Toronto Terrorists - expected result of invasion

[Jersay]

You heard of the Russian mob. Its the Arab mob.

Like I said slim, but it raises the possibility.

 

[fuflans]

Now I was reading somewhere that it might be criminal what they were doing and not terroristic in nature.

So until the whole story is proven could they be in the Marijuna stuff. You know, some of those guys have heavy weaponry and such. Probably not but maybe a possibility.

You could be right, but if it was 'only' criminal in nature, then why were they arrested on anti-terrorism charges?

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/news/n_0608_e.htm

Here's section 83 of the Criminal Code of Canada if anyone would like to read it:

http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/c-46/267115.html

 

[Jersay]

Still a possiblity.

 

[fuflans]

I guess the people who arrested and charged them wouldn't agree with you, but who knows. That's why you're innocent until proven guilty.

 

[Jersay]

Agreed.

 

[dekhqonbacha]

soon enough term terrorism will "criminal"

 

[mabudon]

RE: Toronto Terrorists -

Yes, that's the thing, "Anit terror" laws are used in some pretty non-protectin the homeland kind of ways- I cxan't recall right now but I remember a very recent story where someone did something stupid (sorry for the unintelligibility) and was charged under these "new" laws, but I can't recall what it was- was just ssome average Canadian fellow, born and raised here and the thing he was accused of doing was dumb but hardly and act of "terrorism"

Anyone recall this???

And it's odd that we must take a "wait and see" attitude with the recent atrocities in Iraq but since we caught these folks we MUST fly over there and bomb the crap outta their country (or at least a country with lots of folks named "ali"... maybe morrocco, it's nice there this time of year) without even knowing any actual details beyond the ominous-sounding but totally non-descript ones

 

[fuflans]

Re: RE: Toronto Terrorists -

Yes, that's the thing, "Anit terror" laws are used in some pretty non-protectin the homeland kind of ways- I cxan't recall right now but I remember a very recent story where someone did something stupid (sorry for the unintelligibility) and was charged under these "new" laws, but I can't recall what it was- was just ssome average Canadian fellow, born and raised here and the thing he was accused of doing was dumb but hardly and act of "terrorism"

Section 83 of the Criminal Code provides definitions for ambiguous terms such as 'terrorist' and all activities that are considered 'terrorist-ic' (for lack of a real word ) under the law so it is difficult to believe that the laws are being abused like you described them. Maybe the guy that you described was charged under a different section of the Criminal Code or maybe the police simply made an error (or the people reporting the story did - that wouldn't come as a huge surprise).

Anyway, like I've already said, these people are innocent until proven guilty. Who knows, it might turn out that they just had a really, really big field that they needed to fertilize :roll:. Keep in mind that we'll (i.e the public) never know all of the details of what actually happened so if there are any convictions, it may not seem like any 'guilt' has been proven.

 

[vulpine]

everyone post in this topic is just an example of either liberal or conservative biased sensentialism, if you dont provide level headed discussion then you're not doing anything productive

 

[dekhqonbacha]

everyone post in this topic is just an example of either liberal or conservative biased sensentialism, if you dont provide level headed discussion then you're not doing anything productive

OOOOOOOOOOOOOO, really :?:
then you "provide level headed discussion" to be more "productive."

 

[MMMike]

These terrorists,

(what else do you call people who accumulate tons of ammonia nitrate) were not naughty school boys. According to police they had targets picked out that could have killed hundreds, maybe thousands of people. What I don't understand is that these people, for the most part, came from successful families. Families that found a good life in Canada. Are the Mullas the problem? Are the Mullas fanning the flames that drive people to these extremes? If they are, throw them out of the country.

Here is a hint:

Defence lawyer Rocco Galati, who was representing some of the suspects, protested the intense security measures at the court. He asked that security be diminished when the accused next make their next court appearance on Tuesday.

Outside the courtroom, Mr. Galati a veteran of terrorism cases, scoffed at the allegations.

"I've seen fertilizer for the last eight years," he said, commenting on the strength of previous cases by the government that he has fought against.

In court, Mr. Galati was accompanied by Aly Hindy, a Toronto imam and friend of the highly-controversial Khadr family, who have well-established connections to al-Qaeda.

Mr. Hindy, a controverisial Iman, leads an Islamic centre in Scarborough, said he knew several of the accused because they prayed at his mosque but said they were not terrorists.

"He said the charges are to keep George Bush happy, that's all."

Read the rest here

This so-called "Islamic centre" should be immediately closed and razed to the ground, while Mr. Hindy should be shipped back to whatever shitbag country he comes from.

 

[dekhqonbacha]

...
This so-called "Islamic centre" should be immediately closed and razed to the ground, while Mr. Hindy should be shipped back to whatever shitbag country he comes from.

Why?
Will you feel safe after that?

 

[#juan]

In court, Mr. Galati was accompanied by Aly Hindy, a Toronto imam and friend of the highly-controversial Khadr family, who have well-established connections to al-Qaeda.

Doesn't that make you feel good? A family has well-established connections to al-qaeda and they are still here. Democracy does make whips to beat itself with doesn't it.

 

[MMMike]

...
This so-called "Islamic centre" should be immediately closed and razed to the ground, while Mr. Hindy should be shipped back to whatever shitbag country he comes from.

Why?
Will you feel safe after that?

It will make me feel all warm and fuzzy inside, yes.

 

[#juan]

Me too.

 

[darkbeaver]

RE: Toronto Terrorists -

The terrorist thing IMO represents these particular times we live in, we won't know to much about the motivations of these people untill we know what the targets were, if any. The targets and the motivation will be heavily covered in the corporate press following the right wing neo-con pattern of the US. The accused will be vilified thier community will be vilified thier religion will be vilified all before they ever get to court. The timing of the arrests is interesting coming so close on the heels of the warning from CSIS last week. So rather than having been saved from terrorist attack the public is really to undergo a neo-con campaign to galvinize support against the evildoers abroad, I think the Iran solution is close at hand.

 

[dekhqonbacha]

MMMike, #juan
in order to increase its labor force, Canada must welcome immigrants. They don't come alone, naked, and empty brain. So that Canada makes them all Canadians. They got money, clothes, inteligence, religion, culture.

Many of immigrants give up their past and quickly assimilate into new society, which is Canadian society. Many others cannot give up their own culture while integrating into new society. They live as two life within one period of life.

Canada cannot force them to renounce their past. It should accept both ways. Or, it should stop immigration, leaving its labor force to decline.

 

[Jay]

Re: RE: Toronto Terrorists -

Yes, that's the thing, "Anit terror" laws are used in some pretty non-protectin the homeland kind of ways- I cxan't recall right now but I remember a very recent story where someone did something stupid (sorry for the unintelligibility) and was charged under these "new" laws, but I can't recall what it was- was just ssome average Canadian fellow, born and raised here and the thing he was accused of doing was dumb but hardly and act of "terrorism"

Anyone recall this???

The arrest of 17 people in an anti-terror sweep in southern Ontario on Friday, June 2, 2006 was the second time people had been detained under Canada's Anti-terrorism Act.

The first was Ottawa software developer Mohammad Momin Khawaja who was arrested in March 2004, accused of participating in the activities of a terrorist group, and facilitating a terrorist activity. He was also named - but not charged - in Britain for playing a role in a foiled bomb plot. He is being held in an Ottawa detention centre, awaiting trial.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/cdnsecurity/antiterror-sweep.html

 

[Jay]

What Canada's response should be, if these are real terrorists, is that we should GET OUT OF AFGHANISTAN.

Thats not cowardice, its just facing up to the fact that we have pissed someone off badly, and wrongly, and without provocation, and that Canadas troops in Afghanistan are assaulting some of the very rights we are so proud of - soveriegnty, for eg.

So let me guess this straight....Most of these people were citizens of Canada and your conclusion is that "that we have pissed someone off badly" and we need to pull out of Afghanistan?

Hmmm, really. I'm pissed off badly about high taxes and such, so I guess then the answer would be to threaten to blow up some buildings and kill a bunch of people and then you lefties will lower the tax brackets? Interesting idea I suppose....I didn't know you guys could be pushed around so easily.

Has it ever occurred to you Karlin, they the Afghanistan government, pissed us off really badly and paid the price? Has it?

Your worse than a coward, Karlin....your like these guys they picked up in Toronto, you support the enemy.

 

[darkbeaver]

What Canada's response should be, if these are real terrorists, is that we should GET OUT OF AFGHANISTAN.

Thats not cowardice, its just facing up to the fact that we have pissed someone off badly, and wrongly, and without provocation, and that Canadas troops in Afghanistan are assaulting some of the very rights we are so proud of - soveriegnty, for eg.

So let me guess this straight....Most of these people were citizens of Canada and your conclusion is that "that we have pissed someone off badly" and we need to pull out of Afghanistan?

Hmmm, really. I'm pissed off badly about high taxes and such, so I guess then the answer would be to threaten to blow up some buildings and kill a bunch of people and then you lefties will lower the tax brackets? Interesting idea I suppose....I didn't know you guys could be pushed around so easily.

Has it ever occurred to you Karlin, they the Afghanistan government, pissed us off really badly and paid the price? Has it?

Your worse than a coward, Karlin....your like these guys they picked up in Toronto, you support the enemy.

Who is the enemy Jay? What do they look like? What colour is thier skin? What religion do they follow? What country or region of the planet do they come from? You mention the enemy often but for the most part you're vague about a discription so I'm not sure who your enemy's are.