Trudeau Mania Two is Starting to Fade

spilledthebeer

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Don’t forget the liberals are also the party of big business . Bombardier, SNC Lavilon , Irving Shipyard .






OH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Hold it now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Irving Shipyards have not yet been indicted in any scandal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And oh yes- I know Admiral Norman is accused of offering secret information to Irving.................................


but it has not yet been proved..........................................


and there is good reason to think that MOST of the information on offer involved LIE-beral plans to WASTE YEARS designing but never BUYING new ships from Irving yards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


We should ask if the main reason LIE-berals are pissed at Norman is because he warned Irving execs NOT to bother putting to much effort into new ship design since there would NEVER BE ANY PURCHASE???????????????????????



And the way LIE-berals are going.....................................


hiding documents and refusing to produce evidence.......................................


we can come to a couple of conclusions.........................................


firstly that the Norman witch hunt will end in a MISS-TRIAL with national security and parliamentary privilege- just like LAVALIN - as the excuse for the cover up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And secondly- that LIE-berals ACCIDENTALLY manufactured the situation to begin with as they RIPPED UP assorted Harper Conservative plans to build new destroyers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



As I have said before- LIE-berals want to DESTROY the Cdn military - so screwing around with existing plans and specifications and stalling till the cows come home are to their benefit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Its just too bad that Norman got in the way of LIE-beral desires!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

Twin_Moose

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Of course it was....hehehehehe

Of course you have a link that said it wasn't a money trap?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/aecl-sold-for-15m-to-snc-lavalin-1.985786

AECL has been a headache for successive federal governments and has cost Canadian taxpayers about $1.2 billion over the past several years in subsidies. It has also faced major cost overruns at key projects in recent years while struggling to find a buyer.

In New Brunswick, the Opposition Liberals said earlier this week that the possible sale of Atomic Energy of Canada could have major repercussions for the province as it grapples with cost overruns at its Point Lepreau nuclear power plant.
The provincial Tory government has been looking to Ottawa to cover roughly $1 billion in additional costs incurred during the Lepreau refurbishment, which is being overseen by AECL.
Ottawa said Wednesday it will retain responsibility for liabilities related both to Point Lepreau and the Bruce power station in Ontario, which is also being refurbished but is three years behind schedule and at least $2 billion over budget.
AECL has been struggling to modernize its technology to keep up with rivals Areva, Westinghouse, Hitachi and others.
The company lost $800 million last year, and has not sold a new reactor since the 1990s. However, some reports said AECL's business was hindered by a cap on new contracts that the government had ordered during the sale process, to avoid having the company burdened with new liabilities.

Amazing a fiscal conservative would be heckling the decision to drop a money pit for the taxpayer, whatever turns your crank I guess
 

spilledthebeer

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Hmmmm....wasn't it Harper who practically gave Candu to SNC-Lavalin?


Yes- it was Harper who disposed of Candu...............................


that Nuclear old folks home where aging engineers went to wait for God to call them home!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Candu was OBSOLETE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Candu engineers had been surpassed in skill and knowledge by nuclear experts in China, India, Pakistan, Britain. France, United States, Israel and Japan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


All these countries- and there may be others I have forgotten...................................


ALL HAVE more modern designs and more recent skill sets than Candu Clods!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And of course since so many other countries ALREADY HAD their own nuclear programs up and running.......................


WHO WAS LEFT for Candu to sell to??????????????????????????


North Korea would buy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Iran would probably buy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


But such sales would NOT BE in our best interests!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



It is no coincidence that the Ontari-owe Bruce Nuclear Power station is being run by a British Consortium- and that many key positons

are staffed by former sailors who learned their MODERN SKILL operating nuclear powered submarines!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Harper did us a FAVOUR by dumping Candu!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Just as Brian Mulroney DID US A FAVOUR............................................


by DUMPING the Petro Canada MONEY PIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Petro Canada was SO BADLY RUN by our vaunted civil service union HOGS that it NEVER MADE A PROFIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


In spite of the fact that Petro Canada got FREE ACCESS to Cdn oil fields...............................................


that private companies MAKING A PROFIT - had to PAY TO GET ACCESS TO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



If selling Candu and Petro Canada are somehow seen as "bad things".........................................


then the TRUTH IS we Cdns NEED MORE of such "bad" sell off of money losing govt CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


To bad pig headed LIE-berals REFUSE to learn from our own history!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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spilledthebeer

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https://m.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/11/10/candu-nuclear-reactors-china_n_6134096.html


That Harper sure was cozy with SNC-Lavalin and the Chinese. He probably taught Trudeau everything he knows


Gosh Cannuck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You sure are COZY with LIE-beral Fake News!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Candu was OBSOLETE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And there were NO MORE INTERNATIONAL CUSTOMERS AVAILABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


So NO NEED for Candu sales staff!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Oh sure- we could have sold CANDU reactors to North Korea and Iran and Iraq under Saddam!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


It would have made us some cash...........................................


and enabled the dictators to save a lot of time as they work towards nuclear armament!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


But nuclear arms proliferation IS NOT part of the Candu mandate is it?????????????????????



As for local CANDU activity within Canada...........................


the perpetual cost over runs of repairs and refurbishment of Cdn reactors...................................................


coupled with increasingly hostile public reaction to FREQUENT releases of Tritium coolant from Candu reactors....................................


meaning rates of Tritium emission THREE HUNDRED PERCENT HIGHER than what is allowed in Europe.......................................


persuaded Cdns that Candu staff should be put out to pasture!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Harper did the only sensible thing and DUMPED the obsolete money pit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And moved to protect our environment and our pocket books over the protests of civil service union HOGS!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

spilledthebeer

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why the **** do you insist ion quoting him?




POOR STUPID HOID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


With your little "delete that post you dont like trick so you wont have a wall of text" .......................................................


it means YOUR posts are now more disjointed and confused than previous!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


But that is the standard LIE-beral argument- limited logic, minimal frame of reference and a DISTINCT SHORTAGE OF FACTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

petros

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It's insane that people still listen to politicians like Doug Ford and Jason Kenney when they propose that cuts to corporate tax rates is going to help the economy. We've watched that proven wrong over and over again for most of our entire lives. Corporate tax cuts only ever work to benefit corporations, not you. Not once.
Canada's largest corporations are making 50% more profit than they did a decade ago, but their tax rates have been cut so much that they now pay 20% less in taxes than they did a decade ago.
Despite endless promises that tax cuts for business would create jobs, it turns out that the more you cut their taxes the fewer jobs they bother to create. In terms of job creation, corporations that benefitted the most from tax cuts didn't even keep up with the average growth of employment in the economy as a whole. They are dragging down employment growth rather than improving it.
https://www.policyalternatives.ca/publications/reports/corporate-income-taxes-profit-and-employment-performance-canadas-largest-compa
This holds true everywhere, not just in Canada.
https://nextcity.org/daily/entry/subsidizing-big-firms-doesnt-really-create-jobs-research-shows
When the government collects less income in taxes from corporations, two things happen. First, they cut spending, including on things that you value like health care. Secondly, they expect ordinary people to make up the shortfall. The year 2014 was the very first year in Canada's history that ordinary citizens fed more money into government tax coffers than all of the wealthy corporations added together do.
This continues a trend of shifting the tax burden away from wealthy corporations and ever more heavily onto the backs of citizens like you and I.
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/11/24/corporate-personal-taxes-canada_n_4333694.html
Corporate tax avoidance hurts national economies and continues to accelerate.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/corporate-tax-avoidance-scheme-hurting-canada-expert-says-1.2572712
"Canadian Corporate Income Tax rate reductions not only failed to lead to faster growth, there is evidence to suggest that CIT rate reductions contributed to *slower* growth. By reducing CIT rates, Canadian governments contributed to the increased income position of large firms. Instead of investing their enlarged earnings into growth-expanding industrial projects, Canada’s corporate sector—especially its largest firms—have increasingly stockpiled cash on their balance sheet. This “dead money,” as former Bank of Canada governor Mark Carney called it, is one ingredient in the heightened financial stagnation of recent times."
http://behindthenumbers.ca/2015/09/09/canadas-failed-experiment-with-corporate-income-tax-cuts/
Total hoarded corporate cash now exceeds the value of the national debt.
http://www.pressprogress.ca/en/post/corporate-canadas-cash-hoard-exceeds-national-debt
Let's free up that excess cash.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/in-a-world-awash-in-cash-capital-overwhelms-us-now/article17368619/
Corporations are designed by law to behave like clinical psychopaths.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=Y888wVY5hzw
What is there left to tax after shareholders are paid?
 

spilledthebeer

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What is there left to tax after shareholders are paid?




We could pay off the Cdn national debt in about 6 months..............................................


if only we could figure out a way..............................................


to charge LIE-berals a dollar..........................................


every time they LIED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Canadians are the most heavily taxed people in the western world!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals KNOW THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


but REFUSE TO ADMIT IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



NO other citizens pay the highest aggregate total of taxes that Cdns pay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And the REALLY FUNNY thing about listening to Toronto HOGS WHINE about Ford spending cuts is this............................


for 15 years- LIE-beral gave Toronto TEN TIMES MORE MONEY PER PERSON than they gave to other municipal govts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


TEN TIMES MORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And now that Ford is bringing some desperately needed common sense into the provincial funding transfer formula.........................


Toronto HOGS are SHRIEKING that people will DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Gosh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I did not know that GREED was a terminal disease!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And the really SAD THING is that we will have to go through the same tedious shrieking bullshit when the federal funding formula takes gravy away from Quebec!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!