This summer may see first ice-free North Pole

petros

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How about the obvious droughts in TX and Africa and lack of hurricane season for the Atlantic?
You don't need a graph for that do you?
 

petros

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No no no. Facts are facts bub. Cool oceans make for droughts and light weight storms.

Look up the causation for the drought in India and up into Russia.

When did in the Indian Ocean become la Ninaesque?
 

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No no no. Facts are facts bub. Cool oceans make for droughts and light weight storms.

Cool oceans aren't the only cause, first of all. And secondly, you can have cool oceans, with drought-stricken areas while the global average temperature is still rising.
 

petros

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NOAA Scientists Link International Droughts and Ocean Temperatures

Sometimes patterns cross and blammo....a perfect storm of bull****.


Cold sea surface temperatures in the eastern tropical Pacific and warm sea

surface temperatures in the western tropical Pacific and Indian Ocean
worked
together to create an abnormal pattern in tropical rainfall,
according to a
January 31 NOAA press release. Climate scientists Martin
Hoerling and Arun
Kumar came to these conclusions after entering actual sea
surface temperatures
in climate simulation computer programs.





The scientists said, "What is suggested by the atmospheric modeling results

of 1998-2002 is an increased risk for severe and synchronized drying of the

mid-latitudes in the future, if these oceanic conditions continue to

occur."

1998-2002...wasn't that the last solar cycle peak as well?
 

petros

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Atmosphere eh? What keeps our atmosphere in place?

Atmospheric pressure
Climate change

You can use east Africa as a perfect example. While droughts exist in the area, in part due to less rainfall (which in and of itself is an effect of less condensation from oceans), the global mean temperatures for Kenya and Ethiopia have risen by at least 1.3 degrees since 1960.
What were temps in Kenya 10,000 years prior to that? Higher or lower?
 

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Sure, 50/50 is a probability, just a piss poor one...

So you say...without any reasoning. Just because you say so isn't a good enough answer..

Maybe the author could incorporate a 95% margin of error as well, at least it would add a little more comic relief.

It would be pointless...

Comprehend?

La Nina cools areas of the Pacific, but through teleconnections in the global climate produces impacts across the globe. Global cooling is not one of them...
 

Tonington

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So why is the Atlantic and Indian cooling along with the Pacific? Coincidence?

They aren't? There is no coincidence...

 

captain morgan

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So you say...without any reasoning. Just because you say so isn't a good enough answer..

Sure it is, my comment is based on a probabilistic statement. If I say the odds are 50-50 that you roll a 1, or a 2, or a 3 on a fair six sided die, and you roll a 5, the probabilistic statement wasn't wrong.

You ought to brush-up on this, it will make more sense the more you comprehend.
 

Tonington

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Sure it is, my comment is based on a probabilistic statement.

So what were the odds then in Jun of 2008? You say it's crap, but that's all you have. That and your horendous track record with understanding math and stats.

Really? One month showed it all? How was your summer? Above or below average?

You said cooling. Let's look at the other months:

July


No coincidence there either...

How about June:

Hmm, not there either.

Maybe March up to May?

Nope....Some cold spots and hot spots, but no definitive cooling of the Atlantic or Indian oceans. And the cooling in the Pacific is not basin-wide...

My summer was not cold...it was filled with precipitation though.
 

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So what were the odds then in Jun of 2008? You say it's crap, but that's all you have. That and your horendous track record with understanding math and stats.

The odds were 50/50 according to the coin-toss science which you are foolishly defending.

... And it is crap: Your use of one (or a few) shallow statistical tools to extrapolate across a massively complex, dynamic and forever changing 'system' is deserving of the utmost pathos from any and all that read your words.