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Walter

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My question is; when can the Vikings move back to Greenland and start their farming again?
 

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My question is; when can the Vikings move back to Greenland and start their farming again?

Perhaps a better question would be what will the farming be like in existing grain belts if the marginal farming areas of Greenland can be brought into production. There are a lot of misconceptions about the quality of land for growing food when that land hasn't had enough time to develop little necessities like soil.
 

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Perhaps a better question would be what will the farming be like in existing grain belts if the marginal farming areas of Greenland can be brought into production. There are a lot of misconceptions about the quality of land for growing food when that land hasn't had enough time to develop little necessities like soil.

Greenland was an agricultural area long before Europeans came to North America. You think maybe when it got too cold to farm anymore the Vikings too their soil back home with them?
 

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Greenland was an agricultural area long before Europeans came to North America. You think maybe when it got too cold to farm anymore the Vikings too their soil back home with them?
Not much soil in permafrost,you need organic growth to make soil so only a few inches in most places I have seen and that took thousands of years to develop.

Mostly frozen silt.North of Hudsons bay right now you would be lucky to scrape a few inches of tundra off the permafrost,it is a very good insulator.
This is the area known as the barren lands.Limited growth so limited soil.
 
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Greenland was an agricultural area long before Europeans came to North America. You think maybe when it got too cold to farm anymore the Vikings too their soil back home with them?

A couple of things, there wasn't much cultivation taking place in Greenland some animal husbandry, and hunter gatherer type of existence, because of the poor soil and climate. Greenland is part of north America, apparently when the Vikings did leave Greenland rather than take the little bit of soil with them they loaded up the babies and grabbed the old ladies and moved to Newfoundland and Labrador which is also part of north America where they also didn't do dry well
 

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A couple of things, there wasn't much cultivation taking place in Greenland some animal husbandry, and hunter gatherer type of existence, because of the poor soil and climate. Greenland is part of north America, apparently when the Vikings did leave Greenland rather than take the little bit of soil with them they loaded up the babies and grabbed the old ladies and moved to Newfoundland and Labrador which is also part of north America where they also didn't do dry well
Wow. Did you get educated in Canada? I grew up on a farm and the farmers where I lived always took their soil from field to field and penned it up in the cold weather.
 

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A couple of things, there wasn't much cultivation taking place in Greenland some animal husbandry, and hunter gatherer type of existence, because of the poor soil and climate. Greenland is part of north America, apparently when the Vikings did leave Greenland rather than take the little bit of soil with them they loaded up the babies and grabbed the old ladies and moved to Newfoundland and Labrador which is also part of north America where they also didn't do very well

You probably didn't notice that I was responding to taxaves question Walter
 

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More records this week. The three new record minimums makes 6 now in total, with another few weeks of the melt season left before the average calendar date of the yearly Arctic minimum.

DMI Arctic Sea Ice Extent:


Cryosphere Today Arctic Basin Sea Ice Area:

IJIS Arctic Sea Ice Extent:


I wonder what Watts will say this year when the refreeze breaks all records? Probably another historic recovery. :roll:
 

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Two more records. This melt season now has record minimums in 8 different data sets.

NSIDC Arctic Sea Ice Extent:


ROOS Arctic Sea Ice Extent:
 

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Perhaps a better question would be what will the farming be like in existing grain belts if the marginal farming areas of Greenland can be brought into production. There are a lot of misconceptions about the quality of land for growing food when that land hasn't had enough time to develop little necessities like soil.

What's wrong with growing bananas, pineapples and rice? :smile:
 

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Just talked to my buddy at camp south of cambridge bay,they are bucketing with the choppers just to keep the dust down today,enjoy!





And 0 celsius temps this morning,the ice will start forming in 2 weeks now that the sun is going into hiding for the winter.
 

Kakato

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0°C in Cambridge Bay? Not according to Environment Canada:

Ya well I would sooner believe the guy up there then environment Canada.
You see Tonn. He lives there and we keep in touch.
Sorry for your fail.

In the Arctic when I say south of Cambridge bay that's about 600 miles south,I thought you said you lived in the north?
Anyone who has would know there are no roads and the distances between villages are hundreds of miles,carry on my Arctic graph expert,I'm enjoying this.
Those camps all have weather records,they have to when flying in hercs.
Try goose or George lake.
The camp managers up there are the ones that posted the temps this morning.
But they live there,you dont right?
You calling them liars?

Stick to fish,something you know about.
or graphs that lead to nowhere,that seems to be your forte in lieu of experience.

Internet experts are just that,internet experts.
Hope that helps on your next resume.
 
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CDNBear

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Ya well I would sooner believe the guy up there...
So would I...

Representatives from Nunavut Tunngavik, Kitikmeot Inuit Association, Kivalliq Inuit
Association, Qikiqtani Inuit Association, Inuit Tapirasat of Canada, Nunavut Planning
Commission, Nunavut Impact Review Board, Department of Indian and Northern Development
and Government of Nunavut also participated in the conference.

· Winters are getting shorter, summers are getting longer.

· We are losing the ice in our glaciers and fiords. Permafrost is melting. We see
vegetation growing where ice used to be.

· The sun’s rays are increasing, Inuit need stronger suntan lotion.

· We now see birds and wildlife that we have never seen here before. Ravens are
everywhere, Snow Geese are too numerous.

· Heavier winds can be dangerous, be cautious. Because of Global Warming we could
become subject to catastrophes like hurricanes.

· Caribou meat tastes different now and there are concerns about contaminants and
diseases. We send samples out to labs but never get results back. Caribou hides are
thinner.

· More Inuit are dying from cancers, including skin cancers. We have to find out if this is
from mining or contaminants or from climate change.

· Fall ice forms later and may not be safe to travel on until Christmas

· If trends continue, Hudson Bay (and other areas) may never freeze over. The impact on
wildlife will be tremendous.

· Inuit have to be prepared for the impacts of Global Warming.

· Water levels are getting lower

· Isostatic rebounding

· The floe edge is receding faster

· More ships are traveling through the Northwest Passage, due to the lower ice coverage in
recent years.

From the 'peeps' that live there...

http://www.tunngavik.com/files/2011/03/elders.pdf

Hope that helps on your next resume.

Internet experts are just that,internet experts.
You took the words right out of my mouth...
 

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What's wrong with growing bananas, pineapples and rice? :smile:

Not a thing, are you doing some experimenting? Let me suggest going to a market that deals in heritage seed from the areas native to those crops. There is still pretty good diversity in terms of drought and cold and heat and flooding resistance. A little of each kind might go a long way to keeping you and yours sustainable in a very uncertain future.