Trudeau’s abortion move guarantees renewed debate within Conservative party

[mentalfloss]

Yea, the Libs aren't going anywhere if they pretend to please everyone.

These days, you need to find a wedge and stick to one side to guarantee support as majorities are typically based on 40% of the vote.

 

[taxslave]

Yea, the Libs aren't going anywhere if they pretend to please everyone.

These days, you need to find a wedge and stick to one side to guarantee support as majorities are typically based on 40% of the vote.

Most important if your goal is power as opposed to doing what is best for the country.
Best to stick to the important thingslike ensuring resources are extracted so as to provide good paying jobs and tax revenue to provide social programs and avoid contraversial and devisive social issues.

 

[BornRuff]

Most important if your goal is power as opposed to doing what is best for the country.
Best to stick to the important thingslike ensuring resources are extracted so as to provide good paying jobs and tax revenue to provide social programs and avoid contraversial and devisive social issues.

It is politics. You can't do anything if you are not in power.

If you like Harper, then you already like someone who puts power before all else. You just happen to like what he does with that power.

 

[Colpy]

It is politics. You can't do anything if you are not in power.

If you like Harper, then you already like someone who puts power before all else. You just happen to like what he does with that power.

...and not always.

I have some serious problems with the Conservatives, despite being a member. Their treatment of veterans is simply not on, the war on drugs is idiotic, I dislike their tendency to want to spy on us, and their dedication to the failed, unfair and overly rigid concept of mandatory sentencing is simply not on.

Now offer me an alternative: one that is a good caretaker of the economy, that will build the infrastructure to sell our resources, that will support our allies in the world, and that will stay the hell out of my gun locker.

There isn't one.

 

[BornRuff]

Now offer me an alternative: one that is a good caretaker of the economy, that will build the infrastructure to sell our resources, that will support our allies in the world, and that will stay the hell out of my gun locker.

There isn't one.

Those are some pretty specific interests, so obviously you know who you want to vote for. There are lots of people in this country with differing views on these issues though. Just because someone represents a different group than you doesn't mean that they are stupid or bad at their job.

 

[petros]

one that is a good caretaker of the economy

Harper has been a good caretaker of the Liberal economic plan. David Emerson's bipartisan leadership of the plan is proof of that.

 

[pgs]

...and not always.

I have some serious problems with the Conservatives, despite being a member. Their treatment of veterans is simply not on, the war on drugs is idiotic, I dislike their tendency to want to spy on us, and their dedication to the failed, unfair and overly rigid concept of mandatory sentencing is simply not on.

Now offer me an alternative: one that is a good caretaker of the economy, that will build the infrastructure to sell our resources, that will support our allies in the world, and that will stay the hell out of my gun locker.

There isn't one.

Really Colpy You would vote for those evil conservatives don't you know they want to cut down all the trees and put a power plant on every corner all the while keeping their womenfolk locked in the kitchen bare foot and pregnant .


And Heir Harper he is a worse dictator then Mussolini and he at least made the trains run on time ( no word about budget ) and never hid a host in his pocket .

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

Harper says no plans to reopen abortion debate as issue simmers in N.B. | CTV Atlantic News

Poor prolifers have nowhere left to go.

Actually, even on this board I've seen a few Liberals jump off the the Good Ship Trudeau Pop. Spin it how you like.

...and not always.

I have some serious problems with the Conservatives, despite being a member. Their treatment of veterans is simply not on, the war on drugs is idiotic, I dislike their tendency to want to spy on us, and their dedication to the failed, unfair and overly rigid concept of mandatory sentencing is simply not on.

Now offer me an alternative: one that is a good caretaker of the economy, that will build the infrastructure to sell our resources, that will support our allies in the world, and that will stay the hell out of my gun locker.

There isn't one.

I concur

 

[mentalfloss]

Actually, even on this board I've seen a few Liberals jump off the the Good Ship Trudeau Pop. Spin it how you like.

The news hasn't affected their 5 point lead over Cons in the polls.

Latest vote projection: Liberals get bump from EKOS poll - Politics Live - News, commentary and analysis from The Globe and Mail's politics team

 

[JLM]

Harper has been a good caretaker of the Liberal economic plan. David Emerson's bipartisan leadership of the plan is proof of that.

There's a real A$$hole!

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

The news hasn't affected their 5 point lead over Cons in the polls.

Latest vote projection: Liberals get bump from EKOS poll - Politics Live - News, commentary and analysis from The Globe and Mail's politics team

Polls are subjective and come election day he will.

 

[JLM]

The news hasn't affected their 5 point lead over Cons in the polls.

Latest vote projection: Liberals get bump from EKOS poll - Politics Live - News, commentary and analysis from The Globe and Mail's politics team

Party in power is traditionally lower in the polls, that is nothing new and means very little. For proof look at the BC Liberal's popularity figures on May 13, 2013. -

 

[BornRuff]

Actually, even on this board I've seen a few Liberals jump off the the Good Ship Trudeau Pop. Spin it how you like.

Again, if you go from trying to please everyone to trying to lay out a more clear and concrete vision, you are going to piss off a few people. That isn't the end of the world.

Party in power is traditionally lower in the polls, that is nothing new and means very little. For proof look at the BC Liberal's popularity figures on May 13, 2013. -

Well, no. It isn't a tradition for ruling parties to be lower in the polls than the opposition. It usually happens as the party is nearing it's expiry date and is ready to be voted out.

Of course, that isn't a rule though. Sometimes polls simply don't accurately predict results, other times things change over the election period.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

Again, if you go from trying to please everyone to trying to lay out a more clear and concrete vision, you are going to piss off a few people. That isn't the end of the world.

His policy isn't about vision, it's about forcing his members to tow the party line. Personally, I could careless about his vision, but his supporters aren't going to get in line and that will hurt him.

His leadership of the Liberal Party was all about a name, not vision and that is the problem with the Federal Libs, they just don't get it, but they will when this Rock Star wannabe fails to deliver.

 

[mentalfloss]

Polls are subjective and come election day he will.

His performance on election day will have nothing to do with abortions - except maybe his own.

 

[BornRuff]

His policy isn't about vision, it's about forcing his members to tow the party line. Personally, I could careless about his vision, but his supporters aren't going to get in line and that will hurt him.

Those are really the same things. If your party is going to advance any sort cohesive vision, the members have to fall in line behind you.

As expected, this more firm stance has made a few people mad. You see the same thing in Harper's caucus, where some members have even become so frustrated that they have openly attacked his controlling leadership style in the house of commons. But that control is also what got him to where he is today.

His leadership of the Liberal Party was all about a name, not vision and that is the problem with the Federal Libs, they just don't get it, but they will when this Rock Star wannabe fails to deliver.

He is elected to lead the Liberals. It is not necessary that political opponents like you like him. Harper has gone very far being despised by opponents pretty much from day one.

The results so far speak for themselves. Way more success fundraising, way more success in the polls, and strong by-election results. At this point in his tenure, how much more successful could he be?

 

[mentalfloss]

Listening to John Tory yesterday and he has been saying the same thing as there are a number of people who don't like him either. You stake out your stable territory and make adjustments from there. Going for everyone will kill your chances as we found out in the last election where Liberals were trying to please everyone and the Cons made the economy their focus.

 

[JLM]

His policy isn't about vision, it's about forcing his members to tow the party line. Personally, I could careless about his vision, but his supporters aren't going to get in line and that will hurt him.

His leadership of the Liberal Party was all about a name, not vision and that is the problem with the Federal Libs, they just don't get it, but they will when this Rock Star wannabe fails to deliver.

Glad to see someone sees "the picture"

 

[mentalfloss]

Glad to see someone sees "the picture"

The Prickly Curmudgeons see all.

 

[BornRuff]

Listening to John Tory yesterday and he has been saying the same thing as there are a number of people who don't like him either. You stake out your stable territory and make adjustments from there. Going for everyone will kill your chances as we found out in the last election where Liberals were trying to please everyone and the Cons made the economy their focus.

That is kind of funny, since Tory has the lowest "disapproval" rating of all of the major mayoral candidates.

Tory looks to be in exactly the same situation as the Liberal have been. He is trying to please everyone and has not identified a clear base to work on. Much of that is likely caused by Rob Ford's unclear presence in the race.