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BornRuff

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Nah, it's for a city program.
No, it actually isn't a city program. It is a highschool football team.

The money he is given for his office budget is not allocated for him to hire staff for his highschool football team. City cars and phone are not allocated for that use.

If he wants to be charitable, he has to do that with his own money, otherwise it is just stealing.
 

CDNBear

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No, it actually isn't a city program. It is a highschool football team.
In the city, run by a city org.
The money he is given for his office budget is not allocated for him to hire staff for his highschool football team. City cars and phone are not allocated for that use.

If he wants to be charitable, he has to do that with his own money, otherwise it is just stealing.
Blah blah blah.
 

CDNBear

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No, schools and school sports teams are not run by the city.
I didn't say the city, I said a city org.

If it wasn't an org in the city, it wouldn't be called TCDSB.

Good argument.
Your mountains out of mole hills weren't worth anything more.

I have no problem with city staff working with inner city youth. Social programs like Ford's football team (And the other schools his foundation aids), are proven anti crime, pro education strategies.

Why you would be against such things is troubling to say the least.
 

BornRuff

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I didn't say the city, I said a city org.

If it wasn't an org in the city, it wouldn't be called TCDSB.

What exactly is your definition of a "city org".

The logical definition would be an organization that is part of the city government, or funded by the city, no?

Your mountains out of mole hills weren't worth anything more.

I have no problem with city staff working with inner city youth. Social programs like Ford's football team (And the other schools his foundation aids), are proven anti crime, pro education strategies.

Why you would be against such things is troubling to say the least.

Nice straw man argument.

Nobody said they are against social programs(except Rob Ford who has tried to cut countless social programs for disadvantaged people in the city).

City staff do work with kids, and they are hired through programs approved and budgeted by the city council(btw, Don Bosco is pretty far from the "inner city". It is like 10 minutes from the airport).

If he wants to help kids get access to these programs, he should be fighting for funding for programs across the city and having that spending approved accordingly. Put something in place that is sustainable. Rob is the first person to jump on anyone else using money in a way that they are not supposed to, so he should hold himself to the same standard.
 

CDNBear

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What exactly is your definition of a "city org".
I didn't make it clear enough for you? I can only dumb it down so far.

Nice straw man argument.
Looks nice with your mole hills.

So why is Ford's work with city youth so egregious to you?

City staff do work with kids, and they are hired through programs approved and budgeted by the city council(btw, Don Bosco is pretty far from the "inner city". It is like 10 minutes from the airport).
(btw, The foundation funds school programs all over the city)

If he wants to help kids get access to these programs, he should be fighting for funding for programs across the city and having that spending approved accordingly.
He is working on funding for across the city, he set up a foundation.

Rob is the first person to jump on anyone else using money in a way that they are not supposed to, so he should hold himself to the same standard.
Because they were blowing money on crap. Menial time volunteered by office staff, to help with city youth programs, isn't crap. Unless you have an agenda.
 
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BornRuff

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I didn't make it clear enough for you? I can only dumb it down so far.

Lol, no, you didn't explain it at all. Keep avoiding saying you are wrong if you must.

So why is Ford's work with city youth so egregious to you?

Lol, again, straw man. The problem is his misappropriation of funds. If he wants to spend city money on football teams, he has to go through city council.

(btw, The foundation funds school programs all over the city)

He is working on funding for across the city, he set up a foundation.

Raising private money for his favorite cause is great on him. If he wants to spend taxpayer money though, it has to go through council.

Any city funding shouldn't be focused just on the one team that the Mayor is most involved with.

Because they were blowing money on crap.

It is not up to him to decide who has to follow the rules and who doesn't.
 

CDNBear

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Lol, no, you didn't explain it at all.
It's right up there, in black and white. But feel free to make it up as you go along.

Keep avoiding saying you are wrong if you must.
I'm not wrong, TCDSB is an org in the city. It isn't my fault your incapable of understanding my explanation, or your you aren't capable of seeing anything in other than black and white.

Lol, again, straw man.
It's a question, that's why there's a question mark at the end.

Does it make you to uncomfortable to answer it?

The problem is his misappropriation of funds.
Nice lie. How many times do you think you'll have to say that before someone actually believes he's misappropriated funds?

If he wants to spend city money on football teams, he has to go through city council.
He didn't spend city money on football teams.

And again, please don't ever bring up issues of semantics. You'll only be embarrassing yourself.
 

BornRuff

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It's right up there, in black and white. But feel free to make it up as you go along.

I'm not wrong, TCDSB is an org in the city. It isn't my fault your incapable of understand my explanation, or your you aren't capable of seeing anything in other than black and white.

"City org" and "an org in the city" are two different things.

By your definition, would the Toronto Maple Leafs also be a city org?

It's question, that's why there's a question mark at the end.

Does it make you to uncomfortable to answer it?

I never said anything about his work with city kids, I am talking about him misappropriating funds.

Nice lie. How many times do you think you'll have to say that before someone actually believes he's misappropriated funds?

He didn't spend city money on football teams.

Yes, he had city staff using city resources organizing his football practices and hauling equipment around during business hours.

Even he knows this is wrong, which is why he tried to deny and hide it.

And again, please don't ever bring up issues of semantics. You'll only be embarrassing yourself.

The fact that city spending has to be approved by council is not semantics. It is the law.
 

CDNBear

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By your definition, would the Toronto Maple Leafs also be a city org?
Yep.

I never said anything about his work with city kids, I am talking about him misappropriating funds.
That's two.

How many more time will it take for that lie to take hold do you think?

Yes, he had city staff using city resources organizing his football practices and hauling equipment around during business hours.
Yep, cops do the very same thing, so do firefighters.

If the mayor or city councilors do it, the only people that take issue with it, are people with an agenda.

The fact that city spending has to be approved by council is not semantics. It is the law.
I was referring to your now repeated use of "misappropriated funds", which betrays your facade.
 

BornRuff

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Lol, so as long as he is spending money "In the city, run by a city org." it is fine by you?

Your definition would allow him to spend taxpayer money on tickets to a Leafs game for himself. I think you need to refine a bit.

That's two.

How many more time will it take for that lie to take hold do you think?

Yep, cops do the very same thing, so do firefighters.

I was referring to your now repeated use of "misappropriated funds", which betrays your facade.

It is not semantics. The money he spent on those staff members and city resources was given to him explicitly to run the office of the mayor. It was not given to him to staff a highschool football team. Doing so is misappropriation of those funds.

Some police officers are assigned to do community work, which is approved and budgeted for through the proper channels. They are not allowed to do that if assigned to a different task.
 

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Lol, so as long as he is spending money "In the city, run by a city org." it is fine by you?
On social programs meant to help city youth, as was clearly the gist of my comment, yep.

Your definition would allow him to spend taxpayer money on tickets to a Leafs game for himself. I think you need to refine a bit.
You can add strawman to the list of things you probably shouldn't whine about in the future. Lest your hypocrisy causes you credibility issues.

It is not semantics.
Oh ya it is. Misappropriation of funds is usually followed up with criminal charges, as we saw in London Ontario.

So again, please don't be a hypocrite, I'd hate like hell to see you embarrass yourself further.

Some police officers are assigned to do community work, which is approved and budgeted for through the proper channels. They are not allowed to do that if assigned to a different task.
Very interesting wording, I can't argue with, as you are correct.

But, knowing the local constabulary as I do, I know what you're trying to carefully imply, isn't completely true. Patrol cars can and will be dispatched for any number of reasons pertaining to public use, including helping out charities if need be, without prior arrangement or use of public relations units.

In one such case, to use spotlights and headlights to illuminate an outdoor hockey rink, so the kids could finish their game.

Same with firefighters, which you conveniently ignored, lol.

We can now add ignoring things, to the list of things you should probably avoid whining about in the future.
 
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BornRuff

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On social programs meant to help city youth, as was clearly the gist of my comment, yep.

You can add strawman to the list of things you probably shouldn't whine about in the future. Lest your hypocrisy causes you credibility issues.

The gists of your argument actually seems to be that you thought that the city run school sports teams.

Oh ya it is. Misappropriation of funds is usually followed up with criminal charges, as we saw in London Ontario.

So again, please don't be a hypocrite, I'd hate like hell to see you embarrass yourself further.

Ford actually repaid some of the money after it became public, so clearly he knows it was wrong.

Very interesting wording, I can't argue with, as you are correct.

Great, thanks for ending that.
 

petros

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Hmm...

I wonder if there are any cool Rob Ford t-shirts on eBay?

I'll be back....

ROB Ford King OF Toronto Crack Scandal Gangsta Meme T Shirt Made IN Toronto | eBay

 

mentalfloss

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Thanks Locutus.

Barring polling inaccuracies, it looks like Ford has a long way to go for re-election.

I want a tee that says:

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