The Ultimate Condemnation of Believers Who Continue to Sin

Motar

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Good ole Luke

A Gentile (Luke) citing a Messianic Jew (Paul):

"On the next Sabbath almost the whole city gathered to hear the word of the Lord. When the Jews saw the crowds, they were filled with jealousy. They began to contradict what Paul was saying and heaped abuse on him. Then Paul and Barnabas answered them boldly: 'We had to speak the word of God to you first. Since you reject it and do not consider yourselves worthy of eternal life, we now turn to the Gentiles. For this is what the Lord has commanded us: 'I have made you a light for the Gentiles, that you may bring salvation to the ends of the earth.' When the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and honored the word of the Lord; and all who were appointed for eternal life believed." (Acts 13:44-48 NIV)
 
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A Gentile (Luke) citing a Messianic Jew (Paul):

"On the next Sabbath almost the whole city gathered to hear the word of the Lord. When the Jews saw the crowds, they were filled with jealousy. They began to contradict what Paul was saying and heaped abuse on him. Then Paul and Barnabas answered them boldly: 'We had to speak the word of God to you first. Since you reject it and do not consider yourselves worthy of eternal life, we now turn to the Gentiles. For this is what the Lord has commanded us: 'I have made you a light for the Gentiles, that you may bring salvation to the ends of the earth.' When the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and honored the word of the Lord; and all who were appointed for eternal life believed." (Acts 13:44-48 NIV)
Uh huh.
 

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So Luke and Paul are citing the prophet Isaiah who predicts that Gentiles will be included:

"And now the Lord says—he who formed me in the womb to be his servant to bring Jacob back to him and gather Israel to himself, for I am honored in the eyes of the Lord and my God has been my strength—he says: 'It is too small a thing for you to be my servant to restore the tribes of Jacob and bring back those of Israel I have kept. I will also make you a light for the Gentiles, that my salvation may reach to the ends of the earth.” (Isaiah 49:5-6 NIV)
 

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Included in what Motar? When Jesus addressed the religious leaders he said, " you cross land and sea to make one convert, and you make them twofold more a child of hell than you are yourselves". They are called the "lost " Sheep. So i ask again, included in what?
 

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Included in what Motar? When Jesus addressed the religious leaders he said, " you cross land and sea to make one convert, and you make them twofold more a child of hell than you are yourselves". They are called the "lost " Sheep. So i ask again, included in what?

"my salvation" (Isaiah 49:6 NIV)
 

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22. THE BIBLE. The Bible describes the events of the XII-XVII cc. and is completed at the end of the XVII century. The New Testament narrates the second half of the XII century, and the Old Testament – about the XII-XVII cc. The books of the New Testament give the account of the life and deeds of the emperor Andronicus-Christ (Andrey Bogolyubsky), Mary Theotokos (Mother of God), Christ's apostles who lived in the second half of the XII - beginning of the XIII cc. The Old Testament also relates to these characters, but also tells us about the Ottoman conquest of the XV-XVII cc, about the Moscow Kingdom – the metropoly of the XV-XVII cc. Empire, about the Ottoman Empire (Atamania) and finally about the Time of Troubles in the early XVII century.
The legendary Old Testament mount Sinai (Zion), aka Horeb – is the Vesuvius volcano in Italy. The biblical cities Sodom and Gomorrah destroyed by God ('24 Then the Lord rained on Sodom and on Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the Lord out of the heavens… 28 …the smoke of the country went up like the smoke of a furnace' (Genesis 19:24, 19:28) are the famous cities of Stabia and Herculaneum, buried by the eruption of the Vesuvius in the XVI – early XVII cc. The part of the Apocalypse of the Old Testament about the destruction of Jerusalem gives an account of the ruin of the city of Pompey during the eruption of Vesuvius in 1631 (and far from the II century as we have been assured). The ruins of 'ancient' Pompey excavated from the ground show us the way people of the XVI-XVII cc. lived. The 'classical' artists of Pompey were the contemporaries of the epoch of Rafael and Julio-Romano. It is not surprising that they had a common style [1v], ch.1.
The well-known God's Revelation together with the commandment tablets that the biblical Moses received also on Vesuvius in the XV century. '…there was thunder and lightning, with a thick cloud over the mountain (Sinai), and a very loud trumpet blast… Mount Sinai was covered with smoke, because the Lord descended on it in fire. The smoke billowed up from it like smoke from a furnace, and the whole mountain trembled violently. As the sound of the trumpet grew louder and louder, Moses spoke and the voice of God answered him' (Exodus 19:9, 19:11, 19:13, 19:16, 19:18-19). Besides this, the legend absorbed not only the story of Moses' commandment tablets, but also the story of Yaroslav meteorite falling near the Volga river in 1421 [1v], ch.1, [PRRK].
Biblical Phoenicia – Venice, the mighty Republic of Venice. According to the Bible the 'ancient' Phoenicia was a powerful maritime state reigning over the entire Mediterranean and establishing its colonies in Sicily, Spain and Africa. The 'ancient' Phoenicians traded heavily with the far away countries (Ezekiel, ch.27).
Various events from the Old Testament, for example, the journey of the Israelites lead by Moses and the conquest of the Promised Land by Joshua ben Nun, didn't take place in the modern Palestine, but in Europe, in particular in Italy, as well as in America.

It's the same God, it's only the go-betweens that are different.

A go between would be a spacer would it not?
 

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Believers who choose to be slaves of sin...

are not believers, James.

"My sheep hear (recognize) my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.
I give them eternal life and they shall never perish." (John 10:27-28 TLB)
These are the KEY words that even many believers don't understand as being important.

Meanwhile, multitudes on this forum are unbelievers headed into an eternity
beginning with hell, which later will be cast into the Lake of Fire (ref: the NT).
 

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These are the KEY words that even many believers don't understand as being important.

Meanwhile, multitudes on this forum are unbelievers headed into an eternity
beginning with hell, which later will be cast into the Lake of Fire (ref: the NT).
Does a free drink come with the guilt and fear?
 

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So in your world a pair of sinning parents can produce a child that will never sin? You get stung by a hornet\s nest or what?? BTW the Bible notes that any person under 20 is incapable of sin so get the story right before you promote what you claim is in the Bible. More and more you prove that you didn't read any of it yourself.

These are the KEY words that even many believers don't understand as being important.

Meanwhile, multitudes on this forum are unbelievers headed into an eternity
beginning with hell, which later will be cast into the Lake of Fire (ref: the NT).
You forgot to mention that all the people in hell (and death and the dead in the Seas) will be emptied before hell is sent to the fiery lake or is that part not important to your version of the story.

So, . . . how many you heal my laying on of hands this week?? I mean really, if you want to crash your own party that will certainly do it.

Did you know that judging the sinners here to the fiery lake means you end up in hell instead of being alive with the Church for the 1,000 year reign? Do you still want to promote that concept because the ones in hell are chastised according to Hebrews:12 and they are alive in the new earthy in Isaiah:65 and building their homes outside of New Jerusalem. That is where the ones that were alive for the 1,000 years. This part is quite important so please pay attention, the small group that is alive first is so they can be taught how to be Shepherds to the people who missed being alive for that period. Normally the flock is a much bigger number than the shepherds and it is no difference in this case. Do you see any sinners listed here?

Heb:12:22:
But ye are come unto mount Sion,
and unto the city of the living God,
the heavenly Jerusalem,
and to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb:12:23:
To the general assembly and church of the firstborn,
which are written in heaven,
and to God the Judge of all,
and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
 

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So in your world a pair of sinning parents can produce a child that will never sin? You get stung by a hornet\s nest or what?? BTW the Bible notes that any person under 20 is incapable of sin so get the story right before you promote what you claim is in the Bible. More and more you prove that you didn't read any of it yourself.
Does it say anywhere that I am quoting the bible? No. You need to come up for air once in a while. Having your head stuck in the bible all the time is giving you brain damage.
 

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Saved from what?

Gawd botherers most likely.

These are the KEY words that even many believers don't understand as being important.

Meanwhile, multitudes on this forum are unbelievers headed into an eternity
beginning with hell, which later will be cast into the Lake of Fire (ref: the NT).

Oh well at least we won't freeze in the dark. And there will be women, wine and song. Meanwhile you will be sitting on your little cloud freezing your balls off with a keg of whiskey that has a hole in it and a woman that don't.

Does a free drink come with the guilt and fear?

Free fondling for little boys.

So in your world a pair of sinning parents can produce a child that will never sin? You get stung by a hornet\s nest or what?? BTW the Bible notes that any person under 20 is incapable of sin so get the story right before you promote what you claim is in the Bible. More and more you prove that you didn't read any of it yourself.


You forgot to mention that all the people in hell (and death and the dead in the Seas) will be emptied before hell is sent to the fiery lake or is that part not important to your version of the story.

So, . . . how many you heal my laying on of hands this week?? I mean really, if you want to crash your own party that will certainly do it.

Did you know that judging the sinners here to the fiery lake means you end up in hell instead of being alive with the Church for the 1,000 year reign? Do you still want to promote that concept because the ones in hell are chastised according to Hebrews:12 and they are alive in the new earthy in Isaiah:65 and building their homes outside of New Jerusalem. That is where the ones that were alive for the 1,000 years. This part is quite important so please pay attention, the small group that is alive first is so they can be taught how to be Shepherds to the people who missed being alive for that period. Normally the flock is a much bigger number than the shepherds and it is no difference in this case. Do you see any sinners listed here?

Heb:12:22:
But ye are come unto mount Sion,
and unto the city of the living God,
the heavenly Jerusalem,
and to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb:12:23:
To the general assembly and church of the firstborn,
which are written in heaven,
and to God the Judge of all,
and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

Don't matter. All that mumbojumbo only applies to believers anyway. The people with education are exempt.