Turkey to negotiate joint Defense Plan with Russia,

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Therefore, inclining to Russia is wrong, but good relations with Russia is good.
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Not pushing the West's version of 'doing business' is also wrong and that is following Russia's lead. Iceland is free from the West and that did not put them under Russia's wing. They were shunned by the global elite. North America could use some of that. At our current level of 'caring' we intentionally starve the poor of Venezuela rather than showing that being on good terms means food is donated to them so hunger is eliminated. One version is acceptable and the other version should be done away with, by the citizens of America in this case.
 
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Not pushing the West's version of 'doing business' is also wrong and that is following Russia's lead. Iceland is free from the West and that did not put them under Russia's wing. They were shunned by the global elite. North America could use some of that. At our current level of 'caring' we intentionally starve the poor of Venezuela rather than showing that being on good terms means food is donated to them so hunger is eliminated. One version is acceptable and the other version should be done away with, by the citizens of America in this case.
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Some points of consideration: Russia is near to Turkey and may have borders with it, and Turkey is a member of the NATO. So Turkey is important for US and its allies, and Turkey cannot throw itself in the lap of Russia, like the mouse seeking friendship with the cat. Like Tom and Gerry :lol:
 
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The UK needs trading partners before it can trigger Article 50.
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Don't count on China filling that need. You can't back the US and their current fight in the Far East with China and expect any deals that benefit any NATO member. China has lots of other options, like the Muslims in the Mid-east and all of South America and probably a good deal of Africa to take up the slack when trading with the West is bad for business.
 
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I will use the English expression :) and say: Excuse me, you are cheating yourself.

UK is good for you as individual, they make use of you if you are a doctor or an engineer ... why not;

but their policy and the purpose of their governments ... it is exceedingly different,

they smile in your face, but their hearts are full of rancor and hatred towards Muslims and towards the Islam;

in addition they know the powerful ideology of the Quran and they fear for their generations lest they become Muslims.
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I'm not saying the UK is perfect. It's even become xenophobic to a large degree. But if we look just at its Parliamentary system, it meets Muslim standards better than Iran's does. At least in a legal sence, Muslims are completely equal to Christians in the UK.
 
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Some points of consideration: Russia is near to Turkey and may have borders with it, and Turkey is a member of the NATO. So Turkey is important for US and its allies, and Turkey cannot throw itself in the lap of Russia, like the mouse seeking friendship with the cat. Like Tom and Gerry :lol:
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She doesn't have to, she can follow the rest of the EU when they drop the trade sanctions. Turkey would be happy just getting Russian tourists back and shipping food products to Russia. Russian as going elsewhere for vacations already and the food that used to be shipped might have been replaced by goods from elsewhere so the repairs that Turkey wants might not even be on the table. Lacl of conflict will the the military move rather than Turkey getting some Russian hardware or troops or advisers, other than Putin and Lavoy
 
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taxslave said:
Guess Turkey doesn't want to belong to the EU. Or the free world.
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Free world HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. You bean fooled there's nothing free on this planet but advice. I advise you to put the cork in that bottle, afor yah hurt yer liver.


Stragely enough what we have here with this international position/situation being discussed here is a thing called progress. Progress does not always favour the loudest barking dog. I think there's a revolution brewing on this planet and it has nothing to do with any pretend American election.
 
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My opinion what Turkey should do:
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5. Align themselves with the Mid-east nations rather than with the EU. An economic partnership where oil from Syrian and some points south will cross Turkey into the EU as Russian oil will be going east to India and China, as well as electricity on a grand scale. (via a new development from the general area)

The next big building boom will be moving cities higher on the banks by about 50 ft or more if getting away from the new high water marks is part of the plan. Landscape the lower 50 ft so it traps the silt that runs off in fast water and the floods actually fertilize the fields during the floods.So much to do, so little time to do it in. (from a short story or poem rather than it being a prediction)
Watch the first 3 for the predicted flooding based on current floods.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kT7TH1os8qY&list=PL00u99IRraJv7crnKbcVfnI_MReAALFzL

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Nice!

Seriously, looks like the Russians have had enough though.
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Must be why they are backing off 3 hrs a day (to 21 hrs/day or those not very good at math) Tired rather than that is the time it takes to reload the planes during a normal operating day. There is the 3hrs/day of rest for ISIS.
 
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I will use the English expression :) and say: Excuse me, you are cheating yourself.

UK is good for you as individual, they make use of you if you are a doctor or an engineer ... why not;

but their policy and the purpose of their governments ... it is exceedingly different,

they smile in your face, but their hearts are full of rancor and hatred towards Muslims and towards the Islam;

in addition they know the powerful ideology of the Quran and they fear for their generations lest they become Muslims.
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I guess what I don't understand is how you can believe the ideological crap that the Islamists believe. Women and children are considered "property" as opposed to actual "human beings" with rights. You abhor gays and kill in the name of some god who is a known pervert. You can say all you want about Jews or Christians, but at least they have evolved - you sir and your ilk, have not. I suppose though, that the Islamists hatred of women is because of their fear that females might be actually smarter and more superior than any of the males thus the misogyny of Islamic males!!


JMHO
 
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I guess what I don't understand is how you can believe the ideological crap that the Islamists believe. Women and children are considered "property" as opposed to actual "human beings" with rights. You abhor gays and kill in the name of some god who is a known pervert. You can say all you want about Jews or Christians, but at least they have evolved - you sir and your ilk, have not. I suppose though, that the Islamists hatred of women is because of their fear that females might be actually smarter and more superior than any of the males thus the misogyny of Islamic males!!


JMHO
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Is that compared to the 3% of the US that are considered the 'elite' and the rest are 'cannon fodder' for all intensive purposes?? The dividing line used to be an income of $250,000 or more before you were considered to be 'worthy'.

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What will the Russians bomb when they bomb the last hospital in Syria? Orphanages perhaps?
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Whatever it is it will be bigger blasts and a faster turnaround.

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Ludlow said:
Turkey lurkey turkey lurkey . Was the bird named after the country or was it visa versa is what I wanna know.
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They been arround for a long long time, they have history measured in thousands. I think they'll be OK.

Angstrom said:
It's just the beginning of a new one, it's maybe better, only because it's your kind of plague ;).
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There is nothing new. It's not my kind of plague either, it's yours. Have some more children, the ultimate hedge.
 
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