These guys must be learning from Mulroney

CDNBear

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Mulroney learned it from Trudeau and inherited his debt as well as the long term program spending trudeau foisted upon us.

Yup, conservatism has changed. But then so has liberalism.
Modern liberalism includes big government, intrusive tendencies (nannyism), and graft. Quite the opposite of classical liberalism.
Truer words could not be said...

Both of you hit the nail on the head and drove it through the board.

And people wonder why I loath the LPoC. ;-)
 

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Truer words could not be said...

Both of you hit the nail on the head and drove it through the board.

And people wonder why I loath the LPoC. ;-)

Ahhh...now I get it.

You're a libertarian....everyone for themselves and let the weak die.
 

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Mulroney learned it from Trudeau and inherited his debt as well as the long term program spending trudeau foisted upon us.

I see. Did Reagan also learn it from Trudeau? How about the two Bushes? Also learned from Trudeau? Mike Harris here in Ontario? Another Trudeau student?

My, but that Trudeau must have been a very good teacher. I didn't know he had so many conservative students.
 

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I see. Did Reagan also learn it from Trudeau? How about the two Bushes? Also learned from Trudeau? Mike Harris here in Ontario? Another Trudeau student?

My, but that Trudeau must have been a very good teacher. I didn't know he had so many conservative students.

Yes, Cretien and Martin didn't attend those classes.

Of course in the eyes of the bear only "blue collar" workers paid down the debt.....no one else.:roll:
 

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Ahhh...now I get it.

You're a libertarian....everyone for themselves and let the weak die.


Avro, you have to be careful with the moniker ‘Libertarian’. Many conservatives masquerade as Libertarians; I suppose Libertarian sounds better, more dignified than Conservative.

Many libertarians, when asked about their stands on individuals issues, reveal their true Conservative colors. A true libertarian is neither a conservative or a liberal, he agrees with conservatives on some issues, with liberals on others.
 

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Libertarians are worse than conservatives, selfish jerks who care for nothing other than themselves and what they own. We have one that runs in my riding, he wants to end public education, I asked him face to face how anyone without money would get an education he said he couldn't care less, that's not his problem.

Jerk.

He didn't even want the fire department funded through taxation, he wanted a volunteer service because he felt paying firefighters to sit around was a grievous waste of money.

Jerk.

I could go on but I think you get the picture.
 

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Libertarians are worse than conservatives, selfish jerks who care for nothing other than themselves and what they own. We have one that runs in my riding, he wants to end public education, I asked him face to face how anyone without money would get an education he said he couldn't care less, that's not his problem.

Jerk.

He didn't even want the fire department funded through taxation, he wanted a volunteer service because he felt paying firefighters to sit around was a grievous waste of money.

Jerk.

I could go on but I think you get the picture.

Well, ask him where he stands on abortion, a true libertarian is strongly prochoice, it follows from the philosophy of minimum government intervention.

Or ask him it he supports getting rid of all the restrictions on pornography, if he supports legalizing all drugs (not just marijuana, but crack, cocaine, heroin, the whole deal, a true Libertarian would support legalizing all drugs). Or his stand on gay marriage.

Ask him if he supports the war in Afghanistan, a true Libertarian wouldn’t. It wouldn’t surprise me if he is yet another conservative pretending to be a Libertarian.
 

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Well, ask him where he stands on abortion, a true libertarian is strongly prochoice, it follows from the philosophy of minimum government intervention.

Or ask him it he supports getting rid of all the restrictions on pornography, if he supports legalizing all drugs (not just marijuana, but crack, cocaine, heroin, the whole deal, a true Libertarian would support legalizing all drugs). Or his stand on gay marriage.

Ask him if he supports the war in Afghanistan, a true Libertarian wouldn’t. It wouldn’t surprise me if he is yet another conservative pretending to be a Libertarian.

This guy is not a libertarian but a nut bar. No political affiliation. I would like less needless bureaucratic intervention in our lives too but some services just have to be shared.
 

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Well, ask him where he stands on abortion, a true libertarian is strongly prochoice, it follows from the philosophy of minimum government intervention.

Or ask him it he supports getting rid of all the restrictions on pornography, if he supports legalizing all drugs (not just marijuana, but crack, cocaine, heroin, the whole deal, a true Libertarian would support legalizing all drugs). Or his stand on gay marriage.

Ask him if he supports the war in Afghanistan, a true Libertarian wouldn’t. It wouldn’t surprise me if he is yet another conservative pretending to be a Libertarian.

No, he would allow abortion, drugs, gay marraige and stands against the war in Afghanistan.

The only thing he was really interested in funding is the police and military.
 

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Ahhh...now I get it.
I doubt that.

You're a libertarian....everyone for themselves and let the weak die.
Like I thought, you don't get it...:lol:

Why does my political persuasion matter? I don't care what yours is. It makes no difference to me or my opinion at all what so ever. I look at what you or anyone else has to say on each issue. Who you identify with, who you vote for, who you closely resemble is not important. It's how you view the issues that means something. Even then it's a matter of perception and perspectives.

Trying to pigeon hole someones ideology, just so you can make it easier to attack them, or dismiss them is juvenile and shows a lack of ability to communicate, reason and think.

There are confirmed Liberal supporters out here that I think are great people, Conservatives, I think are morons, visa versa and so on.

If your posts contained some critical thought, I would be more apt to give you the poster, some credit.

As for the post you quoted with your latest round of tripe. I'll stand by it, we have far to much Gov't and far far to much waste in it. Anyone can pin the woes of today on the current keepers of the house, but that's myopic thinking and it certainly isn't true. Each successive Gov't messes things up and shares that with the next. Some more then others.

But to blame just one is plain silly and juvenile.
 
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Considering the nature of the game, it surprises me that people take politics and politicians seriously. The caliber of people attracted to the position is low for a reason. Trough divers, lawyers, used car salesmen... One needs to step back and take a critical look at ones involvement with such riff raft and wonder about one's own sanity. The main purpose politics serves is to give people something to bitch about besides the weather.
 
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I hope they're learning from the "Chin"; two massive majorities in a row.
 

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Cliffy, I am going to put forth the other side of the issue. It can’t be easy being a politician. No matter what you do, you are going to make some people mad. You get elected, try to do your best to solve the issues, problems facing the nation, many times put your own career on hold (many of these lawyers would make much more in private practice than the salary of an MP or a cabinet minister). And what thanks do they get? Those who benefit from their decision; well at most they may give perfunctory thanks. But those you have made mad, they will come after you with a vengeance.

And woe be unto you if just at the time of election, the economy take a nosedive. Then any good deeds you may have done during your years as MP or cabinet minister are promptly forgotten, and you are given the proverbial boot across the border.

I wouldn’t want to be a politician, no matter how much they paid me. So I do feel for Harper and most MPs, I think it is a thankless task. While Harper will never get my vote, he has my sympathy, my understanding.
 

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But to blame just one is plain silly and juvenile.

You do it time and time again. Honestly, other than a few carefully planted posts I see know criticism of conservatives coming from you but always quick to pounce on the left.

If you didn't care what I thought you'd just ignore me...but you do, so you don't.

.....but will now.:lol:

Take care.:cool:
 

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You do it time and time again.
Not at all. I blame the various Gov'ts, past and present for specific actions, inactionsm, for the state of our nation. Your inability to focus, and grasp that is your failing.
Honestly, other than a few carefully planted posts I see know criticism of conservatives coming from you but always quick to pounce on the left.
Of course you don't, you obviously have a comprehension issue. I've made literally thousands of posts over the years that fly in the face of Canadian conservatism. You fail to grasp that, thus exposing your comprehension issues.

If you didn't care what I thought you'd just ignore me...but you do, so you don't.
I don't, I just like making you look like a fool time and time again. You and SJP have a lot in common. You can't debate the facts of the matter, thus you feel it's easier to pigeon hole me. Removing the need to actually address the facts, or the post, because you can't, , but instead focus on me.

.....but will now.:lol:
Why? You're more fun then shooting Coyotes. But at any rate, it's been you that has instigated these exchanges, I rarely address you. You aren't in the same league. Some day you may achieve that level of intellect, but I highly doubt it.

Take care.:cool:
Always do.