Trans Mountain ‘pipeline is going to get built’: Trudeau dismisses B.C.’s bitumen ban

Bar Sinister

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Well that seems like we have the same goal . Take climate change and carbon taxes out of the equation and we might get somewhere .


You can't take a worldwide phenomenon out of the picture and I have no problem with carbon taxes. We've been paying them for about a hundred years. And my post stated no goal. It was just a comment on the future use of oil. Despite the fact that I believe oil to be a dirty fuel I do realize that currently the world runs on it and that attempting to get rid of it immediately is quite impossible. However, that does not mean that I don't favour the development of cleaner technology.
 

taxslave

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You can't take a worldwide phenomenon out of the picture and I have no problem with carbon taxes. We've been paying them for about a hundred years. And my post stated no goal. It was just a comment on the future use of oil. Despite the fact that I believe oil to be a dirty fuel I do realize that currently the world runs on it and that attempting to get rid of it immediately is quite impossible. However, that does not mean that I don't favour the development of cleaner technology.

Carbon taxes are not a world wide scam.
 

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You can't take a worldwide phenomenon out of the picture and I have no problem with carbon taxes. We've been paying them for about a hundred years. And my post stated no goal. It was just a comment on the future use of oil. Despite the fact that I believe oil to be a dirty fuel I do realize that currently the world runs on it and that attempting to get rid of it immediately is quite impossible. However, that does not mean that I don't favour the development of cleaner technology.
Yet carbon taxes go directly into general revenue and hence is really just another way to fleece the working public .
 

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Yet carbon taxes go directly into general revenue and hence is really just another way to fleece the working public .

Outside of the money that will come out of the pot to send to some third world country to buy farcicle clean carbon credits (wealth redistribution)
 

Bar Sinister

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Carbon taxes are not a world wide scam.


Please point out where in my post that I said that they were.

Yet carbon taxes go directly into general revenue and hence is really just another way to fleece the working public .


It is six on one and a have dozen of the other. We are going to have taxes in any case. We just have to decide what form they would take. Governments are very good at finding new sources of revenue whether it is in the form of new taxes or user fees.
 

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Please point out where in my post that I said that they were.




It is six on one and a have dozen of the other. We are going to have taxes in any case. We just have to decide what form they would take. Governments are very good at finding new sources of revenue whether it is in the form of new taxes or user fees.

Or they could just quit wasting money on needless social programs and high wages to party hacks.
 

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Please point out where in my post that I said that they were.




It is six on one and a have dozen of the other. We are going to have taxes in any case. We just have to decide what form they would take. Governments are very good at finding new sources of revenue whether it is in the form of new taxes or user fees.
And when is enough , enough ? We are already seeing investment fleeing the country , the federal government , most provincial governments and most municipal governments are already overworked and understaffed,creating an inefficient and costly business environment . However without the taxes and fees businesses provide the bureaucracy is redundant.
 

Nick Danger

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I'm of the mind that the days of burning fossil fuels are numbered, the pollution aspects can't be ignored. But the transition period is best measured in decades, and it's going to be expensive for everybody involved, business and individuals alike. The best way to deal with that is with a healthy economy, and at present our best route to that economy is through exploitation of our oil resources. A conundrum to be sure, but our best path away from oil is to make the best money we can off it in the here and now. That means getting our oil to tidewater so we have an alternative to US markets and the discounted prices there.
 

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I'm of the mind that the days of burning fossil fuels are numbered, the pollution aspects can't be ignored. But the transition period is best measured in decades, and it's going to be expensive for everybody involved, business and individuals alike. The best way to deal with that is with a healthy economy, and at present our best route to that economy is through exploitation of our oil resources. A conundrum to be sure, but our best path away from oil is to make the best money we can off it in the here and now. That means getting our oil to tidewater so we have an alternative to US markets and the discounted prices there.
Makes sense to me .
 

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I agree the change is going to be measured in decades. It has been going on since the 1960s already,