Two years into the Trudeau 2.0 Minority Term, which day will Justin call the election that only he wants?

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“The prime minister has said he's going to be leading the party in the next election,” he added. “I'm very excited about that.”
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LeBlanc — who serves as the minister of public safety, democratic institutions, and intergovernmental affairs — told CTV’s Questions Period host Vassy Kapelos in an interview airing Sunday that Trudeau should “absolutely” remain as Liberal leader in the next election.
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Well that’s it . Trudeau will step aside for the good of the party but remain available to act as saviour in a couple of years .
 

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Numbers in Ontario swung back. But I can already see the playbook. 1.5 years of trying to make PP seem like he's a complete right wing wackadoodle and just like Trump. They no doubt feel this will scare the soft Liberal voters who voted for them last time back to their side. From what I have seen so far is that PP seems to do a better job of deflecting the insinuations than his predecessors (the ones after Harper). Let's see if he can keep it up.
 

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Numbers in Ontario swung back. But I can already see the playbook. 1.5 years of trying to make PP seem like he's a complete right wing wackadoodle and just like Trump. They no doubt feel this will scare the soft Liberal voters who voted for them last time back to their side. From what I have seen so far is that PP seems to do a better job of deflecting the insinuations than his predecessors (the ones after Harper). Let's see if he can keep it up.
After this weeks accusations & malarkey in the House of Commons, it didn’t seem to help Trudeau or harm Poilievre.
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Numbers in Ontario swung back. But I can already see the playbook. 1.5 years of trying to make PP seem like he's a complete right wing wackadoodle and just like Trump. They no doubt feel this will scare the soft Liberal voters who voted for them last time back to their side. From what I have seen so far is that PP seems to do a better job of deflecting the insinuations than his predecessors (the ones after Harper). Let's see if he can keep it up.
Poilivere gives Quebec an alternative they can support opposed to an Andrew Scheer they could not. It will be enough.

Liberal support will come from trade unions and public sector employees which is more than 30% and likely a higher voter participation number

NDP are becoming an ethnic based party with the most people of all to support them if they can just get them into the country.

Western Canada will hope for better but no one truly has their back.
 

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So…by law at the latest it can’t be any later than Oct 20th 2025…except the Liberals (with NDP backing…surprise-surprise) extending that to Oct 27th 2025 ‘cuz open obvious publicly flaunted graft…’cuz left…
1715743626888.jpegSo when can we expect a federal election? In theory at any time in a minority government situation except…that’s not what we have. Not by a long shot.
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What’re the odds the NDP wouldn’t support the Liberals in pushing the maximum length between federal elections from Oct 20th to the 27th 2025…& in turn remove the guarantee of a pension if the election was actually on the 20th for fully half of NDP MP’s….hmmmm….
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Asked about low poll numbers, Trudeau attacks Alberta's oil and gas sector, ‘cuz…
…’cuz trying to split the vote rich/poor or older/younger with their last budget didn’t work…
….so maybe the tried and true divisive split east/west might work again?
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…& here we are.
 

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No matter how decisive the Conservative mandate in the next election, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau quietly retains the unique power to severely obstruct the Tory agenda for years to come.

In fact, Trudeau may have already set in motion a scenario that could plunge Canada into an unending series of constitutional crises at the first sign of a new Tory government attempting to reverse the carbon tax, bail reform, the Online Streaming Act or any of the other signature Liberal policies of the last nine years.

And it’s all thanks to the Senate.

By the anticipated date of the 2025 federal election, only 10 to 15 members of the 105-seat Senate will be either Conservative or Conservative appointees. The rest will be Liberal appointees. As of this writing, 70 senators have been personally appointed by Trudeau, and he’ll likely have the opportunity to appoint another 12 before his term ends.
What this means is that no matter how strong the mandate of any future Conservative government, the Tory caucus will face a Liberal supermajority in the Senate with the power to gut or block any legislation sent their way.
1715825450107.jpegConstitutional scholars Howard Anglin and Ray Pennings envisioned a potential nightmare scenario in which the Senate casts themselves as “resisting” a Conservative government. Given that senators are all permanently appointed until their mandatory retirement at age 75, it would take at least 10 years until a Conservative government could rack up enough Senate appointments to overcome the Liberal-appointed majority.
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Somehow, this just isn’t surprising. Democracy…Smarocracy.
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….so maybe the tried and true divisive split east/west might work again?
1715924128374.jpeg…& if that doesn’t work… try the old “Trump” method and throw as much shit at the wall as you can just to see what will stick?:

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau assailed New Brunswick's premier and other conservative leaders on Thursday, calling out the provincial government's position on abortion, LGBTQ youth and climate change. (He missed gun control, but tomorrow is another day)
It just reeks of desperation. During a news conference in Caraquet, N.B., Trudeau delivered his attack in response to a question about whether he would be campaigning with the New Brunswick Liberals ahead of the upcoming provincial election, which has to be held by October.

Did he answer the question he was asked? Did he even come close? Was the answer even in the same ZIP Code as the question? Does it matter to Justin Trudeau? Despite his desire to "work with any government" in Canada, the prime minister said, "I do have issues with the current government of New Brunswick." Etc…

"I will continue to call out the government of New Brunswick and any conservative leader who continues to go after women's rights." Try’n the old ‘boy/girl divisive tactic’ but he didn’t go as far as saying, one or the other had cooties, but again tomorrow is another day…
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Trudeau brought up the 2022 decision by the U.S. Supreme Court to overturn the constitutional right to an abortion in that country, saying Canada could suffer similar restrictions if conservatives are in power…because…? If you can’t campaign successfully in Canada about Canada, then campaign on US issues in Canada and maybe that divisiveness might work???

Finally, Trudeau lashed out at Higgs's calls for the removal of the federal carbon price, saying the premier wanted to "scrap" Canada's fight against climate change…like the majority of Canadians in Canada…but Trudeau knows best.

In February, shortly before the carbon price went into effect in New Brunswick, Higgs said, "the federal carbon tax has and will continue to result in higher prices on everything." Oh well…

By every demographic currently, the Liberal & NDP parties are tanking to the conservatives on gender, Ages, incomes, and religions…with the sole (or would that be soul?) exception of religions, where the one demographic being Muslim voters is mostly behind the NDP party (a little over 40%)…& that’s it.

The one place where the Federal Liberals might be successful…is if they switched to a provincial party in Quebec & campaign against the Bloc…then maybe?
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Maybe they could beat the conservatives at something somewhere. Yes, it’s a long ways away from the election, and anything can happen at any time, etc…
 
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View attachment 22143…& if that doesn’t work… try the old “Trump” method and throw as much shit at the wall as you can just to see what will stick?:

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau assailed New Brunswick's premier and other conservative leaders on Thursday, calling out the provincial government's position on abortion, LGBTQ youth and climate change. (He missed gun control, but tomorrow is another day)
It just reeks of desperation. During a news conference in Caraquet, N.B., Trudeau delivered his attack in response to a question about whether he would be campaigning with the New Brunswick Liberals ahead of the upcoming provincial election, which has to be held by October.

Did he answer the question he was asked? Did he even come close? Was the answer even in the same ZIP Code as the question? Does it matter to Justin Trudeau? Despite his desire to "work with any government" in Canada, the prime minister said, "I do have issues with the current government of New Brunswick." Etc…

"I will continue to call out the government of New Brunswick and any conservative leader who continues to go after women's rights." Try’n the old ‘boy/girl divisive tactic’ but he didn’t go as far as saying, one or the other had cooties, but again tomorrow is another day…
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Trudeau brought up the 2022 decision by the U.S. Supreme Court to overturn the constitutional right to an abortion in that country, saying Canada could suffer similar restrictions if conservatives are in power…because…? If you can’t campaign successfully in Canada about Canada, then campaign on US issues in Canada and maybe that divisiveness might work???

Finally, Trudeau lashed out at Higgs's calls for the removal of the federal carbon price, saying the premier wanted to "scrap" Canada's fight against climate change…like the majority of Canadians in Canada…but Trudeau knows best.

In February, shortly before the carbon price went into effect in New Brunswick, Higgs said, "the federal carbon tax has and will continue to result in higher prices on everything." Oh well…

By every demographic currently, the Liberal & NDP parties are tanking to the conservatives on gender, Ages, incomes, and religions…with the sole (or would that be soul?) exception of religions, where the one demographic being Muslim voters is mostly behind the NDP party (a little over 40%)…& that’s it.

The one place where the Federal Liberals might be successful…is if they switched to a provincial party in Quebec & campaign against the Bloc…then maybe?
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Maybe they could beat the conservatives at something somewhere. Yes, it’s a long ways away from the election, and anything can happen at any time, etc…
The dreaded secret agenda is next .
 

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Trudeau brought up the 2022 decision by the U.S. Supreme Court to overturn the constitutional right to an abortion in that country, saying Canada could suffer similar restrictions if conservatives are in power…because…?
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said Thursday that Canadian conservative leaders are as much of a threat to women's right to a safe abortion as the rollback of the landmark Roe v. Wade court decision was in the United States?
If you can’t campaign successfully in Canada about Canada, then campaign on US issues in Canada and maybe that divisiveness might work???
In 1988, the Supreme Court of Canada struck down a federal law that criminalized abortions that were not approved by a hospital therapeutic committee. The Conservative government of the day tried to enact another law but it died in the Senate on a tied vote. Since then, no federal government has attempted to restrict abortion.

So in almost 35 years this has just been a Liberal boogeyman to drag out when they’re sorely lacking in the polls, etc…
 

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Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said Thursday that Canadian conservative leaders are as much of a threat to women's right to a safe abortion as the rollback of the landmark Roe v. Wade court decision was in the United States?

In 1988, the Supreme Court of Canada struck down a federal law that criminalized abortions that were not approved by a hospital therapeutic committee. The Conservative government of the day tried to enact another law but it died in the Senate on a tied vote. Since then, no federal government has attempted to restrict abortion.

So in almost 35 years this has just been a Liberal boogeyman to drag out when they’re sorely lacking in the polls, etc…
So, it's perfectly valid to wail about socialism, terrorism, heavy-handed government oppression, taxes, or whatever you're scared of at the moment, and direly warn that Canada could become like the Middle East, or the EU, or the former Soviet bloc if the Liberals get their way. . .

But it's foul play to talk about something that actually DID happen in a "peer country," and by a process quite similar to Canada's experience to date (highest court struck down laws forbidding abortion, later highest court reversed that. . . states started outlawing abortion, with the conservative political party calling for a national ban on abortion).

OK.
 

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So, it's perfectly valid to wail about socialism, terrorism, heavy-handed government oppression, taxes, or whatever you're scared of at the moment, and direly warn that Canada could become like the Middle East, or the EU, or the former Soviet bloc if the Liberals get their way. . .

But it's foul play to talk about something that actually DID happen in a "peer country," and by a process quite similar to Canada's experience to date (highest court struck down laws forbidding abortion, later highest court reversed that. . . states started outlawing abortion, with the conservative political party calling for a national ban on abortion).

OK.
Bitch bitch bitch.

First you needed grooming which BTW is set up for Monday at Doggie Style and now you need a vet for terminiation of several different kinds of puppies? How just getting spayed? Maybe you should stop and yourself and ask, Am I a high maintenance bitch?
 

Ron in Regina

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So, it's perfectly valid to wail about socialism, terrorism, heavy-handed government oppression, taxes, or whatever you're scared of at the moment, and direly warn that Canada could become like the Middle East, or the EU, or the former Soviet bloc if the Liberals get their way. . .
How often are your American politicians, when they fail to successfully convinced their own citizenry of their even minor competence or relevance, campaigning on Canadian court cases (or let’s say the Emergencies Act or whatever) ‘cuz it happened in Canada so it can happen here (?) to try to desperately keep their heads above water?
But it's foul play to talk about something that actually DID happen in a "peer country," and by a process quite similar to Canada's experience to date (highest court struck down laws forbidding abortion, later highest court reversed that. . . states started outlawing abortion, with the conservative political party calling for a national ban on abortion).

OK.
Ok. That did happen in America, and though our nations have many similarities, they do also have many differences.

In Canada, there is no limit on when an abortion can take place. If you can get a doctor to provide an abortion in the ninth month of pregnancy it is perfectly legal and paid for – we have zero restrictions on abortion.

Our conservatives are closer to your liberals from what I understand, & our liberals currently are like far left wackos on your spectrum I’m assuming.

I don’t think even the far left up here (including our Prime Minister) believe their own schtick, but it’s kind of a Spring tradition (usually around Mother’s Day) to parade out the abortion fear mongering that the evil righties are gonna take away rights that they wouldn’t touch with a 10 foot pole.

We haven’t had a law on abortion in Canada since the Supreme Court struck down the old one in the Morgentaler decision in 1988. We aren’t likely to get one any time soon, despite the overheated rhetoric from the Liberals about electing a Conservative government.

(Here’s a dirty little secret of Canadian politics on this issue, a free vote on banning abortion that only took the votes of Conservative Party MPs would not succeed)

In recent years, when Trudeau goes wide on abortion, wary reporters have occasionally acknowledged the elephant in the room: If women’s rights are as incomplete and imperilled as you say, Prime Minister, then why not pass legislation codifying them? Two years ago Trudeau briefly even seemed open to the idea of writing something down on paper, though nothing came of it…& that’s that. If there was anything behind this beyond storing the pot, Trudeau had a decade to do something (tax it?) about it.
 
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How often are your American politicians, when they fail to successfully convinced their own citizenry of their even minor competence or relevance, campaigning on Canadian court cases (or let’s say the Emergencies Act or whatever) ‘cuz it happened in Canada so it can happen here (?) to try to desperately keep their heads above water?
Difference is I respect you enough to be disappointed and call you out when you make a stupid argument.
 
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Difference is I respect you enough to be disappointed and call you out when you make a stupid argument.
Not seeing where Ron made a stupid argument. The whole RvsW thing was about jurisdiction, not legalities.
The left rolls out the abortion boogieman every election to inflame the low information voters. Despite what every Conservative leader has said for at least a couple of decades. There are, of course, a few vocal religious fruitcakes that are so far out in right field, they could probably be as likely to be mistaken for far left, that fuel the flames on a regular basis. Quite simply, it ain't going to happen. And the reason is there isn't enough votes on that hill to die for.
 

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Not seeing where Ron made a stupid argument.
Not surprising.
The left rolls out the abortion boogieman every election to inflame the low information voters.
And the right rolls out "SOSHULISM! COMMIES! REDS UNDER THE BED!" whenever they want to shriek about taxes.
Despite what every Conservative leader has said for at least a couple of decades. There are, of course, a few vocal religious fruitcakes that are so far out in right field, they could probably be as likely to be mistaken for far left, that fuel the flames on a regular basis. Quite simply, it ain't going to happen. And the reason is there isn't enough votes on that hill to die for.
Yep, that's what we said.
 

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Taking the devils advocate side of the argument, & invoking Godwin’s Law, the Nazis where also a minority but…etc…

No, Canadian Conservatives aren’t gonna touch abortion, & Canadian Liberals know it, and a vote on this in Parliament even just amongst Conservatives on abortion would not change a thing, & it’s some of the fringy fringe right leaning political parties that most people don’t even know exist that want to touch abortion, but it’s not gonna happen…but those fringy fringe party’s (and their views) are still a thing that exists, etc…

Yes, in the US this is a contentious issue (not here, but those opinions do exist on the other side of the border), and about half of the states have got legislation in place against abortion, & about half don’t.

Circling back, the fringy fringy of the right are not a thing that anybody takes seriously up here at this point, but maybe someday in the future they might actually have a seat in Parliament which they don’t have currently, & who knows which way the wind is going to blow….

If you look at the below graph, and then look to the extreme right side, you will see both PPC & Other(s?) and that’s where you might find those that’re willing to open the abortion debate. They exist.
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Yep, pretty much what we said. "Roe v. Wade is settled law. It's been in place for half a century. A Constitutional right. The Supreme Court will never go back on it, any more than it would go back on racial segregation. And nobody but a handful of bible-beating hillbillies want it to."

Just like the "war to end war."
 
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Ron, I'm not saying what will happen. What I am saying is that the Tories, the Libs, and every damn body else in politics will turn on a dime if they think it'll get them elected.

I do hope you're not so naive as to think a politician gives a shit less about Canadian women. Hell, the definition of "politician" is "a person who would cheerfully wade knee-deep through the blood of their own children to obtain or retain the smallest scrap of power."