Trans Mountain ‘pipeline is going to get built’: Trudeau dismisses B.C.’s bitumen ban

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B.C. and First Nations oppose it, Alberta wants it badly – and after an ultimatum from a U.S. oil giant, Ottawa has bought it to build it themselves. The Trans Mountain pipeline expansion would bring billions in new revenue, but it would also mean an increase in coast-to-port tanker traffic, and with that, a risk of more oil spills. We follow a tanker as it threads the needle from Burnaby to the open ocean.


More: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/new...ns-mountain-pipeline-bc-coast/article35043172


Scary shit. Too many variables, too much risk.


A MINORITY of BC citizens oppose the twinning, Cliffy and only some FNs (notably those with nothing to gain) oppose it. Facts count.
 

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Great meme, Cliffy. Cathy and the little potato are totally full of shit.
 

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B.C. and First Nations oppose it, Alberta wants it badly – and after an ultimatum from a U.S. oil giant, Ottawa has bought it to build it themselves. The Trans Mountain pipeline expansion would bring billions in new revenue, but it would also mean an increase in coast-to-port tanker traffic, and with that, a risk of more oil spills. We follow a tanker as it threads the needle from Burnaby to the open ocean.


More: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/new...ns-mountain-pipeline-bc-coast/article35043172


Scary shit. Too many variables, too much risk.
I'm pretty sure the 'Port Authority' could take remote control of all commercial ships in it's 'area' start about 12 miles off-shore and have it run flawlessly.

That is a lot of money for the Vancouver area and it does nothing as far as getting imports into the interior any faster or at any higher volume let alone a reduced shipping cost. Move the line north (or not) or build a new 8 lane highway with rail support in the north so it domes out at Dawson and Peace River becomes the 'Winnipeg' for the goods (from China) going north. They have lots of money, once their living conditions are brought above 4th world conditions.
The end of the inlet just above Prince Rupert would be the gateway to the north. Considering the swamp that gets crossed compared to drilling through mountain ranges it would be a lot cheaper and flat land can be made productive if you have a road already in place. The access would make the lake at the headwaters of the Peace River prone recreational land so wild and expensive


Figures the 'best route' is under the 'black box'. Flat, from the lake to the coast.

The pipeline would use the lake and the canyon at the 'T' while a road would be just south so the flat land could be accesses by 'settlers', maybe a Blueberry greenhouse as the swamp could be tapped for the heat in the water
 
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Great meme, Cliffy. Cathy and the little potato are totally full of shit.
Take a guess how much 'natural oil' is blended in before you can get the 'tar' to flow through any line. Just take a wild fuking guess for the hell of it.

'Tarsand' should be sold 'as is' so all Ft Muckmurry would need is 8 heavy rail lines with minimal environmental concerns as the 'cargo' needs to be heated to 160F to get it come out of the container as 'one lump'. Ship to end of the line and 'the slippery parts' can be taken out and mixed with conventional oil but now able to run parts with very close tolerance for long periods of time thanks to the carbon type that is found in 'half baked coal'. The sand has many commercial uses as long as it is sand and not 'slime'. The 'slime' at Ft Mac should be mixed 100/1 with road gravel and used in a base that will be under a runway or major highway. Nobody will get paid for the extra work so it is dumped in the swamp when nobody is watching, like always. Texaco in the Amazon changed their name rather than the way they do business. Monsanto did the same just recently, it is a pattern rather than anything accidental.
 

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Where could I possibly find evidence of oil spills ?
Whereever foreign oil is imported into eastern Canada.
Does anyone besides me think it a bit odd that trudOWE is opposed to Canadian oil being exported from west coast ports but encourages foreign oil to be dumped on the east coast?
 

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Whereever foreign oil is imported into eastern Canada.
Does anyone besides me think it a bit odd that trudOWE is opposed to Canadian oil being exported from west coast ports but encourages foreign oil to be dumped on the east coast?


I've always puzzled how his brain works, but now I'm puzzled if he has a brain!
 

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You know it occurs to me Galveston would be a good place to start looking.

Similar port to Vancouver in that it also cannot handle large modern day tankers.

But I'll bet you that massive oil spills hardly ever occur there.
 

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Wait "til a train load of crude goes up in the center of a BC town and how pipelines will suddenly make a whole lot more sense, over night.
 

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And here's the 11 worst maritime oil spills

https://www.marineinsight.com/environment/11-major-oil-spills-of-the-maritime-world/

hardly even most of them are tanker related!


So Canada has never has a major oil spill at sea! So the two quarts dumped in Burrard Inlet was a little over played at the time. I think a lot of us were under the impression it was second to the Exxon Valdes and from what I can gather that happened because the skipper was drunk. Two assholes did manage to sink a ferry though, which is certainly bad enough. I wonder if there is still oil and gasoline escaping from the vehicles aboard.
 

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So Canada has never has a major oil spill at sea! So the two quarts dumped in Burrard Inlet was a little over played at the time. I think a lot of us were under the impression it was second to the Exxon Valdes and from what I can gather that happened because the skipper was drunk. Two assholes did manage to sink a ferry though, which is certainly bad enough. I wonder if there is still oil and gasoline escaping from the vehicles aboard.

Chedabucto Bay, 1970
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/ss-arrow-chedabucto-bay-oil-1.3290114
 

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when you can deny climate change denying that shipping oil is dangerous is a piece of cake.
 

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Big deal. Did you bitch about a 100 fold increase in cruise ship traffic along whale migration routes?

Remind me again of the death toll and response time when the ferry from Prince Rupert to Port Hardy sank.

What measure are there in place if a cruise ship with 2500 souls on board goes down in the inside passage?