Chretien was almost as good or autocratic as Harper. Harper just took it to a higher level. Knowing that the caucus was all over the place on party platform. He had to do that to win.
Else we would have had Elmer as PM.
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Chretien was almost as good or autocratic as Harper. Harper just took it to a higher level. Knowing that the caucus was all over the place on party platform. He had to do that to win.
Else we would have had Elmer as PM.
Meh. I don't care for Harpy either but better the devil I know than the one I don't.
Even scarier.
I had it with Harper after he came out with the New Veterans Charter. You know who Elmer is?
People also have said this about people like Hitler and Stalin, "How bad could things get if he stays in power". The danger with "people" like Harper is they probably have no limit to the amount of damage they're capable of inflicting.
Harper's been in for 8 or 9 years, actually. Only 2.5 as a majority maybe. His course has been moderate, I agree. But scandals accumulate and people are fickle, and they'll turf him just for being around too long. But, ihn his favour, the left looks determined to split the vote between (at least) four parties, so Harper has that going for him.
That's the danger with people period. Fore warned is fore armed. Can't say we know what Junior would be like.
Thought you were referring to Mr. Laymton.
He comes from a tradition of middle-of-the-road politics, I doubt we're going to end up with a extremist moderate in the PMO. It's when you go to either end of the spectrum that you end up with extreme forms of government both left or right.
I also get why people who occupy extreme political positions would really dislike him and his father, but the Liberals were so successful for so long because most Canadians do occupy that "wishy-washy" middle ground that makes extremists skin crawl.
Ya think? Harpy's only slightly to the right of center. And as I pointed out, it was Turdeau's party that dumped the bulk of healthcare onto the provinces after decades of neglecting it, cut back senior's programs from hell to breaky, enabled student debt to skyrocket, etc. just so it could balance the budget for a couple years.
I agree, most people are fickle as hell and flipflop around like pancakes. And the Liberal Party reflected that very well.
Who's party was it that put Brian Bulroney in for eight years so he could have a deficit of thirty to fifty billion dollars
every year he was in office. Harper has spent a hundred billion dollars in about the last four years. Having spent
all that money, are the new fighter jets even ordered yet? How about the new frigates?
The Canadian Public
And the Liberals and NDP cried for more spending.
Jets - nope not yet
Frigates - some will come.
lol So because the Cons are screwy means that the Gliberals must be ok, huh? Sorry, I don't follow that sort of "logic".
Not that you were ever capable of winning a debate based on reality, but you just lost, hands down.
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As has been shown time and time again, he was paying for PET's purchases and gov't expansion.
I can see why you would want to keep ignoring that little fact.
Largely at the behest and urging of the opposition and company.
Where the center is now maybe, but the whole political spectrum has been pulled to the right so the NDP now occupy what used to be the middle as can be seen in how they're no longer claiming to represent socialist policies.
Harper is about as radical a leader as we've had in years, his constant attacks on the foundations of our political system bring up questions about whether or not we even have a democratic system. One of the first steps Justin Trudeau has taken is to make commitments to rebuilding much of the damage that's been done, whether or not he'll succeed is going to be determined by a lot of factors.
We know for a fact based on his actions that Harper is anti-democratic, why even place him in the same category as Justin Trudeau? Harper is the end of a democratic Canada if he and his ideology continue much longer, Trudeau represents a possible rebirth of a democratic Canada if he comes through on his commitments.
Are you saying that teh opposition has more power than the Conservative majority? That's hardly a ringing endorsement for the Conservatvies, is it? ha ha ha.
They all know that what they are working on in Canada is a self-investment/foreign investment and private investment legacy far bigger than all of them.
In 10-15 years when current goals are nailed, we'll all be sitting pretty thanks to an effort that was for Canada and had nothing to do with parties.
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