Trudeau 'welcomes' ethics probe of alleged PMO interference in SNC-Lavalin case

[Twin_Moose]

I’ve been tied up for the last couple days and probably for the next couple days.... But I’m checking in while I’m having coffee and coming to life before work this morning... And I don’t see anything here about youth minister Chagger being caught in her lies to the finance committee or reference to the press conference on Parliament Hill by Charlie Angus?? Chagger apparently has lied (at this point they’re still calling it misled) two different committees with respect to WE, & and this would have been exposed in the documents released by the liberal party if they weren’t so heavily redacted...but the newspaper “The Star” manage to come up with a set of documents somewhere without being redacted which is exposing the truth.
Chagger, being the first person to testify in front of the finance committee regarding WE charity & WE foundation, apparently like 23 times in an hour that has been exposed so far in an effort to mislead the committee and to mislead Canadians. Connecting the dots shows that if she’s lying then Kyle and Craig Keilburger Would also have been lying. This definitely shows a different light on these two not wanting to provide documentation that they’ve already promised a provide to the same finance committee.
On that note with some of the truth coming to light so far even with 5000 pages of heavily redacted documents, Who else that has testified in front of the finance committee has lied their arses off? Both Justin Trudeau and Bill Morneau (& Katie Telford) are involved in this goat rodeo up to their eyebrows, and as the truth starts coming out in the media this may shine a very different light on Bill Morneau “stepping down” recently, etc....

NDP says documents prove youth minister played key role in WE decision

OTTAWA — Federal New Democrats are citing recently released documents as proof that Youth Minister Bardish Chagger was the key driver in the Liberal government's decision to have WE Charity administer a multimillion-dollar student-volunteer program.

NDP ethics critic Charlie Angus levelled the charge against Chagger Tuesday, alleging the documents released last month directly contradict the Liberals' assertion that public servants recommended WE's run the now-defunct Canada Student Service Grant.

The documents had been requested by the House of Commons finance committee as part of an investigation of the government's deal with WE, which the Toronto-based youth organization backed out of in early July amid political controversy.

WE has long ties to Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and his family, including paying close relatives to appear at WE events.

"Throughout this scandal, the prime minister and the Liberal government have affirmed again and again and again that it was the civil service that drove this agenda," Angus said during a news conference on Parliament Hill.

"But thanks to the government documents that have been revealed, we now know that that is simply not true."

Angus focused on an email that WE co-founder Craig Kielburger sent Chagger on April 22, in which Kielburger thanked the minister for meeting with him five days earlier to discuss WE's idea of creating a small business program for young people to promote entrepreneurship during the COVID-19 pandemic.

"We appreciate your thoughtful offer to connect us with relevant members of your ministry," Kielburger added. "Over the weekend, our team has also been hard at work to adapt your suggestion of a second stream focused on a summer service opportunity."

That "second stream" was what became the grant program, Angus alleged as he cited several email exchanges between federal bureaucrats and WE in the days between Chagger's meeting with Kielburger and his follow-up email.

"If you look at the documents, it's clear that was the key moment that drove this agenda forward," Angus said.

"Prior to April 17, you can see in the documents that the government was all over the map. There were many, many options on the table. But after April 17, there's only one plan: It's the Kielburger plan."

Much of the controversy surrounding the deal with WE has revolved around its ties with the prime minister and former finance minister Bill Morneau, both of whom are now being investigated by the ethics commissioner for potential conflict of interest.

While Trudeau and Morneau have both apologized for not recusing themselves from cabinet's discussions about the arrangement, which would have paid WE up to $43 million if the program were very successful, they have insisted the public service recommended the organization run the program.

Chagger herself did not mention the April 17 meeting with Kielburger when she appeared before the finance committee in July, and later said the discussion only revolved around the youth business proposal, which the government did not pursue.

"As the minister responsible for the Canada Service Corps, I spoke about the importance of youth and service; I at no time directed WE Charity to amend or adjust or add any proposal," she added in a statement on Aug. 19 that was resent by her office Tuesday.

"Furthermore, I did not speak about the Canada Student Service Grant, as I was not aware of plans for such a program at that time."

Angus noted that many of the documents provided to the finance committee were blacked out by the government before they were released, and suggested there are still many unanswered questions about what really happened.

Opposition parties have been forced to table those questions for now, however, after Trudeau suspended several committee investigations into the deal by proroguing Parliament until a speech from the throne on Sept. 23.

While Angus accused Chagger of having misled Parliament and Canadians and called on her to resign from cabinet, he would not say whether that would be a condition for the NDP to support the Liberals in the confidence vote that will follow the throne speech.

"We expect accountability from the government, and I expect the prime minister to show accountability," Angus said. "But our focus right now is going to be what's in that throne speech."

 

[Ron in Regina]

If Chagger “Misled” 23 times in just a single hour in front of the Finance Committee, that’s past misleading and well into bald faced lying. If Chagger is caught, then the Kielburgers are also just as guilty as Chagger went first, and I’m sure they would have followed her testimony and yet they didn’t correct it...& her lies where about meeting with them. Trudeau sure didn’t correct things when he had his turn and it’s not like Trudeau & Chagger didn’t have contact with each other as when he allows Parliament to actually meet...Chagger is almost close enough on Trudeau’s left so that he can keep his hand up her butt like the Ventriloquist Muppet that she is, regurgitating Trudeau’s words from a different voice.
Morneau got caught, and got gone before he got tossed. Knew it was time to bail from the SS Trudeau before even more stink rubbed off and would begin to affect Morneau Chappell like it did with WE Charity circling the bowl. Some of the truth is out in spite of the lies and the redacted documents, and hopefully the rest will be allowed to see the light of day in front of the Canadian people for all that it actually is in the full light of day.

 

[Twin_Moose]

Whistleblowers troubled by Trudeau's warm words about Gov. Gen. Julie Payette

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's defence of the beleaguered Governor General this week has rattled some of those who complained of Julie Payette's behaviour at work — while others say they're now more determined to speak to the independent investigator looking into claims of workplace harassment at Rideau Hall.

On Wednesday, Trudeau called Payette an "excellent" Governor General and said he has no intention "right now"' of asking the Queen to replace her. Payette's office is the subject of an independent review responding to claims of harassment and a toxic work environment.

"We have an excellent Governor General right now and I think, on top of the COVID crisis, nobody's looking at any constitutional crises," Trudeau told RED FM in Vancouver.

The article goes on to say

One complainant who alleges Di Lorenzo harassed them said if the prime minister really felt Payette was doing a good job, he would have said so in July when the original story broke.

"For him to wait a month to say he supports the Governor General that he hand-selected is bizarre. It shows he cares about the optics at this stage, not the actual people who have been harassed or bullied.

"I think there's a political game going on."

The source said Trudeau could be worried about Payette adding something unexpected to her delivery of the speech from the throne on Sept. 23, or what might happen if there's a sudden election.

"To get rid of her at this point when there may be a fall election is very difficult and, constitutionally, it would be a mess. It would be quite different if we were in a majority situation."

Which really makes sense why Trudie came out in support of Payette

 

[JLM]

Whistleblowers troubled by Trudeau's warm words about Gov. Gen. Julie Payette

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's defence of the beleaguered Governor General this week has rattled some of those who complained of Julie Payette's behaviour at work — while others say they're now more determined to speak to the independent investigator looking into claims of workplace harassment at Rideau Hall.



The article goes on to say



Which really makes sense why Trudie came out in support of Payette

Sounds like the taxpayers are stuck with two useless c**ts.

 

[Mowich]

If Chagger “Misled” 23 times in just a single hour in front of the Finance Committee, that’s past misleading and well into bald faced lying. If Chagger is caught, then the Kielburgers are also just as guilty as Chagger went first, and I’m sure they would have followed her testimony and yet they didn’t correct it...& her lies where about meeting with them. Trudeau sure didn’t correct things when he had his turn and it’s not like Trudeau & Chagger didn’t have contact with each other as when he allows Parliament to actually meet...Chagger is almost close enough on Trudeau’s left so that he can keep his hand up her butt like the Ventriloquist Muppet that she is, regurgitating Trudeau’s words from a different voice.
Morneau got caught, and got gone before he got tossed. Knew it was time to bail from the SS Trudeau before even more stink rubbed off and would begin to affect Morneau Chappell like it did with WE Charity circling the bowl. Some of the truth is out in spite of the lies and the redacted documents, and hopefully the rest will be allowed to see the light of day in front of the Canadian people for all that it actually is in the full light of day.

Ron, she was caught the moment during the hearings when the Chair told her to answer the question Yes or No............and she said Yes. Yes she did meet with a brother and discussed WE heading the program. This after lies, obfuscation, spewing the party line and doing everything she possibly could to avoid answering. She should have been shown the door the moment she left the hearings.

Now that the PM has stood staunchly by the side of his 'star candidate' Julie Payette who has been in the news for alleged abusive conduct towards her staff. " ...... the Privy Council Office confirmed it hired a third-party firm, ...Ottawa-based Quintet Consulting Corp., to conduct an investigation into workplace harassment allegations....", he now has the Chaggar fall-out to deal with. Of the two, it would be easier to dump Chaggar but then he would be violating his oft stated woke feminism and his much avowed support of minorities should he do so. Also, though I don't know the current numbers, it could very well upset his gender balance credo.


This close to a possible election, I believe he will simply duck and dive on any questions regarding Chaggar, the WE inquiry, the GG and anything else that he deems the public has no right to know.

www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/trudeau-ethics-election-campaign_

 

[pgs]

Ron, she was caught the moment during the hearings when the Chair told her to answer the question Yes or No............and she said Yes. Yes she did meet with a brother and discussed WE heading the program. This after lies, obfuscation, spewing the party line and doing everything she possibly could to avoid answering. She should have been shown the door the moment she left the hearings.

Now that the PM has stood staunchly by the side of his 'star candidate' Julie Payette who has been in the news for alleged abusive conduct towards her staff. " ...... the Privy Council Office confirmed it hired a third-party firm, ...Ottawa-based Quintet Consulting Corp., to conduct an investigation into workplace harassment allegations....", he now has the Chaggar fall-out to deal with. Of the two, it would be easier to dump Chaggar but then he would be violating his oft stated woke feminism and his much avowed support of minorities should he do so. Also, though I don't know the current numbers, it could very well upset his gender balance credo.


This close to a possible election, I believe he will simply duck and dive on any questions regarding Chaggar, the WE inquiry, the GG and anything else that he deems the public has no right to know.

www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/trudeau-ethics-election-campaign_

Most open and transparent government ever .

 

[Mowich]

Yes, she will work herself into a position where she will get very little respect. What's she going to do when her hero is gone?

She's a smart cookie and knows well the political game. She is also an opportunist - thus the many cabinet positions.

Far as I know, she is still popular in her riding and winning that is all it would take to make a bid for leadership. I would never write Freeland off lightly.

 

[Mowich]

All she is doing at this point is volunteering to take over being Captain of the Titanic

I don't think so, Cap. IMHO, she is accruing creds, piling up the portfolios and biding her time. She has long been a proponent of fixing what she sees as income equality gaps and thus is in lock-step with the PM on that issue and will have no problem whatsoever in devoting millions to their cause. As I mentioned to JLM, she is still popular in her riding and honestly I don't see that changing. As long as she doesn't completely screw up - which I don't see happening - she could come out this and easily win re-election.

I believe she is looking at the long game and is not interested in becoming another Kim Campbell - fall girl for her leader. Dreams of a leadership campaign visit her nightly.

.canada.com/news/politics/trudeau-and-freeland/wcm/0bb7f1b5-9ea3-4cd1-8b11-b9cdfdad4ab8

 

[JLM]

She's a smart cookie and knows well the political game. She is also an opportunist - thus the many cabinet positions.

Far as I know, she is still popular in her riding and winning that is all it would take to make a bid for leadership. I would never write Freeland off lightly.

I guess first and foremost if an M.P. (MLA) works hard for the people in his/her riding that should bode well for re election.

 

[Mowich]

I guess first and foremost if an M.P. (MLA) works hard for the people in his/her riding that should bode well for re election.

There is that, JLM but it could also be that her riding is RED aka LIBERAL through and through no matter the candidate - that happens too. Also known as 'sure seat'.

 

[Mowich]

I'm not sure she can ever be fully trusted. When the Asshole dumped Jody Wilson Raybould and Jane Philpott, she didn't lift a finger to thwart their dismissal.

No she didn't and Ottawa gossip had it that she had major issues with Wilson-Raybould who she saw as a possible threat to her dreams of leadership. I imagine she did a happy dance when her cabinet mate was shown the door.

 

[Mowich]

I'm not sure she can ever be fully trusted. When the Asshole dumped Jody Wilson Raybould and Jane Philpott, she didn't lift a finger to thwart their dismissal.

Well when it comes right down to it, not a single liberal government member can be trusted, so she's hardly a stand-out in that category.

 

[Mowich]

Yeah, it takes a little gumption and intestinal fortitude!

She has plenty of both, JLM - thing is they serve her and not others. She will fight hard for what she believes in and has all the intestinal fortitude to see her through any storm that may darken her horizon.

 

[Mowich]

http://www.stcatharinesstandard.ca/...misleading-canadians-during-we-testimony.html

Go Charlie. That guy is a pit bull. Always looked forward to his turn at questions when the hearings were taking place. Never lost his cool, yet scored numerous points with his ability to have facts at his fingertips that easily put the witness on the hot seat.

 

[Mowich]

http://www.stcatharinesstandard.ca/ts/politics/federal/2020/09

Oops.........DP.

 

[Twin_Moose]

Go Charlie. That guy is a pit bull. Always looked forward to his turn at questions when the hearings were taking place. Never lost his cool, yet scored numerous points with his ability to have facts at his fingertips that easily put the witness on the hot seat.

Single handedly positioning the NDP party to get a large deal with Trudie to keep him in the PM seat.

 

[Mowich]

Single handedly positioning the NDP party to get a large deal with Trudie to keep him in the PM seat.

Charlie is one of the few NDP MPs that I have respect for, TM. I really don't see how his continuing campaign to get to the bottom of the WE scandal - if indeed there is a 'bottom' with all the dirt that keeps turning up - is in anyway helping the NDP get a deal with Justdim.

 

[Twin_Moose]

Charlie is one of the few NDP MPs that I have respect for, TM. I really don't see how his continuing campaign to get to the bottom of the WE scandal - if indeed there is a 'bottom' with all the dirt that keeps turning up - is in anyway helping the NDP get a deal with Justdim.

If he was wearing Singh's hat I would agree with you.

 

[Twin_Moose]

Conservatives request ethics probe into Telford, senior adviser as PMO denies wrongdoing

The federal Conservatives have asked Canada's ethics watchdog to launch an investigation into allegations of improper lobbying related to the government's emergency wage subsidy program.

The probe concerns possible breaches of the Conflict of Interest Act involving Michael McNair, a then-informal adviser to Prime Minister Justin Trudeau; Katie Telford, Trudeau's chief of staff; and Telford's husband, Rob Silver.

Vice reported last month that Silver had contacted staff in the Prime Minister's Office and then-finance minister Bill Morneau's office to ask for changes to the Canada Emergency Wage Subsidy (CEWS). Those changes would make MCAP, the mortgage and insurance company for which Silver works, eligible for the program. Silver was ultimately not successful in changing the eligibility criteria.

"By indulging Mr. Silver's appeals, referring him back to Mr. Morneau's office, and directing Mr. Morneau's staff to speak to Mr. Silver, Mr. McNair, in our view, gave preferential treatment to Mr. Silver... based on his identity as both a friend and the spouse of his friend and immediate superior Ms. Telford," Conservative finance and ethics critics Pierre Poilievre and Michael Barrett wrote in a letter to ethics commissioner Mario Dion on Sunday.

McNair was formerly Trudeau's top policy advisor, but returned to an advising role in an unofficial capacity at the onset of the federal government's COVID-19 response.

The PMO confirmed to CBC News that McNair was not a paid employee of its office when the conversation was reported to have taken place and said he was working as a volunteer. McNair again became a paid employee of the PMO on June 15 as a special adviser to Trudeau. .........More

 

[Ron in Regina]

Charlie is one of the few NDP MPs that I have respect for, TM. I really don't see how his continuing campaign to get to the bottom of the WE scandal - if indeed there is a 'bottom' with all the dirt that keeps turning up - is in anyway helping the NDP get a deal with Justdim.

If he was wearing Singh's hat I would agree with you.

I am soooo try'n to picture this...
What color should Charlie wear?