Theresa May Threatens British Internet Freedom To End

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Theresa May says that last night's London terror attacks mean that the internet cannot be allowed to provide a "safe space" for terrorists and therefore working cryptography must be banned in the UK.

This is a golden oldie, a classic piece of foolish political grandstanding. May's predecessor, David Cameron, repeatedly campaigned on this one, and every time he did, I wrote a long piece rebutting him. Rather than writing a new one for May, I thought I'd just dust off a pair of my Cameron-era pieces (1, 2), since every single word still applies.

Theresa May says there should be no "means of communication" which "we cannot read" -- and no doubt many in her party will agree with her, politically. But if they understood the technology, they would be shocked to their boots.

It’s impossible to overstate how bonkers the idea of sabotaging cryptography is to people who understand information security. If you want to secure your sensitive data either at rest – on your hard drive, in the cloud, on that phone you left on the train last week and never saw again – or on the wire, when you’re sending it to your doctor or your bank or to your work colleagues, you have to use good cryptography. Use deliberately compromised cryptography, that has a back door that only the “good guys” are supposed to have the keys to, and you have effectively no security. You might as well skywrite it as encrypt it with pre-broken, sabotaged encryption.

There are two reasons why this is so. First, there is the question of whether encryption can be made secure while still maintaining a “master key” for the authorities’ use. As lawyer/computer scientist Jonathan Mayer explained, adding the complexity of master keys to our technology will “introduce unquantifiable security risks”. It’s hard enough getting the security systems that protect our homes, finances, health and privacy to be airtight – making them airtight except when the authorities don’t want them to be is impossible.

What Theresa May thinks she's saying is, "We will command all the software creators we can reach to introduce back-doors into their tools for us." There are enormous problems with this: there's no back door that only lets good guys go through it. If your Whatsapp or Google Hangouts has a deliberately introduced flaw in it, then foreign spies, criminals, crooked police (like those who fed sensitive information to the tabloids who were implicated in the hacking scandal -- and like the high-level police who secretly worked for organised crime for years), and criminals will eventually discover this vulnerability. They -- and not just the security services -- will be able to use it to intercept all of our communications. That includes things like the pictures of your kids in your bath that you send to your parents to the trade secrets you send to your co-workers.

But this is just for starters. Theresa May doesn't understand technology very well, so she doesn't actually know what she's asking for.

For Theresa May's proposal to work, she will need to stop Britons from installing software that comes from ......

Theresa May wants to ban crypto: here's what that would cost, and here's why it won't work anyway / Boing Boing
 

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The timing of these attacks couldn't be better for shaking Brits but the following comment should be read by all who think that Big Brother on the Internet Freedom is the solution. I recall the days of the pre-internet when the PLO and IRA were on the forefront of terrorist attacks.....

The kinds of internet regulation that would have any effect on radicalisation would require censorship on a scale that would do more harm to free speech.. the added control would conveniently allow them to expand reach beyond issues relating to radicalisation to wider 'problems' such as criticisms and challenges against state power and policy. it'd be like solving the threat of attacks on commercial airlines by requiring everyone to be put under general anesthetic or into a state of paralysis. It may not be the current government that decides to take advantage of these new powers to further their own interests, but a future government whose nature or intentions we can not know.

The reality is that if a terrorist attack can be carried out by simply grabbing a car and driving people down, or getting a knife, a surveillance system 100 times more powerful as we have today still wouldn't prevent these attacks. What needs to happen is for the west to honestly assess why we are more frequently finding ourselves the target of attacks.

First thing we need to do is to stop the media from glamorizing and giving such huge coverage to these attacks... The manchester attack made headlines on almost every UK newspaper for almost a week straight.. the election campaign was called off for several days. Every attack is receiving the immediate attention of the leader of the country, with a live tv speech... Its become too easy for those radicalised individuals to spread chaos and terror. In the same way that the huge media coverage of school shootings in the US has contributed to the phenomenon of copycat attacks, it appears that it is similarly incentivising attacks by radicals, and rewarding them with instant fame and notoriety. I fear the government will continue to reject the notion that this serves the radicals, as this form of media coverage enables them to sell the need for increased protection and surveillance.. it drives fear into the population.

Second significant thing we could do is to deprive these radicals of the legitimate grievance which arises from our interventions in foreign countries. People can see right through the governments inability to debate the question of our relationship with Saudi Arabia.

A substantial number of members of radical groups are well educated and well read.. They are driven not only through the reading of the koran, but also through reading western academic literature (including authors/journalists/academics who are not given air time on mainstream media, because of their dangerous views, dangerous in that they imply we need to change). While our governments might continue to deny that our foreign invasions have produced terrorism and anti west dogmas, these radicalised individuals know that is the case, and we know it too. Jeremy Corbyn was attacked for suggesting that the manchester attack and similar attacks are motivated not solely by radical islamic ideology, but by the activities of our governments abroad. Theresa May crudely attempted to rebut this argument by suggesting that these sentiments are merely justifications for terrorism.. she is certain there is no correlation. Unfortunately most people are easily swayed by such rhetoric. It is completely out of bounds to question or debate that aspect.

Mysteriously the following weeks of media coverage on Corbyn push a theme of him being a terrorist sympathiser... Exploration or discussion of our Saudi friends involvement in Yemen, or their role in the Syrian conflict is also out of bounds... The individual who carried out the Manchester attack had apparently fought in Libya, a country where the UK had been covertly sponsoring militias.

Final point, if Theresa May has her way, this comment would be unacceptable, and would probably justify shutting down or censoring this forum..
 

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She didn't personally attend the last election debate, there on Friday. Can you imagine an incumbent PM not turning up for a national leadership debate, here in Canada? Her popularity is dropping. Her party is polling as "just barely" and, who knows, the Brexiting Tories may lose. I wonder if Brexit comes to a halt?
 

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I posted this in another thread.
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No system can stop 100% of the attacks. Proper implementation of procedures designed to gather and interpret intel can result in the prevention of threats.

May is saying what the British people want to hear. They want to hear that their government is going to protect them. Of course, they cannot stop all future incidents from occurring. At best, they can only reduce them.

She is an idiot if she thinks that putting regulations into place about the Internet will help. First and foremost, it is impossible to stop the Internet from being accessed and used from anywhere on the planet. In that regard, she is blathering.

Secondly, while the Internet is spreading the hate, it is also being used to monitor illegal activities. Even if parts of the Internet could be controlled, all that means is ordinary folks would get restricted access. The government would have unfettered access. That, in and of itself, should be disturbing to anyone who believes in democracy.

Bottom line: She's BSing for the cameras.
 

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the Brexiting Tories may lose



I wonder if Brexit comes to a halt?

You do realise that Corbyn is a Eurosceptic, don't you? He likely voted to leave the EU, whereas it was May who voted to remain.

The Labour Party has no plans to stop Brexit - that, of course, would be extremely undemocratic. Sir Keir Starmer, the Shadow Brexit Secretary, has said that if he becomes Brexit Secretary on Friday he will be seeking, amongst other things, to end free movement of people into Britain and would refuse a key Brussels demand for the European Court of Justice to be final guarantor for EU citizens' rights after Brexit.
 

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You do realise that Corbyn is a Eurosceptic, don't you? He likely voted to leave the EU, whereas it was May who voted to remain.

The Labour Party has no plans to stop Brexit - that, of course, would be extremely undemocratic. Sir Keir Starmer, the Shadow Brexit Secretary, has said that if he becomes Brexit Secretary on Friday he will be seeking, amongst other things, to end free movement of people into Britain and would refuse a key Brussels demand for the European Court of Justice to be final guarantor for EU citizens' rights after Brexit.

Wait 'til you find out that your referendum result was hacked by Russia. They benefit greatly from breaking up the greater Europe on their doorstep.
 

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It might just be.

That's all the rage at the moment: Whenever democracy doesn't go the Left's way, they now come out and say: "Russia hacked the election!" We saw it when Trump was elected. We saw it when Leave won the EU referendum. We likely would have seen it had Le Pen won.

Back in the day it used to be the Right who were suspicious of the Russians, blaming them for everything. Now it's the Left.
 

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yes, even when it's fixed
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ideology is a mental problem
say...who is funding these tards that want to take away our freedoms?
 

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The left just doesn't like to admit they have no grasp on reality which is why they loose.
Taxslave just doesn't like to admit that his grasp on English is so shaky that he still can't figure our the difference between "loose" and "lose."

Sorry, tax, but that one sets my teeth on edge.
 

Blackleaf

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She didn't personally attend the last election debate, there on Friday. Can you imagine an incumbent PM not turning up for a national leadership debate, here in Canada? Her popularity is dropping. Her party is polling as "just barely" and, who knows, the Brexiting Tories may lose. I wonder if Brexit comes to a halt?

Coffee House General Election 2017

Will the Tory majority be bigger than expected?

James Forsyth
7 June 2017
The Telegraph



The overall result of the general election isn’t really in doubt: the Tories will be returned to government tomorrow with an increased majority. But just how big that majority is will have a huge impact on what happens at Westminster over the next few years—and that is much less clear.

There are two reasons for this. First, the British polling industry remains in crisis; meaning that it is hard to have confidence in the numbers they are pumping out today. Second, in this election, there isn’t going to be a national swing, but a series of regional swings. For example, I hear that the Tories are sending extra resources into Battersea, a seat where they have an almost 8,000 majority. Yet, at the same time, the Tories are expanding their reach in the north east of England into seats where the Labour majority is more than 8,000.

London won’t be good for the Tories tomorrow night. But much of the rest of the country will be. Talking to people on the ground, there seems to be a distinct possibility that the Tory majority could break the three figure mark. Ringing round over the last 24 hours or so, Tories kept saying that they thought the momentum was with them going into the final stretch, that concern over Corbyn and security was tipping lots of reluctant voters their way.

Now, predicting the actual election result is an art not a science and my gut instinct is still for a Tory majority in the 50 to 80 range. But I would be less surprised by a Tory majority of more than 100 than by one of less than 40.

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/06/will-tory-majority-bigger-expected/
 

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Really? If America is the 'land of the free' then the UK is the 'land of the (hanging) tree'. When in history were the people of your land ever free. It would seem that only the elite have freedom and doing whatever including shitting on the masses as the first thing to do, that and make sure the 'elite' is never more than 15% of the population in a time of war, which the UK has been at constantly since she was hatched.
Too bad the terror in other lands is created (in part) by the UK as that contrasts sharply with how they feel when things go bang.
 
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Blackleaf

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Really? If America is the 'land of the free' then the UK is the 'land of the (hanging) tree'. When in history were the people of your land ever free. It would seem that only the elite have freedom and doing whatever including shitting on the masses as the first thing to do, that and make sure the 'elite' is never more than 15% of the population in a time of war, which the UK has been at constantly since she was hatched.
Too bad the terror in other lands is created (in part) by the UK as that contrasts sharply with how they feel when things go bang.

The English people were relatively free way back in the medieval times (Magna Carta etc) when much of the rest of Europe and the world were still living with absolute monarchies and despotism.