Toronto Police obtain crack video of Ford

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Of course Harper is just a red herring but wisely so as there is nothing like killing "two birds with one stone". However we don't want to lose sight of the greed and theft of the senators, which is the original and primary concern. Whoever the P.M. happens to be he/she will invariably to be a "turkey". That's a given.

Well, it wouldn't be as bad for the PM if their office was not implicated in trying to cover up the misdeeds of the senators they appointed.

In politics, the cover up is usually much more damaging than the initial act. Remember Watergate? Nixon wasn't so much in trouble for the people breaking into DNC headquarters as much as he was for participating in covering it up.
 

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Well, it wouldn't be as bad for the PM if their office was not implicated in trying to cover up the misdeeds of the senators they appointed.

In politics, the cover up is usually much more damaging than the initial act. Remember Watergate? Nixon wasn't so much in trouble for the people breaking into DNC headquarters as much as he was for participating in covering it up.

I was just a kid when Watergate was in full swing, pretty hazy now. I was more into drinking beer in those days than following U.S. politics! -:)
 

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I was just a kid when Watergate was in full swing, pretty hazy now. I was more into drinking beer in those days than following U.S. politics! -:)
I wasn't even born, but if the people who make up names for new scandals on the news networks are any indication, it would have to be the gold standard for political scandals.
 

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I wasn't even born, but if the people who make up names for new scandals on the news networks are any indication, it would have to be the gold standard for political scandals.

Yep, it's pretty hard to surpass nefarious skulduggery involving the U.S. President.
 

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Rob Ford confirms his own fiscal failure:
(No more gravy left in this subway train)

“I have said I want a one-and-three-quarter per cent tax increase — that’s including a reduction in the land transfer tax; that’s including a half a per cent for the subways,” Ford told a cheering crowd at an economic development event at Casa Loma, before acknowledging, “I don’t believe that’s going to happen.”

In light of new expenditures and the commitment to building the Scarborough subway, budget chief Frank Di Giorgio said earlier Thursday “it will be very difficult” to keep the property tax increase to 1.75 per cent.

“The persistent message of, ‘You have to find saving’ — there comes a time when you have to say, well, there are no more savings to be had.”

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His reaction was “not good,” Mr. Di Giorgio told reporters. “To be brutally honest I think his feeling is the moment he was pushed aside, the gravy train got back in action,” said Mr. Di Giorgio, who doesn’t think that’s the case. He says he is trying to meet the weakened mayor’s fiscal agenda, but with city council having to raise money for a Scarborough subway the mayor championed and other funding pressures, he doubts it will happen.

“Unless the budget committee is able to dramatically reduce what’s being proposed by staff — and that I think will be a difficult chore — unless that happens, we’re going to be looking at property taxes in excess of 2 [%],” said Mr. Di Giorgio.

http://www.nationalpost.com/m/wp/bl...rease-not-good-as-council-readies-for-a-fight

That's gonna sting.
 
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That's gonna sting.
Not nearly as much as...

The 42% approval rating is virtually unchanged from a poll on Nov. 6 that pegged his approval rating at 44%.

Around 33% say they'll vote for the embattled mayor in the 2014 election and 33% think he is "good for Toronto,"

Is gunna sting you...

 

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33% would vote for him and 42% approval aren't good stats.

Also...

The Forum Research poll conducted for QMI Agency...


QMI is the company that owns The Sun.

Anyway, the number that really matters for Toronto right now is 1.75.
 

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1.75 is his goal.

Chances are it will be above 2%.

That's not good by any standard.

I can see why you would say that.

Ford’s approval rating is somewhere around 40 per cent, which might seem high, but stacks up terribly when compared to past municipal approval ratings. Toronto mayors have routinely enjoyed approval ratings higher than 50 per cent. In May 2004, Mayor David Miller enjoyed an 82 per cent approval rating. In November 1998, Mayor Mel Lastman was at 75 per cent.

Memo to tough-minded media: Five things Rob Ford says that aren’t true | Metro
 

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That's not good by any standard.
That's not true, when higher in the past, it was well inside the parameters of Ok.

In fact, I believe you even defended the last mayor, who raised taxes at greater rates, for diminished services.

Ford’s approval rating is somewhere around 40 per cent, which might seem high, but stacks up terribly when compared to past municipal approval ratings. Toronto mayors have routinely enjoyed approval ratings higher than 50 per cent. In May 2004, Mayor David Miller enjoyed an 82 per cent approval rating. In November 1998, Mayor Mel Lastman was at 75 per cent.

Memo to tough-minded media: Five things Rob Ford says that aren’t true | Metro
I really don't care, but I love the back flips you'll do to dismiss it. Which causes me to ask, who are you trying to convince, me or yourself?
 

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If we need higher tax rates is a different argument than whether or not that is good news.

The greater point is that this goes against Ford's mandate of finding gravy.

Ford is quickly losing respect for the taxpayers that voted for him.
 

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The greater point is that this goes against Ford's mandate of finding gravy.
Not really, he's already cut a lot of feed from the trough. We would likely see more if he wasn't ham-stringed by council.

Ford is quickly losing respect for the taxpayers that voted for him.
That's what you want, but the polls show a different story, lol.
 

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Not really, he's already cut a lot of feed from the trough. We would likely see more if he wasn't ham-stringed by council.

That's what you want, but the polls show a different story, lol.
The stream of revelations over his time in office seem to indicate that he does not exactly practice what he preaches.

The most obvious would be hiring his family friend and paying him 130k per year for a job that his own chief of staff says probably should have paid around 70k. Before that we had the mayor hiring staff with his office budget to do work for his football team and also using city resources for that work.
 

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Not really, he's already cut a lot of feed from the trough. We would likely see more if he wasn't ham-stringed by council.

That's what you want, but the polls show a different story, lol.

How is 33% of people voting for him a good thing?

What percentage of Toronto voters elected him?

And how can you endorse this fiscal liar?

Rob Ford’s numbers simply don’t add up - The Globe and Mail

Sidelined by city council and facing mounting calls to resign, Mayor Rob Ford is trying to shift attention to his record as a fiscal and economic manager. In a speech at Casa Loma on Thursday evening, he said, “I have transformed Toronto into an economic powerhouse,” a statement so boastful that some members of the business crowd burst into laughter.

He also told his audience: “The Ford administration has saved more than one billion dollars.” That claim is dubious at best. The Ford fiscal record is not nearly as good as he says.

To give credit where due, he has had some genuine successes on the fiscal front. His administration stopped the practice of using leftover money from one year’s budget to plug holes in the next. It saved money by contracting out garbage collection in the west side of the city. It negotiated a new deal with city unions that should save more.

But many of Mr. Ford’s other claims are exaggerated or plain wrong.

In interviews this week, he repeated his now-familiar claim to have saved more than $1-billion since taking office in December, 2010. He reaches that figure only by including $200-million from cancelling the vehicle-registration tax, which he did away with in the early days of his mayoralty. Even if taxpayers welcomed the break, that was a cut to the city government’s income, not its expenditures, so it cannot properly be counted as a saving. The same goes for another item he includes in his billion-dollar claim: a $24-million rise in user fees for things such as city-run fitness classes. That may shift costs to the user instead of the general taxpayer, but, again, it does not amount to a spending cut.

Mr. Ford stretches one more figure in tallying up his bogus billion. He says he has saved $78-million by contracting out garbage, but that is over the seven-year life of the contract and he speaks as if he has already saved the $1-billion.

Mr. Ford also claims to be “taking the bull by the horns” and taming the city’s debt. Over the next 10 years, he said in a speech in August, “we are reducing our city debt by over $804-million.” In his Casa Loma speech, he again spoke of his success at delivering “reduced debt.” In fact, at last report the city’s debt was set to rise to $4.2-billion by 2018 from $2.3-billion at the end of 2012, then fall to $3-billion in 2023. That doesn’t include the debt the city will take on to build the proposed Scarborough extension of the Bloor-Danforth subway line. The mayor was talking about a plan to reduce borrowing that, if it works, would add $800-million less to the debt than would otherwise have been the case. As a city budget document puts it, “$800-million represents the amount of new debt that has been avoided through the use of a revised capital-financing strategy.” It is good to avoid borrowing money if you can, no doubt, but slowing the rate of borrowing is not the same as reducing the debt.

Mr. Ford’s boldest claim is on taxes. At Casa Loma he said he was improving services “while keeping taxes lower than any North American city.” He told Fox News days earlier that, under his administration, Toronto has had “the lowest tax increase compared to any North American city. First year it was zero, second two and a half [per cent], third year was two, and this year I’m coming in at one and three quarter per cent including half a per cent for subways.” In fact, Windsor has had a property-tax freeze in place for five straight years and is set to approve a sixth. Winnipeg froze property taxes for 14 years until 2012. Toronto’s rate of tax increase has been moderate under Mr. Ford, but it is not correct to claim it is the lowest. City council’s budget chief, Frank Di Giorgio, says it will be a struggle even to reach Mr. Ford’s goal of a 1.75-per-cent residential tax increase next year.

Mr. Ford takes credit for a growing economy, too. “We’re booming – this city has never been in better shape,” he told Fox. “The city has over 180 cranes in the sky now.”

Toronto’s economy is indeed doing well, but whether it is the mayor’s doing is another question. The boom in condominium construction started before he took office, a phenomenon that has little relation to who is in the mayor’s chair. The city started lowering business taxes to compete with its 905 rivals under previous mayors. Toronto was a “powerhouse” long before he came along.

As for jobs, the mayor held a news conference in September to boast that Toronto’s unemployment rate had dropped to 7.1 per cent from a peak of 11 per cent. “Another promise made, another promise kept,” he said. “This is a major accomplishment.” In reality, Toronto’s job-creation record has more to do with an improving trend in the national economy than any policy by the city government. This autumn the national jobless rate fell below 7 per cent for the first time since the big recession five years ago.

If Mr. Ford wants to argue that voters should look at his fiscal and economic record instead of his behaviour, fair enough. But let him at least be straightforward about what that record is.
 

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How is 33% of people voting for him a good thing?
It means that 33% of those polled don't care about the nonsense you think is important, like him smoking crack and the other none material garbage.

And how can you endorse this fiscal liar?
Because he's better than the last fiscal liar, and more importantly, he drives you and your ilk nuts. I love that!!!
 

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The stream of revelations over his time in office seem to indicate that he does not exactly practice what he preaches.
Meh, not to many politicians do.

Hell, people on this board don't, lol.
The most obvious would be hiring his family friend and paying him 130k per year for a job that his own chief of staff says probably should have paid around 70k. Before that we had the mayor hiring staff with his office budget to do work for his football team and also using city resources for that work.
Meh, who cares, compared to the last boss, the former is moot, the latter could be seen as charitable.
 

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Meh, not to many politicians do.

Hell, people on this board don't, lol.
Meh, who cares, compared to the last boss, the former is moot, the latter could be seen as charitable.
Charity would be using his own money to hire people to work with the team. Using city funds for non city business is stealing.

The former isn't moot just because he was forced out of a job recently. He still did it, and he didn't part with him by choice.