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Ron in Regina

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Yep, everything is except some imbecile babbling about the Great Big Taylor Swift Super Bowl conspiracy (undoubtedly with a connection to Fidel Castro's bastard son, for Canadians) is FAKE NEWS!
Well, luckily the Liberal/NDP’ers are bringing in legislation to combat what they consider FAKE News, so Phew!! There’s already threads on those though.
Meanwhile in Paris...


Alberta oil production hit an all-time record in November, as oilsands companies ramped up output to prepare for the imminent completion of the Trans Mountain pipeline expansion.

The Alberta Energy Regulator says crude oil production in the province rose by 8.8 per cent in November to a new historic high of 4.2 million barrels per day.

Alberta averaged 3.8 million barrels per day of oil production in the first eleven months of 2023, up 1.6 per cent from 2022 and five per cent higher than the same period in 2021.

Saskatchewan puts out 500,000 barrels a day.
C-372, also known as the Fossil Fuel Advertising Act, was tabled Monday as a private member’s bill by Charlie Angus, the MP for Timmins-James Bay and a longtime member of the NDP caucus.

“Today, I am proud to rise and introduce a bill that would make illegal false advertising by the oil and gas industry,” Angus announced in the House of Commons.

An NDP bill is seeking to criminalize the “promotion” of fossil fuels, and prescribe jail time even for Canadians who say scientifically true things such as how burning natural gas is cleaner than burning coal.

As a private member’s bill introduced by the member of a party with only 25 seats in the House of Commons, Bill C-372 has almost zero chance of passing. But as written, the act would technically apply to any Canadian who is found to be speaking well of the oil industry, or of oil generally.

“It is prohibited for a person to promote a fossil fuel, a fossil fuel-related brand element or the production of a fossil fuel,” reads the act.

Violate this as a regular citizen, and the act prescribes summary conviction and a fine of up to $500,000. Violate it as an oil company, and the punishment could be as strict as two years in jail or a fine of $1,000,000.
Yep, everything is except some imbecile babbling about the Great Big Taylor Swift Super Bowl conspiracy (undoubtedly with a connection to Fidel Castro's bastard son, for Canadians) is FAKE NEWS!
He added that the oil and gas sector was trafficking in “disinformation” and “killing people.” Angus also twice framed his bill as the dawn of the industry’s “big tobacco moment” — an apparent reference to Canada’s blanket federal ban on tobacco advertising.
Angus defines “promotion” so broadly that it could technically apply to something as simple as a Facebook post or even an “I Love Canadian Oil and Gas” bumper sticker.

Promotion, according to Bill C-372, means “‍a representation about a product or service by any means … that is likely to influence and shape attitudes, beliefs and behaviours about the product or service.‍”

The act also criminalizes a laundry list of common pro-oil and gas arguments, even ones that have a reliable basis in fact.

Section 8 of the act makes it a crime for “a person” to argue that a fossil fuel is “less harmful than other fossil fuels.”

Natural gas, for instance, generates energy with far fewer emissions or pollutants than diesel, coal, bunker fuel or any number of “dirtier” fuels. This is why the federal government taxes natural gas at a lower benchmark than higher-emission fuels.

Nevertheless, according to C-372, anybody making such an argument should face a jail term of up to two years or a “fine not exceeding $500,000.”
 
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Well, luckily the Liberal/NDP’ers are bringing in legislation to combat what they consider FAKE News, so Phew!! There’s already threads on those though.

C-372, also known as the Fossil Fuel Advertising Act, was tabled Monday as a private member’s bill by Charlie Angus, the MP for Timmins-James Bay and a longtime member of the NDP caucus.

“Today, I am proud to rise and introduce a bill that would make illegal false advertising by the oil and gas industry,” Angus announced in the House of Commons.

An NDP bill is seeking to criminalize the “promotion” of fossil fuels, and prescribe jail time even for Canadians who say scientifically true things such as how burning natural gas is cleaner than burning coal.

As a private member’s bill introduced by the member of a party with only 25 seats in the House of Commons, Bill C-372 has almost zero chance of passing. But as written, the act would technically apply to any Canadian who is found to be speaking well of the oil industry, or of oil generally.

“It is prohibited for a person to promote a fossil fuel, a fossil fuel-related brand element or the production of a fossil fuel,” reads the act.

Violate this as a regular citizen, and the act prescribes summary conviction and a fine of up to $500,000. Violate it as an oil company, and the punishment could be as strict as two years in jail or a fine of $1,000,000.

He added that the oil and gas sector was trafficking in “disinformation” and “killing people.” Angus also twice framed his bill as the dawn of the industry’s “big tobacco moment” — an apparent reference to Canada’s blanket federal ban on tobacco advertising.
Angus defines “promotion” so broadly that it could technically apply to something as simple as a Facebook post or even an “I Love Canadian Oil and Gas” bumper sticker.

Promotion, according to Bill C-372, means “‍a representation about a product or service by any means … that is likely to influence and shape attitudes, beliefs and behaviours about the product or service.‍”

The act also criminalizes a laundry list of common pro-oil and gas arguments, even ones that have a reliable basis in fact.

Section 8 of the act makes it a crime for “a person” to argue that a fossil fuel is “less harmful than other fossil fuels.”

Natural gas, for instance, generates energy with far fewer emissions or pollutants than diesel, coal, bunker fuel or any number of “dirtier” fuels. This is why the federal government taxes natural gas at a lower benchmark than higher-emission fuels.

Nevertheless, according to C-372, anybody making such an argument should face a jail term of up to two years or a “fine not exceeding $500,000.”
These fucking people have lost their minds.
 

Ron in Regina

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Canadians would face sanction for saying that the extraction and selling of oil is a net contributor to the country’s economy — a claim that is actually made quite often by the federal government itself. “Oil and gas extraction is an important contributor to the Canadian economy,” reads a recent report by Statistics Canada.

The bill would also bring the hammer down on the ability of Canadian gas stations to hold contests or issue loyalty cards.

Bill C-372 would make it illegal for a retailer to “provide or offer to provide any consideration for the purchase of a fossil fuel.”

Any contest offering “free gas” would also be criminalized, under the bill’s prohibition on offers to “furnish or offer to furnish a fossil fuel without monetary consideration.”

Although the Trudeau government often uses catastrophic language to refer to the unchecked effects of climate change, Angus’s bill goes beyond the federal government’s usual messaging by claiming in a preamble that warming temperatures are an “existential threat” and that “protection of the environment is a valid use of the federal criminal law power.”

Nevertheless, there are exceptions.

Angus allows that movies, plays and musical performances would be allowed to “use or depict fossil fuels” or even show “the production of fossil fuels” — provided that the creator can prove that they have no links to an entity that “has as one of its purposes to promote fossil fuels.”

Canadians would also be allowed to express an “opinion, commentary or report in respect of fossil fuels” if similar guidelines are followed.
It would be illegal for an oil or gas company or employees thereof to say that natural gas emissions are 40 per cent lower than coal and 20 per cent lower than oil (a scientific fact) and therefore we should exploit more natural gas resources.

It means that noting the enormous opportunity for economic prosperity that oil and gas offers multiple First Nations communities would be criminalized, even if it were the First Nation themselves making the argument.

It means stating the fact — I emphasize not opinion, but verifiable fact — that oil and gas contribute billions of dollars to our economy and therefore are a vitally important economic engine that should be exploited could land someone in jail.
 

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What a joke . Our parlimentarians are not serious people . How can we as a society forget the miracle of natural gas in one generation ? Natural gas heating has improved the air quality in all metropolitan areas in this country and the one below us . Shit you can even see the sky now on Los Angeles, check out some old pictures from 1960 and 1970 and compare with today . Literally a night and day difference .
 

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Yep, everything is except some imbecile babbling about the Great Big Taylor Swift Super Bowl conspiracy (undoubtedly with a connection to Fidel Castro's bastard son, for Canadians) is FAKE NEWS!
I'm not sure what this has to do with the conversation. Tec tends to throw in "rubbish" when he can't make his point & this is a perfect example. Sigh....
 
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Ron in Regina

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Federal Environment Minister Stephen Guilbeault, whose press secretary told the CBC:
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“We welcome the NDP’s bill to the House. Advertisement has a big role to play in public perception, and the industry is racking in record profits. We will carefully assess their bill and look forward to productive debates and discussions around this important issue.”
This constant drive-by smearing of an industry which employs and supports the jobs of hundreds of thousands of law-abiding Canadians and provides billions of dollars in economic activity and taxes to Canadian governments is foolish, reckless and politically irresponsible.
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Actually, using Monbiot’s logic, everyone who flies should be drowned because without them the airline industry wouldn’t exist.
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Angus says his Bill C-372 — “An act respecting fossil fuel advertising” — is “limited to corporate campaigns making false claims about the ‘benefits’ of burning fossil fuels” and provides exemptions for opinion and works of art as long as they’d aren’t financed by the fossil fuel industry.
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Gas stations — thank heavens for small mercies — would be permitted to post signs saying they sell gas. But C-372 goes well beyond merely banning advertising by oil and gas companies.
 
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Ron in Regina

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Yep, everything is except some imbecile babbling about the Great Big Taylor Swift Super Bowl conspiracy (undoubtedly with a connection to Fidel Castro's bastard son, for Canadians) is FAKE NEWS!
Across the United States conservative commentators have uncovered a plot by pop megastar Taylor Swift, along with her current boyfriend, Chiefs tight end Travis Kelce, to trick unwitting American citizens into watching football games.

“This conspiracy goes all the way to the top,” insisted arch-conservative pundit Tucker Carlson. “Taylor Swift, in league with Travis Kelce, Joe Biden, the NFL, Kamala Harris, Bud Light, and probably storybook reading drag queens, have all conspired to bamboozle freedom-loving Americans into doing something they would otherwise never do – watch televised football games.”

Carlson continued, speaking from his daily show that is currently streaming from whatever platform will still employ him, “This diabolically woke master plan to deceive the American people is so simple and obvious that I don’t even need to explain it, which I absolutely could do, if I felt like it, which I don’t.”
 

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Across the United States conservative commentators have uncovered a plot by pop megastar Taylor Swift, along with her current boyfriend, Chiefs tight end Travis Kelce, to trick unwitting American citizens into watching football games.

“This conspiracy goes all the way to the top,” insisted arch-conservative pundit Tucker Carlson. “Taylor Swift, in league with Travis Kelce, Joe Biden, the NFL, Kamala Harris, Bud Light, and probably storybook reading drag queens, have all conspired to bamboozle freedom-loving Americans into doing something they would otherwise never do – watch televised football games.”

Carlson continued, speaking from his daily show that is currently streaming from whatever platform will still employ him, “This diabolically woke master plan to deceive the American people is so simple and obvious that I don’t even need to explain it, which I absolutely could do, if I felt like it, which I don’t.”
45 years of watching NFL and these fucking "swifties" have their team in the game after 4 fucking months of watching football.

Disgusting.
 

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45 years of watching NFL and these fucking "swifties" have their team in the game after 4 fucking months of watching football.

Disgusting.
Just watch the game with a bunch of people , enough noise and bs going around silences the tube .
 
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Ron in Regina

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Last week, Angus tabled a private member’s bill, C-372, that is one of the most contemptible pieces of legislation since the introduction of the Indian Act in 1876. Angus’ proposed fossil fuel advertising act would outlaw oil and gas advertising and the “promotion” of fossil fuels, even by some private citizens. If passed, this would be the most egregious attack on civil liberties in recent Canadian history.
It is astonishing that an experienced parliamentarian like Angus could bring such nonsense forward. All Canadians, of all political stripes, should be outraged at this attempt to stifle public discussion.
Through actions like this, Angus and his environmental supporters — like the Sierra Club, Suzuki Foundation, Earthjustice, Greenpeace, 350.org and others — have shown themselves to be no fans of Indigenous peoples. These single-minded environmentalist organizations ignore the interests of First Nations, Metis and Inuit communities, except when they want to impose their will on them.
It would be illegal for an oil or gas company or employees thereof to say that natural gas emissions are 40 per cent lower than coal and 20 per cent lower than oil (a scientific fact) and therefore we should exploit more natural gas resources.

It means that noting the enormous opportunity for economic prosperity that oil and gas offers multiple First Nations communities would be criminalized, even if it were a First Nation itself making the argument.
 

Ron in Regina

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The Bourgeoisie oil companies are devistating the social order of the Bolshevik movement.
The NDP in Saskatchewan and Alberta have joined together to announce they do not support a recent private member’s bill from a federal NDP Member of Parliament on restricting advertising from big oil companies.

The bill was introduced by Ontario MP Charlie Angus last week to “stop the misleading advertising and promotion of fossil fuels in Canada,” according to an announcement from the federal party.

The would-be law, Bill C-372.