To Kill a Mockingbird and Huckleberry Finn banned from schools in Virginia for racism

Remington1

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Have you read any of the books by Lance Horner and Kyle Onstott? Excellent reading if you have a fairly thick skin! I think I've read them all about 30 or 40! Those books are just a true portrayal of life in the deep south in the mid- late 1800s. As the modern expression goes.............."it is what it is". No use in pretending it didn't happen!




Does anyone understand that except for you and I?
No, not read neither, but I will now, thanks.
 

Bar Sinister

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It is not the first time these books have been banned due to their supposedly racist slurs. The fact is that the books depict an era when people used what are now considered racist terms in everyday language; especially in the case of books like Huckleberry Finn.
 

bobnoorduyn

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Weren't Nazis considered to be right wing?


Yes, that was the great lie, or at least obfuscation that I suspect was perpetrated by Stalin to distance his style of tyranny from Hitler's. Both were leftists, but the lie worked and still persists because Stalin was an equal opportunity tyrant. Far right would really be anarchy and far left is total control by government, with centrist somewhere in the middle. The problem we have are those using these labels falsely whether to vilify others or justify and gain sympathy for their own cause. The so called "religious right" is not right at all, they just want a more targeted NAZ!esque tyranny, which is still a leftist philosophy. You will never hear this in a university discussion, let alone a political science course these days, they like their pigeon holes where they've got them. Liberty in actuality is foreign to them, and all leftists.
 

bobnoorduyn

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Weren't Nazis considered to be right wing?


That was the great lie, or obfuscation, I suspect was presented by Stalin to distance his style of tyranny from Hitler's to gain the favour of the Allies, and it worked. Hitler's was targeted where Stalin's was more of an equal opportunity type of oppression. Who doesn't love an egalitarian, right? In reality, left is total control by government, and right is no control, or no government, i.e. anarchy, with centrist somewhere in the middle. Leftists love the common pigeon holes because it suits their needs, (and the religious right is an oxymoron because since they insist on total control, a NAZ!esque philosophy, it is still a leftist ideology). You will never hear it this way in a university discussion, let alone a political science course these days as it runs counter to their objectives, which is to keep the labels, false as they are, to promote the leftist ideology they want. Liberty is some obscure intangible in the minds of the left.

Oops, I took a call and thought I lost the first post, re-wrote it without realising the first one was posted. Been a long day.

But today's Nazis call themselves far right so that should settle the issue.


They lie too, just as the left does, to distance themselves from the other. In reality they are the same, just with different objectives. I can call myself a lion, doesn't change reality.
 

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With so many classics to choose from, I don't see why we should keep books that are offensive to Blacks, as parents they should have a say about books that refers to their culture as n#gers, and negative stereotypes, classic or not!! I actually read both books and they were well written and I enjoyed the movie with Gregory Peck, but does it belong in schools? Not particularly.

So this is where it starts, but where do you think it might end? If one segment of society wins the right to ban books of which they disapprove, what would stop another? One the precedent is set, the field is open.

Rather I would see teachers use the books as an illustration of how society is able to evolve and find common ground.
 

Bar Sinister

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Yes, that was the great lie, or at least obfuscation that I suspect was perpetrated by Stalin to distance his style of tyranny from Hitler's. Both were leftists, but the lie worked and still persists because Stalin was an equal opportunity tyrant. Far right would really be anarchy and far left is total control by government, with centrist somewhere in the middle. The problem we have are those using these labels falsely whether to vilify others or justify and gain sympathy for their own cause. The so called "religious right" is not right at all, they just want a more targeted NAZ!esque tyranny, which is still a leftist philosophy. You will never hear this in a university discussion, let alone a political science course these days, they like their pigeon holes where they've got them. Liberty in actuality is foreign to them, and all leftists.

Both were leftists? The reason you won't hear that in a political science class is because it is not true. Fascism or Nazism is an extreme right wing ideology characterized by extreme nationalism; militarism; expansionist policies; and often extreme racism. Nazism was an especially virulent form of fascism, characterized by all of the above as well as a belief in racial superiority and the goal of the complete extermination or enslavement of "inferior" races. Fascism also believes in a structured society in which those most fit to rule dominate society. As such it is completely anti-democratic.

Communism is a left wing ideology that is international in scope; believing that all people are essentially the same; that capitalism is the source of all evil; and that all sources of wealth should be held in common. It seeks to destroy the capitalist system, by force if necessary, and replace it with a worker-run society in which all wealth is shared equally.

The confusion over the two opposite ideologies results from the fact that historically both systems emerged as brutal centrally controlled dictatorships. So far as fascism was concerned this was by design, but the original view of communism as proposed by Marx and his followers was of a truly democratic system in which no citizen was better than another. Unfortunately, actual communism did not end up this way, evolving into a totalitarian form of government very similar to fascism in its structure, but that is not what it was supposed to be. Even right to the end ardent communists in nations like China and the Soviet Union claimed that they were working toward a free society in which social classes have disappeared and all citizens are free and equal.

So this is where it starts, but where do you think it might end? If one segment of society wins the right to ban books of which they disapprove, what would stop another? One the precedent is set, the field is open.

Rather I would see teachers use the books as an illustration of how society is able to evolve and find common ground.

Huckleberry Finn is a book that should probably be taught at university level. Like many other books I can think of introducing it in junior or senior high might lead to a complete misunderstanding of the novel, which was essentially anti-slavery if interpreted correctly.
 

bobnoorduyn

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Both were leftists? The reason you won't hear that in a political science class is because it is not true. Fascism or Nazism is an extreme right wing ideology characterized by extreme nationalism; militarism; expansionist policies; and often extreme racism. Nazism was an especially virulent form of fascism, characterized by all of the above as well as a belief in racial superiority and the goal of the complete extermination or enslavement of "inferior" races. Fascism also believes in a structured society in which those most fit to rule dominate society. As such it is completely anti-democratic.

Communism is a left wing ideology that is international in scope; believing that all people are essentially the same; that capitalism is the source of all evil; and that all sources of wealth should be held in common. It seeks to destroy the capitalist system, by force if necessary, and replace it with a worker-run society in which all wealth is shared equally.

The confusion over the two opposite ideologies results from the fact that historically both systems emerged as brutal centrally controlled dictatorships. So far as fascism was concerned this was by design, but the original view of communism as proposed by Marx and his followers was of a truly democratic system in which no citizen was better than another. Unfortunately, actual communism did not end up this way, evolving into a totalitarian form of government very similar to fascism in its structure, but that is not what it was supposed to be. Even right to the end ardent communists in nations like China and the Soviet Union claimed that they were working toward a free society in which social classes have disappeared and all citizens are free and equal.


So in other words, fascists knew what they were getting into but communists, (the followers) were lied to and got essentially the same thing, communist leaders knew exactly what they were doing. BTW, both are extremely nationalist, militarist and expansionist, and equally brutal. This clip is more to describe US style government, but describes others as well:




 

Bar Sinister

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So in other words, fascists knew what they were getting into but communists, (the followers) were lied to and got essentially the same thing, communist leaders knew exactly what they were doing. BTW, both are extremely nationalist, militarist and expansionist, and equally brutal. This clip is more to describe US style government, but describes others as well:


Sorry, but the maker of the video does not know what he is talking about. He doesn't even know that a republic refers only to a government that is not a monarchy. If you don't believe that look it up. Nor does he understand the political spectrum. Here is an article that might make that more clear if you bother to read it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_spectrum

You also might want to take this little test to see where you are on the political spectrum. https://www.politicalcompass.org/test
 

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More joy at your meltdown.

 

HarperCons

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Those books have been banned in Canada for decades. As well as the songs of Steven Foster and the poetry of Robert Service.
The peculiar thing is that PC wants to wipe out any unpleasantness of the past. While the black race wants to preserve their heritage and relive the horror of their bondage. But at the same time they want historical facts squelched.
Can't read about slavery!
Can't display the Confederate flag!
Can't call them Negroes!
History can't be changed. It should all be preserved, the bad as well as the good.
It's a miracle they haven't banned any references to the World Wars. The Germans and Japanese might be offended! Maybe that's why history no longer taught in depth in schools?
Those books have been banned in Canada for decades.

Incorrect retard. To kill a mockingbird is part of the curriculum in high schools, shut the **** up pretending you have a single clue what you're talking about.