope YOU like paying welfare to people who could be working.

Henry's fish and chips restaurant, located on Georgian Bay near San Souci Island, will not open its doors for its 45th season due to a lack of qualified personnel. - Metroland/File Photo
https://www.parrysound.com/news-sto...ant-working-on-opening-its-doors-this-summer/

You don't think there is a shortage of cooks and waitresses do you?
( Henry's employed about 40 staff, plus the draw spinoffs to the surrounding businesses.)

 

[Jinentonix]

Anybody who owns a business and is unable to pay a living wage obviously has a failed business plan and should be shut down immediately.

Riiight. So pretty much every restaurant should be shut down then? Restaurants operate around a 5% profit margin. Just in case you're mathematically challenged, to put it in the simplest terms, for every $100 in sales a restaurant does, they make about $5 profit. Your solution; Shut 'em down.

You remind me of the union that whined about how foreign sailors working ships plying the St. Lawrence/Great Lakes were only getting $2-$3/hr. Their proposed solution was to replace those crews with Canadian sailors once they reach the St. Lawrence for the remainder of the trip. So basically, they decided that $2-$3/hr was such an injustice, their proposal was to take that away from them and make them sit around some place not making any money while they wait for their ship to make its rounds.

 

[White_Unifier]

In the midst of a trade war, it might be wise to scrap the minimum wage.

 

[JLM]

In the midst of a trade war, it might be wise to scrap the minimum wage.

Best idea I've heard today. Leave the wages up to the market place. Just the fact a wage is designated as "minimum" is a life sentence of poverty for anyone drawing it, be it $15, $150 or $1500 as whatever it is prices will fall in line very quickly. We've watched this shit for 70 years.

 

[Hoid]

:$4.5 billion for a pipe line nobody wants is probably the sort of thing we should stay away from during trade wars

 

[WLDB]

You spend any money in them?

there goes your raise.

It went to buy votes.

Rarely. They tend to be more pricey.

 

[taxslave]

:$4.5 billion for a pipe line nobody wants is probably the sort of thing we should stay away from during trade wars

Who besides you and cliffy doesn't want the pipelines?

 

[darkbeaver]

fIFTEEN BUCKS AN HOUR, , hey my door is open the June bugs and various mosquitoes invade my evening, fifteen bucks

All your uncommitted bucks should of course go into some drug relief thing, may GOD hep us goodly

 

[JLM]

:$4.5 billion for a pipe line nobody wants is probably the sort of thing we should stay away from during trade wars

Who is this "nobody" exactly? Your credibility is slumping! :lol:

 

[darkbeaver]

The June bugs here tonight are alighned

The June bug is number one popped food goodie,in the future I expect to bag millions of tons of air fried Junebugs, they will fly into your life, if you have summer,

It costs me twenty-seven dollars an hour to live here.

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