Its a mess if you defend yourself and beat up or kill the attacker that is for sure. It's ok if you just take a beating or killing.
Trayvon Martin: civil rights leaders call for Florida police chief to resign
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Its a mess if you defend yourself and beat up or kill the attacker that is for sure. It's ok if you just take a beating or killing.
Yeah, that's the real problem indeed. Also, the police seem to have a frightening amount of discretion. To be honest, that is the thing that would scare me. Maybe the detective just doesn't like me or thinks I look shady. You might take my earlier posts to suggest that I believe that the courts could do a better job, and in a sense, I believe they could do a better job. But I honestly don't feel that dragging someone through the court is a good idea; it does at least make the facts public which at this point is useful.
I never said he was angelic. Who cares if he smoked some weed? Big whoop indeed. You know some people used to comment on how women who were raped dressed too, and some still do. It's a strawman, and it's a lame attempt at character assassination.
You don`t know that. But it fits the narrative some are trying to spin of the dead boy.
Maybe not, maybe he was. Completely irrelevant.
You know, I've never understood why people who call somethign trash would choose to hold themselves to that standard. You're obviously consuming the trash news on the flip side.
Being willing and posting as you say "what's fair is fair" is hardly better than being blind.
It's too bad there is only one side of the story to corroborate...
This reminds me a bit of a Southpark episode, in Season 1 episode 3, Uncle Jimbo explains to the boys how to get around hunting laws. "Watch out, it's coming right for us!" If your life is in danger, it's justified to kill. Pretty much the same thing, only Zimmerman's life was not in jeopardy when he made the call to 911, of which he had made nearly 50 calls in the past. He ignored the advice of the dispatcher and followed Martin. That is looking for a confrontation.
Or protecting property.
His perception is what matters. Especially in a State with no "Duty to retreat".
Yeah....but he sure didn't chase him!!!
Zimmerman: 28 years old, with asthma, 5'9" tall, 240 lbs
Martin: 17 years old, football player, 6'3" tall, 160 lbs.
And IF Martin was on top of Zimmerman pounding his head on the pavement, the shooting is (probably) justified.
Too many unknowns...but the more information that becomes availible, the more it appears Zimmerman is innocent.
Wondering if those that seem to be defending Zimmerman , are really defending ownership and usage of GUNS. ....
IF Zimmerman had been killed (situation reversed) do you not think that Martin would have been in jail now...???
As stated before: too bad Martin is not alive to present his side of the story. That is always "convenient" for the shooter , particularly when reliable witnesses are lacking.
Kinda comes down to how does the deceased victim defend himself ??? Zimmerman did NOT HAVE TO KILL HIM. IF he HAD to use a lethal weapon.......he could have just injured him.
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NONE of us were there. We are not eye witnesses to this incident. And even if we were.........we would all be presenting a variation of what we saw. as perceptions differ with the witness.
IF Zimmerman had been killed (situation reversed) do you not think that Martin would have been in jail now...???
As stated before: too bad Martin is not alive to present his side of the story. That is always "convenient" for the shooter , particularly when reliable witnesses are lacking.
Kinda comes down to how does the deceased victim defend himself ??? Zimmerman did NOT HAVE TO KILL HIM. IF he HAD to use a lethal weapon.......he could have just injured him.
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NONE of us were there. We are not eye witnesses to this incident. And even if we were.........we would all be presenting a variation of what we saw. as perceptions differ with the witness.
Martin was walking home, in a public place, which isn't unlawful. Also, the use of deadly force isn't valid when there is provocation. When Zimmerman chased down Martin, that was provocation. Zimmerman put himself in that situation. You can't provoke somebody into violence and then claim use of deadly force.
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Mother Seeks Trayvon Martin Trademarks
MARCH 26--The mother of Trayvon Martin has filed two applications to secure trademarks containing her late son’s name, records show.
Sabrina Fulton is seeking marks for the phrases “I Am Trayvon” and “Justice for Trayvon,” according to filings made last week with the United States Patent and Trademark Office. In both instances, Fulton is seeking the trademarks for use on “Digital materials, namely, CDs and DVDs featuring Trayvon Martin,” and other products.
The March 21 USPTO applications, each of which cost $325, were filed by an Orlando, Florida law firm representing Fulton.
Martin, 17, was shot to death last month during a confrontation with George Zimmerman, a 28-year-old neighborhood watch captain. Martin, pictured above, was visiting his father’s home in Sanford, Florida when he was shot to death by Zimmerman, who has claimed that he was acting in self-defense. (6 pages)
Mother Seeks Trayvon Martin Trademarks | The Smoking Gun
MARCH 26--The mother of Trayvon Martin has filed two applications to secure trademarks containing her late son’s name, records show.
Sabrina Fulton is seeking marks for the phrases “I Am Trayvon” and “Justice for Trayvon,” according to filings made last week with the United States Patent and Trademark Office. In both instances, Fulton is seeking the trademarks for use on “Digital materials, namely, CDs and DVDs featuring Trayvon Martin,” and other products.
The March 21 USPTO applications, each of which cost $325, were filed by an Orlando, Florida law firm representing Fulton.
Martin, 17, was shot to death last month during a confrontation with George Zimmerman, a 28-year-old neighborhood watch captain. Martin, pictured above, was visiting his father’s home in Sanford, Florida when he was shot to death by Zimmerman, who has claimed that he was acting in self-defense. (6 pages)
Mother Seeks Trayvon Martin Trademarks | The Smoking Gun
Says who? The stand your ground law applies to Martin too. If Martin sees a gun drawn, then pounding Zimmerman's head would be justified if Martin fears he is going to be shot.
Sure, but two can play at that game:
Zimmerman: avoided a conviction through plea bargaining, accused of domestic violence, has a restraining order filed against him, out looking for trouble (so desperate to find trouble, that he calls the police when he sees open garage doors)
Martin: young student athlete, out for a short walk to buy some skittles and iced tea, on his way back to his father's girlfriend's residence.
There is more than enough vague evidence perpetuated by the media to make either side of the story seem plausible. Luckily a grand jury will at least shed some light on all of this.
Absolutely!
So who attacked who????
There is no law against asking someone what they are doing.
That hasn't been proven.
Not necessarily.
If Zimmerman was the aggressor. If.
Ya, I've read 776.
Let me ask again.........Why KILL Martin. IF lethal force was nec , why not just injure him. There are many parts of the body that could have been targetted and still leave Martin alive. Something STINKS......regardless of how much the gun defenders want to give Zimmerman a break . Who is giving Martin the break. ??
Well, it doesn't take much more proof than: a) he was watching a basketball (edit: I make a terrible witness) game which was on a break, b) he had bought skittles and iced tea at the 7 eleven and was found half way between there and the house he would return to, c) his father's girlfriend states that he had declared his intention to return.
Actually, even if Zimmerman was the aggressor, it doesn't necessarily rule out the applicability of self defense. I might start a fist fight, but when my to-be victim pulls out a knife, and I pull out mine, that isn't such excessive force at that point.
Contrast section 34 vs section 37 of the criminal code and look up the cases in canlii where both appear. In Canada, at least...
From CanLII - 2007 BCCA 104 (CanLII).
I will note in passing that it would be fairly straightforward to convince a Canadian jury that bringing a gun to a fist fight is the definition of excessive.
