Trans Mountain ‘pipeline is going to get built’: Trudeau dismisses B.C.’s bitumen ban

Curious Cdn

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Beats the living shyte out of explosive trains clickey-clacking through our cities and towns just waiting for the next disaster to happen.
 

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Last Friday I drove past the Line 3 construction which fills tankers on Lake Superior. Nary a protestor to be seen.

I did see a local Indian Chief on the tube last night cheering it on and the jobs it created.

BTW Keystone XL is down to negotiating with the last two land owners on the route.
 

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I drove past the Line 3 construction which fills tankers on Lake Superior. Nary a protestor to be seen.

We don't have to guess at his dangerous it is. We have lots of proof, now. If pipelines start incinerating the centers of towns and their inhabitants, I will gladly join the protests but with what we know, pipelines are by far the preferred method of moving the stuff around.

Maybe, what is required is a more advanced pipeline technology with a double shell of some sort like the double hulls that have evolved for modern ships ... some sort of built-in cachment system ... maybe a vacuum space between an inner and outer pipe. It would help to sell the pipelines, anyway.
 
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Interesting snippet on petroleum sourcing on the other coast. This is a close cousin of the difficulties on the west coast and the needs of both outline our requirement of an intelligent national strategy to supply ourselves with petroleum and to export it to more lucrative places than our southern neighbour.

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Interesting snippet on petroleum sourcing on the other coast. This is a close cousin of the difficulties on the west coast and the needs of both outline our requirement of an intelligent national strategy to supply ourselves with petroleum and to export it to more lucrative places than our southern neighbour.

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Very informative. Thank you, CC.
 

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Interesting snippet on petroleum sourcing on the other coast. This is a close cousin of the difficulties on the west coast and the needs of both outline our requirement of an intelligent national strategy to supply ourselves with petroleum and to export it to more lucrative places than our southern neighbour.

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Certainly shows how little connection there is between east and West. All our trade seems to run south . We really need to fix that. Of course when it s against the law to take a case of beer from 1 province to another there is probably no hope.
 

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Certainly shows how little connection there is between east and West. All our trade seems to run south . We really need to fix that. Of course when it s against the law to take a case of beer from 1 province to another there is probably no hope.


LIE-beral green energy policy will never be acceptable to ordinary Cdns since LIE-berals spend so much more time thinking of how to wring more gravy out of it than considering ways to make their mouldy green energy USEFUL in some fashion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Here is an article illustrating why Toronto city council needs so desperately to be trimmed! With some comments of my own in brackets):

Coun. Mike Layton pushing study on use of cargo bikes instead of city trucks

By Michael Smee. June 27. 2018

Curbside Cycle manager Eric Kamphof demonstrates a cargo bike Tuesday. Coun. Mike Layton, who represents Ward 19, Trinity-Spadina, wants the city to look into adding some to its maintenance fleet.

One of council's most enthusiastic cyclists wants staff to look into replacing at least some of the city's maintenance fleet with cargo bikes.

(The guy has to be kidding us right? Use bikes to deliver loads of lumber or bags of concrete to city construction sites? Did we not get enough exposure to how costly everything is at Silly Hall last year when the senior citizen built those stairs in the park for five hundred dollars- and a SHAMED city hall re-did the job for about fifty grand- and that was AFTER thery fudged all the numbers so the original $85 grand estimate would be hidden? And can you imagine how long it would take to get potholes fixed if the trucks were taken away and the guys had to PEDAL to the sites with their tools and asphalt patch?)

Coun. Mike Layton's has put forward a motion that calls on staff to look into the feasibility of adding the bikes to the city's fleet of vehicles, and report back early next year.

(Or maybe the airhead has ideas about using bikes to shuffle papers and library books around down town? And how heavy would a load of books or legal papers be after piling them into a waterproof box? It is raining outside right now and it started suddenly in early afternoon- picture somebody filling out legal papers for property taxes that get caught in the rain while being bicycled to a storage facility! I have a neighbour who filled out a 2 page city form so property taxes would be deducted monthly from his bank account and it took 3 weeks for the city to LOSE half the form- and then blame neighbour for trying to cheat on his taxes! City Hogs lose enough stuff without taking it out in the rain on a bicycle!)

"I think this is a neat idea that we should explore at the city," he said Tuesday. "This can ensure that we get the work done in a way that also contributes to fighting climate change."

He said he envisions maintenance staff using the sturdy vehicles to service the city's parks.

(Uh huh- and maybe our bicycle brain will consider what rate of pay a bicycle courier gets since it is such a SLOW and limited way to haul anything heavy? Would our civil service Hogs give up their prime pay rate in order to tool around the city on a bike for the benefit of the exercise? NOT LIKELY!!!! Putting our Hogs on bikes is just another way to make sure Hogs work SLOWLY!)

"Clear garbage out, perhaps watering plants or doing some of the horticultural work — this is something we could be doing with much smaller vehicles that are much better for the environment and that have less wear and tear on the sod, on the gravel pathways."

(Uh huh- and when they get to the park on their bicycles and find several of the park bins heavily loaded with trash that wont fit in the bike bins then out comes the truck anyway!)

Coun. Mike Layton says the initiative, if it's accepted, could help keep city parks and planters neater.

(No- switching park maintenance away from over privileged union Hogs over to the private sector that employs people who NEED the job and thus have a real work ethic is what will keep parks neater! Along with the occasional cop patrol to catch garbage dumpers!)

(Parks staff are so arrogant they got into a spat with some senior citizens over flowers some years back! The govt decided they could not afford to plant flowers in a certain park any more- so local seniors looking for something to do out in the sunshine- did the job for them- planted a nice basic selection of flowers in the disused beds! And city staff ripped up the flowers! Old farts are NOT ALLOWED to mess with Hog parks! So the seniors explained their position again- that there will be no cost or obligation from the city- and certainly no risk from flowers to the public - the seniors will plant and water and weed as needed! NO GO! Plants ripped out yet again! So a city councillor and union Hog rep got involved and parks staff were told to shut up and back off- seniors replanted for the third time and Hogs wisely ignored their work!)

He also sees them as useful in delivering small freight from one city office to another.

(Oh YES! Lets FIRE all the Hogs driving city trucks and hire bicycle couriers to deliver that small stuff! If it works for the law firm trying to sue people and shipping their papers between offices then surely it is good enough for Silly Hall? But we KNOW the wage issue will cause vicious trouble for Hogs!)

And rather than importing, Layton wants staff to consider using locally sold cargo bikes.

One Toronto company that sells cargo bikes to retailers North America-wide is Curbside Cycle, on Bloor Street near Spadina Avenue. They can carry about 160 kg each, says Eric Kamphof.

Manager Eric Kamphof described the vehicles as "basically a bike with trunk space" and a load capacity of about 160 kg.

(Isnt that nice- and can you hear the union screaming if their members are made to go out on bicycles in rain or cold or snow?)

And he said there's lots of justification for adding them to the city fleet.

"The only constraint is the box size, so this can handle most goods. If you're delivering a refrigerator maybe you want to use a van, but yeah, this could handle a great deal of small cargo loads throughout the city," Kamphof said.

(I suggest Kamphof is blinded by the prospect of govt gravy and does not know or care what the city will haul in his machines!)

"This can go in a bike lane or cut through parked cars. It's going to save a lot of time," he said. "It's also going to save a heck of a lot of lot of money — there are no insurance costs. The price of these units is $3,000 and up, as opposed to a car."

(No- no auto insurance costs but big cost in workers comp if some over the hill Hog has a heart attack while riding a city bike in summer heat? And considering how many cyclists and pedestrians are getting hit on our roads maybe the workers comp costs would be HUGE if a few get run over?)

Electrically assisted cargo bikes can cost up to $10,000, he said. Even so, he said interest from both businesses and families looking for an easy way to transport kids has peaked this year.

(OH LORD! Save me from electrically powered LIE-beral TOYS! If I was 80 years old and not able to drive a real vehicle and had a choice between a taxi or an electric toy I would opt for the relative freedom of the electric toy as its better than nothing- but not by much! )

His company has been importing cargo bikes from Denmark and the Netherlands for about 12 years, and selling them to retailers across North America.

(I have no doubt that cargo bikes are useful in some very crowded old European cities with their streets that were often laid out in medieval times- meaning they are narrow, winding and- in the case of Holland and Denmark- the streets are notably FLAT- no hills- Toronto streets are NOT like that!)

Layton says in his motion that the city could also look into cargo bikes that have solar-powered motors.

"These new vehicles take up less space on the road, cause less congestion, have zero emissions, are able to travel where larger vehicles cannot, and are an educational tool that draws attention to the need to transition to low carbon solutions," the motions states.

(Solar powered bikes now? And just how much BIGGER are they than a regular bike? And can they travel where regular vehicles cannot- with a solar array strapped to them? Is Layton planning to run the things off road some place? The only things that need to drive into the park as a general rule are called lawn mowers! As for solar bikes being an educational tool- well yes- but they will be mostly educating us about the TOOLS running our govt into the ground!)

It goes to the government management committee on Monday, with a staff report expected early next year.

(Gee......maybe some civil service Hogs DO-ALMOST- earn their pay? After all they have to deal politely with loons like Layton regardless of their personal opinions?)
 

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So how's that expansion coming along?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/tasker-trans-mountain-federal-court-appeals-1.4804495

Federal Court of Appeal quashes the approvals that were putting the project through.


Now we need an investigation into how those phony approvals were arranged.

Your sneering contempt for the economy in this country is duly noted. Only a complete moron such as yourself would be giddy with the prospect of a damaged and dysfunctional economy. You're a fool.
 

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I am right and have been right about this expansion from the start: not going to happen.
 

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There is no magic bullet that is going to get this project approved.

It must be approved on its own merit.
 

petros

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Expropriation for a public utility in Canada is like taking candy from a baby.

Are the babies going to cry? Probably but PM Prom Queen did warn them.
 

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There is no magic bullet that is going to get this project approved.

It must be approved on its own merit.

It has already been approved. Expect the latest decision to be overturned shortly.
I fully expect it to be built with or without any more aprovals. People have had enough of delays.