Trans Mountain ‘pipeline is going to get built’: Trudeau dismisses B.C.’s bitumen ban

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It's not the outcome that is so crucial. It is the process itsself, for our ability to "toss the bums out" is precious, rare and is not the default type of governance that humans impose on each other. Hopefully, it is not fleeting but one has to wonder.
 

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7. Castillo de Bellver
The Spanish tanker Castillo de Bellver was en route to Spain from the Persian Gulf when the tanker caught fire around 70 miles northwest of South Africa’s Capetown.

The tanker was carrying 250,000 tonnes (around 79 million gallons) of light crude oil at the time of the accident in August 1983. The burning vessel was abandoned later only to break in half eventually. Following this, the stern of the vessel sank with 110,000 ton of oil inside its tanks.

According to environmentalists, though the impact of this oil spill on the fish stock was less, the incident affected thousands of gannets gathered on a nearby island for their breeding season.
 

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8. Amoco Cadiz
On March 16, 1978, an oil tanker named Amoco Cadiz ran aground and started a major oil spill off the coast of Brittany, France. The very large crude carrier (VLCC) was run aground after the failure of its steering due to a storm.

The vessel later broke in half and sunk, letting its cargo of 246,000 tons of light crude oil spill into the waters of the English Channel.

The oil spill cleaning was a massive and rather futile effort. The slick spread quickly, covering an area of 18 miles with 80 miles in length. As 76 beaches suffered oil spill effects, it killed more marine life than any other oil spills recorded till then.
 

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9. MT Haven

A very large crude carrier, MT Haven, carrying about 144,000 tons of crude oil, exploded off the coast of Genoa, Italy in 1991. The tanker was unloading its 230,000 tonnes of cargo to the Multedo floating platform at the time of the accident.

The explosion occurred when MT Haven was detached to allow the oil to be pumped into a central hold of the vessel from two side-holds after the transfer of 80,000 tonnes.

Immediately after the explosion, the vessel sunk, killing six people on board. In addition, 45 million gallons of oil was discharged into the Mediterranean waters and the impact of the oil spill was also seen for as many as 12 years that followed.
 

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10. Odyssey Oil Spill
Odyssey, the Liberian tanker loaded with around 43 million gallons of North Sea crude oil in its cargo, broke in half and sunk off the coast of Canada in November 1988.

According to reports, the ship sunk 700 miles off the coast of Nova Scotia after an explosion on board. The vessels ‘cargo caught fire as it sank, dumping 43 million gallons oil into the Atlantic Ocean.

The oil spill was covered an area of 4.8 km x 16 km, while the amount of oil reached shore was minimal. Moreover, all the 27 crew members on board the Odyssey are presumed to have died in the incident.
 

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11. Exxon Valdez Oil Spill
In terms of the volume of oil discharged, Exxon Valdez Oil Spill is the second largest in US waters after the Deepwater Horizon oil spill.

The accident occurred when the oil tanker Exxon Valdez ran aground on Prince William Sound’s Bligh Reef in Alaska in March 1989. Out of the total capacity of 58 million gallons, 10.9 million gallons were moved into Alaskan Coastline after the accident.
 

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they can't even clean that up but they can clean up a major bitumen spill?

even someone with your limited intellect must be able to see the problem there.


NO- it's more like someone with your limited intellect CAN'T see the problem there.
 

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If Tesla built an electric self piloted tanker and tested it live Hoid would say it is the best in he world.

If the Exxon Valdez had today's grades of steel welded and xrayed to perfection double hull, GPS, sonar and radar would have it grounded out in Prince William Sound?

Would it have leaked if it did?
 
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What vehicles do you know of that run on hemp? Who produces all this hemp?
Definitely not Canada, we have about 20 years where we could have created a whole industry. That we haven't shows the people running Canada have other things on their mind other than the welfare of Canada and Canadians.
 

petros

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I think you are writing that backwards Oil generates 100's of Billions in tax revenue Locally and Federally for Canada, Hemp not so much, actually not really worth planting right now.
Would you want to be anywhere near a herd of cattle that ate nothing but hemp seed?
 

petros

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Definitely not Canada, we have about 20 years where we could have created a whole industry. That we haven't shows the people running Canada have other things on their mind other than the welfare of Canada and Canadians.
In Canada 10% (less in winter) of diesel is biofuel made from canola because canola produces more t per hectare than hemp.
 

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Have you heard anything about the new CBD crushing plant being drawn up for Norquay? Suppose to be 11,000 acres planted in the area this year baled and shipped to the Regina-Moose Jaw plant as a test this year
 

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they can't even clean that up but they can clean up a major bitumen spill?
even someone with your limited intellect must be able to see the problem there.
Jeezus you are stupid. They being the government so are above the laws mere mortals must obey. Diesel, being light will evaporate when released in small amounts and most of the heavy oils are in sealed tanks so will be quite a long time before they release. You need to be more concerned about all the cruise ships dumpint their garbage in the ocean. There is no excuse for that.
 

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I keep hearing how farmers are subsidized. Are we? Is oil? Come on Flosshole. Are we subsidized?
Does hemp grow it's self on the wopping 47 sections growing in Canada?
About as much as the oil industry. The clueless among us still don't understand the difference between a tax credit that oil companies get and a grant that electric car buyers get.
 

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If Tesla built an electric self piloted tanker and tested it live Hoid would say it is the best in he world.
If the Exxon Valdez had today's grades of steel welded and xrayed to perfection double hull, GPS, sonar and radar would have it grounded out in Prince William Sound?
Would it have leaked if it did?
Probably would have grounded since the problem was a drunk at the helm which the best instriments in the world can't really compensate for. Perhaps run on auto pilot would have prevented the drunk problem unless he did like the Queen of the North crew and turn it off. Double hulled most likely would not have leaked or not as much anyway.
 

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If Tesla built an electric self piloted tanker and tested it live Hoid would say it is the best in he world.

If the Exxon Valdez had today's grades of steel welded and xrayed to perfection double hull, GPS, sonar and radar would have it grounded out in Prince William Sound?

Would it have leaked if it did?


Hoid is an "armchair expert"! I'm not sure he's been outside yet!