Trudeau’s Newest New Carbon Tax

Ron in Regina

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Prime Minister Justin Trudeau stepped in it when he removed the carbon tax from furnace oil, while leaving 97% of Canadians out in the cold.

Even in Atlantic Canada, where Trudeau tried to buy off MPs with the carve-out, 77% of people in the region support carbon tax relief for everyone.

But Trudeau’s mistake wasn’t providing relief. The real lesson here is Trudeau never won the hearts and minds of Canadians. And he lost credibility early on. Months before the 2019 election, the former environment minister said the government had “no intention” of raising the carbon tax beyond 11¢ per litre of gas.

After the election, Trudeau announced he would keep cranking up his carbon tax until it reached 37¢ per litre.

Trudeau and his ministers repeat the myth that eight out of 10 families get more money in rebates than they pay in carbon taxes.

Their favourite talking point limps on despite the obvious reality that a government can’t raise taxes, skim money off the top to pay for hundreds of administration bureaucrats and still make everyone better off.

In fact, the carbon tax will cost the “average” family up to $710 more than they get back in rebates this year, according to the Parliamentary Budget Officer…. whatever the government defines an “average” family as…& assuming they get a “rebate” at all.

Then on the subject of definitions, has anyone actually looked up the definition of “rebate” as it relates to these carbon taxes? A rebate is defined as a partial refund to someone who has paid too much money for tax, rent, or a utility.

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So giving someone a “partial” refund from what is taken from them doesn’t put more in the pockets then not taking it from them in the first place….again assuming they even see any rebate whatsoever.

Making it more expensive to live in Canada won’t reduce emissions in China, Russia, India or the United States. And this leads to Trudeau’s diplomatic failure.

At the United Nations, the Trudeau government launched the Global Carbon Pricing Challenge to get more countries to impose carbon taxes.

“The impact and effectiveness of carbon pricing increases as more countries adopt pricing solutions,” the Trudeau government acknowledged.

The world’s largest economy, the United States, and the only country that Canada is physically connected to rejects carbon taxes. The next closest country to Canada is Greenland (a territory of Denmark), and what’s our trade volume with Greenland (or Denmark) again?
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Ron in Regina

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Two of the Trudeau government’s favourite issues – reconciliation and carbon pricing – will soon be facing off in court. The Chiefs of Ontario and the Attawapiskat First Nation are suing the federal government over allegations that their carbon pricing scheme is “discriminatory and anti-reconciliatory.”

The federal carbon tax functions by dinging you at the gas pump, and then refunding most of that money via regular CRA rebates. But the Chiefs of Ontario note that on-reserve First Nations don’t pay income taxes for any income earned on reserve – thus, they’re paying the carbon tax but not getting the rebates.

This would be easy to fix with a carbon tax carve-out for anyone flashing a status card at the gas station – but the Liberals are somewhat constrained by their promise to never, ever approve any additional carbon tax carveouts following that one they just greenlit for Atlantic Canada…because…?
 

Ron in Regina

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When it comes to misleading Canadians, Trudeau said the federal carbon tax would leave 80% of Canadian households better off financially because of rebates.

His government is still saying it, despite the fact independent, non-partisan Parliamentary Budget Officer Yves Giroux reported almost two years ago that factoring in the negative impact of the carbon tax on the economy, 60% of Canadian households paying the carbon tax are already paying more in carbon taxes than they receive in rebates, and that in some provinces, that will increase to 80% prior to 2030.

Trudeau says his carbon tax is a key component in Canada’s efforts to effectively combat climate change.

But the PBO reported in November 2022 that Canada’s emissions, at 1.6% of the global total, are not large enough to materially impact climate change.

Trudeau’s then environment minister, Catherine McKenna, said prior to the 2019 federal election, that the Liberals would freeze the carbon tax at $50 per tonne of emissions in 2022.
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She subsequently said the government might raise the carbon tax after the 2019 election, but hadn’t made up its mind.

After the 2019 election, Trudeau announced his government would raise the carbon tax annually from $50 per tonne of emissions in 2022, to $170 per tonne in 2030.
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In April 2023, the Trudeau government — which reports Canada’s emissions two years after the fact — said Canada’s emissions in 2021 were 670 million tonnes, 11 million tonnes, or 1.8% higher, than the 659 million tonnes Canada emitted in 2020….but then our population increased by 1/2 a million people annually in the moving goalposts of carbon tax math…
 

Ron in Regina

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Spanning 1.3 billion acres, the Boreal Forest is the Earth's largest terrestrial carbon storehouse, storing 208 billion tons of carbon, or 11% of the world's total.
A large portion of the world’s boreal zone lies in Canada (28% or 552 million hectares).
28% of 11% is 3.08%…& According to the Government of Canada, Canada's total GHG emissions in 2020 were 672 megatonnes of carbon dioxide equivalent (MtCO2e). Globally, Canada's share of GHG emissions is less than 1.5%.
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So…just from the Boreal Forest in Canada alone, Canada already sequesters about double its carbon output annually, before any carbon punishment from the Trudeau Singh NDP Liberals. Even if the 1.6% of global emissions figure is used instead as it’s widely quoted…then Canada would still be sequestering almost Double over any emissions it’s releasing.
The economies of Alberta, Saskatchewan, Newfoundland and Labradorand the territories rely heavily on natural resources.
In Canada, natural resource projects mostly fall under provincial jurisdiction, while transport and communications projects that cross provincial boundaries, such as railways or pipelines, are federal.

Canada's Supreme Court dealt a blow to Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's government in mid-Oct 2023 by ruling that a federal law assessing how major projects such as coal mines and oil sands plants impact the environment is largely unconstitutional.

The decision is a victory for Alberta, Canada's main fossil fuel-producing province, which challenged the Impact Assessment Act (IAA), saying it gave Ottawa too much power to kill natural resource projects.
Canada’s electricity grid is over 80% emissions-free—one of the cleanest in the world—and is on track to meet its goal of having 90% non-emitting electricity generation by 2030.
Natural gas and oil are burned for electricity generation, industrial uses, transportation, and to heat homes and commercial buildings. In fact, the majority of GHG emissions are released at the end-user stage when consumers use natural gas and oil for heat, electricity, fuel and other important products.
Canada’s annual exports of “clean” products and carbon-free energy total some $18 billion, out of total goods exports that exceeded $750 billion in 2021. By comparison, exports of crude oil, oil products and natural gas—by far Canada’s biggest export category—are on course to reach $200 billion by mid-decade.
 
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Canada’s electricity grid is over 80% emissions-free—one of the cleanest in the world—and is on track to meet its goal of having 90% non-emitting electricity generation by 2030.
They must be counting nuke power to get this number, which is the most dangerous and polluting power available.
 

Ron in Regina

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They must be counting nuke power to get this number, which is the most dangerous and polluting power available.
A look at Statistics Canada’s Environmental and Clean Technology Products Economic Account sheds some light on the issue. The account charts the size, growth and composition of the nascent clean/green economy by quantifying the economic contributions of industries that fall under the clean/green label.

According to Statistics Canada’s framework, these industries include renewable and other carbon-free sources of electricity (hydro, wind, solar, nuclear), bio-fuels production, energy storage, sewage and wastewater treatment, carbon capture and storage, waste management services, the development and manufacturing of clean technology products (such as batteries for electric vehicles, pollution control equipment, water purifying systems and fuel cells) and an array of scientific, technical and professional services that help protect the environment and improve energy efficiency.

Using this definition, how big is Canada’s clean economy? Today, it amounts to about 3% of gross domestic product (GDP) and directly employs 314,000 Canadians—roughly 1.6 per cent of all jobs. Those numbers aren’t chump change, but they cast doubt on the notion that the economy is being quickly restructured owing to the ascension of clean technologies, renewable electricity and other green industries—driven in part by mandates and subsidies adopted by governments.

A deeper dive into the data indicates that electricity generated from carbon-free sources (mainly hydro and nuclear) represents the largest slice of Canada’s clean/green sector in economic terms.
They must be counting nuke power to get this number, which is the most dangerous and polluting power available.
Waste management also accounts for a sizable portion. In fact, carbon-free electricity and waste management services together comprise more than 40 per cent of the economic activity attributable to the clean economy. “Green” construction makes up another one-fifth of the sector’s output. The other industries in the clean economy collectively produce a little over 1 per cent of GDP.
In setting climate and energy policy, the officials inhabiting Prime Minister Trudeau’s Ottawa dream palace would be wise not to overlook the other 97% of our economy.
 

bob the dog

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Curious how much last nights fireworks around the world contributed to global warming? Yes it is pretty but it is over faster than sex. Seems like something we could just say no to.
 
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petros

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I'm not. I know nukes are dangerous and pollute the environment. Also that the majority of anti fossil fuel crowd are pro nuke. Which explains a lot.
Yeah you are. No they dont pollute. You can walk around with reactor fuel in your front pocket. Candu, SMR and Saskatchewan Westinghouse micro nukes all use pellets.

1kg of pellets equals several sq km of firewood that will kill you quicker by breathing shit in everytime you crack open the woodstove.


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Ron in Regina

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Millions of Canadians are keeping an anxious eye on their thermostats, praying the power stays on and bracing for carbon-taxed heating bills to arrive.

A frigid winter cold snap delivered daytime temperatures in the minus-30s Celsius, with overnight wind chills of more than -50 C Celsius in parts of Canada. Natural gas furnaces are running around the clock, keeping families from freezing and water pipes from bursting.

The situation got scary Saturday when an Alberta-wide alarm blared across smartphones, TVs and radios. The province warned the power grid was maxing out and rotating blackouts were about to hit.

Alberta Premier Danielle Smith took to social media imploring Albertans to turn off their lights, stop using appliances and hunker down to save the power grid from blacking out. Saskatchewan Premier Scott Moe tagged in, announcing his province was sending 153 megawatts to Alberta.

When it’s -40 C, running the furnace isn’t a luxury, it’s a necessity. And yet, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is punishing Canadians with a carbon tax for the sin of staying warm and staying alive in winter.

“We are putting more money back in your pocket and making it easier for you to find affordable, long-term solutions to heat your home,” Trudeau said, when he removed the carbon tax from home heating oil for three years.

This was an admission of an obvious reality: the carbon tax makes life more expensive. Otherwise, why would Trudeau take the carbon tax off a form of heating energy?

Trudeau’s carbon tax carve-out was a political ploy to keep his Atlantic MPs from revolting while support for the Liberals plummeted in their typical stronghold.

While many Atlantic Canadians use heating oil, 97% of Canadian families use other forms of energy, like natural gas or propane, and won’t get any relief from the feds this winter.

Even in Atlantic Canada, 77% of people in the region want carbon tax relief for all Canadians this winter, according to a Leger poll commission by the Canadian Taxpayers Federation. Provincial politicians of all stripes have demanded the feds take the carbon tax off everyone’s heating bill.

That’s because staying warm isn’t a partisan issue. All Canadians need to heat their home. And we shouldn’t be punished with a tax just to survive the winter.

Trudeau should completely scrap his carbon tax. But, at the very least he should extend the same relief he provided to Atlantic Canadians and take the carbon tax off everyone’s home heating bill.
 
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Ron in Regina

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Mother Nature has reminded everyone the stakes in the battle to preserve and expand Alberta’s natural gas power production are very high — basically, life or death.

Last week’s polar vortex drove temperatures into record negative territory across western Canada. Nighttime temperatures in Alberta, for example, reached -51C at Keg River. Without sufficient power for running the heat on high, these are killing temperatures. Demand for electricity in Alberta soared, pushing the power grid toward potential need for rolling blackouts. Only voluntary cutbacks in electricity use by Albertans allowed the system to avoid curtailment.

What did the grid look like last week?

On Jan. 13, according to one report, natural gas generated 80.5% of power on Alberta’s grid followed by coal (7.9%), biomass (2.9%), hydropower (2.5%), solar power (1.3%) and wind (0.99%). But wind and solar’s low combined output was not the major cause of Alberta’s energy crunch last week — two of Alberta’s natural gas power plants were down for maintenance and not generating what they otherwise would have.

And yet, while gas and coal combined produced nearly 90% of Alberta’s life-saving electricity, these fuels remain in the crosshairs of Ottawa and the Trudeau government’s proposal that greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions from electricity production in Canada must decline to “net zero” by 2035.

The potential peril of power outages during a polar vortex shows the importance of ensuring Alberta has a reliable dispatchable electrical generation capacity able to meet even extreme demand. Wind and solar power, favoured under the Trudeau government’s proposed clean electricity regulations, can’t supply that. Premier Smith is right to bank on natural gas generation for Alberta’s future, and she should stand fast. As remaining coal power plants are closed, natural gas will be the foundation of Alberta’s energy stability and it must be defended.
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Mother Nature has reminded everyone the stakes in the battle to preserve and expand Alberta’s natural gas power production are very high — basically, life or death.

Last week’s polar vortex drove temperatures into record negative territory across western Canada. Nighttime temperatures in Alberta, for example, reached -51C at Keg River. Without sufficient power for running the heat on high, these are killing temperatures. Demand for electricity in Alberta soared, pushing the power grid toward potential need for rolling blackouts. Only voluntary cutbacks in electricity use by Albertans allowed the system to avoid curtailment.

What did the grid look like last week?

On Jan. 13, according to one report, natural gas generated 80.5% of power on Alberta’s grid followed by coal (7.9%), biomass (2.9%), hydropower (2.5%), solar power (1.3%) and wind (0.99%). But wind and solar’s low combined output was not the major cause of Alberta’s energy crunch last week — two of Alberta’s natural gas power plants were down for maintenance and not generating what they otherwise would have.

And yet, while gas and coal combined produced nearly 90% of Alberta’s life-saving electricity, these fuels remain in the crosshairs of Ottawa and the Trudeau government’s proposal that greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions from electricity production in Canada must decline to “net zero” by 2035.

The potential peril of power outages during a polar vortex shows the importance of ensuring Alberta has a reliable dispatchable electrical generation capacity able to meet even extreme demand. Wind and solar power, favoured under the Trudeau government’s proposed clean electricity regulations, can’t supply that. Premier Smith is right to bank on natural gas generation for Alberta’s future, and she should stand fast. As remaining coal power plants are closed, natural gas will be the foundation of Alberta’s energy stability and it must be defended.
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They missed the part about BC buying from AB to survive then SK making up the slack AB needed and our own needs.
 

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Mother Nature has reminded everyone the stakes in the battle to preserve and expand Alberta’s natural gas power production are very high — basically, life or death.

Last week’s polar vortex drove temperatures into record negative territory across western Canada. Nighttime temperatures in Alberta, for example, reached -51C at Keg River. Without sufficient power for running the heat on high, these are killing temperatures. Demand for electricity in Alberta soared, pushing the power grid toward potential need for rolling blackouts. Only voluntary cutbacks in electricity use by Albertans allowed the system to avoid curtailment.

What did the grid look like last week?

On Jan. 13, according to one report, natural gas generated 80.5% of power on Alberta’s grid followed by coal (7.9%), biomass (2.9%), hydropower (2.5%), solar power (1.3%) and wind (0.99%). But wind and solar’s low combined output was not the major cause of Alberta’s energy crunch last week — two of Alberta’s natural gas power plants were down for maintenance and not generating what they otherwise would have.

And yet, while gas and coal combined produced nearly 90% of Alberta’s life-saving electricity, these fuels remain in the crosshairs of Ottawa and the Trudeau government’s proposal that greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions from electricity production in Canada must decline to “net zero” by 2035.

The potential peril of power outages during a polar vortex shows the importance of ensuring Alberta has a reliable dispatchable electrical generation capacity able to meet even extreme demand. Wind and solar power, favoured under the Trudeau government’s proposed clean electricity regulations, can’t supply that. Premier Smith is right to bank on natural gas generation for Alberta’s future, and she should stand fast. As remaining coal power plants are closed, natural gas will be the foundation of Alberta’s energy stability and it must be defended.
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Did the windmills actually work? I bet they froze! Don't know cuz I was in a warmer climate at the time. Lucky break!
 
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Mother Nature has reminded everyone the stakes in the battle to preserve and expand Alberta’s natural gas power production are very high — basically, life or death.

Last week’s polar vortex drove temperatures into record negative territory across western Canada. Nighttime temperatures in Alberta, for example, reached -51C at Keg River. Without sufficient power for running the heat on high, these are killing temperatures. Demand for electricity in Alberta soared, pushing the power grid toward potential need for rolling blackouts. Only voluntary cutbacks in electricity use by Albertans allowed the system to avoid curtailment.