I don't understand why take it so personally. If we don't sign it this year, then keep working on through e-mail exchanges until an agreement is reached and then sign it. In the mean time, seek opportunities elsewhere.
Trudeau BSs' Big Time On CETA. Says It Will Help The EU
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I don't understand why take it so personally. If we don't sign it this year, then keep working on through e-mail exchanges until an agreement is reached and then sign it. In the mean time, seek opportunities elsewhere.
Me neither... She needs to grow a back bone especially if she is our "Canadian International Trade Minister"...
I'll play devil's advocate and presume maybe the jet lag got to her and she was under the weather that day.
I think the Walloons objected to the trade deal because most Walloons are French protestants.
(Machjo ducks to avoid the fallout)
(Machjo ducks to avoid the fallout)
Yeah...the only growing by these liberals will be "from the heart outward". Maybe Potato needs to jet over there and start grabbing some arms and stomping his feet.
Oh, the drama.
Slap a 50% tariff on Bimmers, Mercedes and French wine. They'll call back, right away.
rrrriiiight, lol
greece, portugaul, and the duetschbunk, are significant holes with no money in em...
more victims to follow
the zionist /royalist bankers ( like strong, sorass, etc) in the city of London created brexit after trashing Europe.
like ww1 and ww2, only now modern and asymmetric warfare is used.
New weapons, like weaponized refugees, and financial instruments, and the MSM, are the choice weapons of the day
but no
its the peeps that are getting played
greece, portugaul, and the duetschbunk, are significant holes with no money in em...
more victims to follow
the zionist /royalist bankers ( like strong, sorass, etc) in the city of London created brexit after trashing Europe.
like ww1 and ww2, only now modern and asymmetric warfare is used.
New weapons, like weaponized refugees, and financial instruments, and the MSM, are the choice weapons of the day
they might be induced to even start making some here in Canada too if the cards were played right
but no
its the peeps that are getting played
Or start a trade war. The problem with brinkmanship is that it's a double-edged sword: you never know who'll blink first.
Yes we know that but I'm glad you figured it out..
CETA is a Canadian deal, with no direct USA participation.
Canada is not involved with the TTIP but the USA is.
The TPP involves both Canada and the USA. The Americans have framed TTIP and the TPP to their advantage which is where the technical comparison comes in.
From a European perspective, CETA and TTIP are one and the same.
TTIP and CETA are about the systematic coordination of laws between the United States, Canada and Europe through a new, transatlantic, political regime under massive influence of industry and global corporations.
https://stop-ttip.org/blog/six-lies-ttip-ceta/
Now I think you owe an apology to 10 year olds......
"This major setback for CETA is not just because of Wallonia alone," said Maude Barlow, national chairperson of the Council of Canadians. "There is deep, widespread opposition to CETA and many millions of people agree with Wallonia's stance."
"Thousands across Europe and Canada spoke up and took action to make this happen," added Barlow, who is currently in Germany campaigning against CETA. "This collapse of attempts to reach a deal on CETA shows governments should listen to people instead of trying to push these deals through against the wishes of the people they're elected to represent."
As Dearn further explained, "Since talks first started on CETA back in 2009, the deal has sat alongside TTIP [referring to the U.S.-E.U. agreement] as an example of how not to do a trade deal—absolute secrecy, zero input from public interest groups, and sheer contempt for the very valid concerns of people across Europe."
"Today we have seen the European Commission's chickens come home to roost," he continued. "If the Commission fails at yet another trade deal, the fault lies wholly with its anti-democratic approach."
Speaking from the negotiations in Belgium, Sujata Dey, trade campaigner with the Council of Canadians, agreed. "It's time to take a long hard look at CETA and what this breakdown means for corporate-led globalization, including for other controversial deals like the [12-nation TPP]."
"It's time for a fundamental shift toward international agreements that put people and the planet before corporate profits," she added. "That's the message from Europe today."
'Final Death Blow' to CETA as Delegates Hold Firm Against Pro-Corporate Deal | Common Dreams | Breaking News & Views for the Progressive Community
Tay, here's why I'm for free trade:
Under protectionism, the government decides what I buy and from whom, imposes quotas, and punishes me with tariffs if I don't cooperate.
Under free trade, the Personal Kingdom of Machjo (PKM) makes those decisions. It can impose tariffs on whom it sees fit and pays them to itself. Far better than protectionism, don't you think?
Under protectionism, the government decides what I buy and from whom, imposes quotas, and punishes me with tariffs if I don't cooperate.
Under free trade, the Personal Kingdom of Machjo (PKM) makes those decisions. It can impose tariffs on whom it sees fit and pays them to itself. Far better than protectionism, don't you think?
No. You can buy whatever you want. Tariffs are just a subsidy to penalize those who don't support their own country's well being. That is what the pre NAFTA model insured in the Auto Pact.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9inPBS98cs&feature=player_embedded
I tend to agree with you on the arbitration courts, though I am open to convincing on that.
But I totally disagree with you on the wages. Yes, the US paid lower wages than Canada, and Mexico than the US. So Caterpillar moved to the poorest country. That's actually a good thing on two fronts:
1. It benefits the poorest country the most. Without free trade, Mexico couldn't have benefitted from this redistribution of opportunties.
2. It pushes prices down. That benefits Canadian consumers.
What's there for a socialist not to like?
But this brings us to the question of throwing the baby out with the bathwater. I don't agree with all of NAFTA and CETA. For example, yes, they should be free to raise environmental, labour, and such standards at will. The agreement should merely limit itself to eliminating tariffs, quotas, and such, not imposing a right on corporations to prevent governments from raising standards. However, if that's the only way to get the deal through, a deal is still better than no deal overall.
Okay this is getting tiring. I think you are just being obstinate.
You point out where the Mexicans standard of living has benefitted.........
NAFTA's Biggest Winner? Mexico
Now it you believe in the redistribution of wealth, how can you morally opose free trade?
Maybe we could have argued that the free movement of labour should have complemented it so that people could go to the manufacturers as easily as the manufacturers could go to the workers. For example, had NAFTA accompanied the free movement of labout, Caterpillar workers could have been free to follow Caterpillar south had they wanted to. Instead, the corporatio was free to leave Canada to access another labour market. But the workers weren't free to follow the company south to access the job market.
I see that as problematic.
I think the problem is that many ultranationalists like to ask whether free trade will benefit their country rather than ask whether it will benefit all of the participating countries overall, a far more legitimate question if we include the welfare not only of Canadians but of our fellow man.
TTP as enboldened. No I. Nothing to do with the EU.Yes we know that but I'm glad you figured it out..
CETA is a Canadian deal, with no direct USA participation.
Canada is not involved with the TTIP but the USA is.
The TPP involves both Canada and the USA. The Americans have framed TTIP and the TPP to their advantage which is where the technical comparison comes in.
From a European perspective, CETA and TTIP are one and the same.
TTIP and CETA are about the systematic coordination of laws between the United States, Canada and Europe through a new, transatlantic, political regime under massive influence of industry and global corporations.
https://stop-ttip.org/blog/six-lies-ttip-ceta/
Now I think you owe an apology to 10 year olds......
"This major setback for CETA is not just because of Wallonia alone," said Maude Barlow, national chairperson of the Council of Canadians. "There is deep, widespread opposition to CETA and many millions of people agree with Wallonia's stance."
"Thousands across Europe and Canada spoke up and took action to make this happen," added Barlow, who is currently in Germany campaigning against CETA. "This collapse of attempts to reach a deal on CETA shows governments should listen to people instead of trying to push these deals through against the wishes of the people they're elected to represent."
As Dearn further explained, "Since talks first started on CETA back in 2009, the deal has sat alongside TTIP [referring to the U.S.-E.U. agreement] as an example of how not to do a trade deal—absolute secrecy, zero input from public interest groups, and sheer contempt for the very valid concerns of people across Europe."
"Today we have seen the European Commission's chickens come home to roost," he continued. "If the Commission fails at yet another trade deal, the fault lies wholly with its anti-democratic approach."
Speaking from the negotiations in Belgium, Sujata Dey, trade campaigner with the Council of Canadians, agreed. "It's time to take a long hard look at CETA and what this breakdown means for corporate-led globalization, including for other controversial deals like the [12-nation TPP]."
"It's time for a fundamental shift toward international agreements that put people and the planet before corporate profits," she added. "That's the message from Europe today."
'Final Death Blow' to CETA as Delegates Hold Firm Against Pro-Corporate Deal | Common Dreams | Breaking News & Views for the Progressive Community
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