The tie that saved Rome. Do Western nations need a State Religion?

[French Patriot]

The tie that saved Rome. Do Western nations need a State Religion?

The Western nations of today, like Rome in the days of Constantine, are being fractured by the plethora of religious and racial factions the emigration is causing. The Western nations are again being inundated by various religious militias and no go zones set up by religious and racial factions.

All countries and large coalitions of countries need something to unite the populations and have it all move in the same direction when required. Religion is a good tool for uniting a country.

Constantine was looking for stability and peace for Rome and decided that a State Religion was the way to unify Rome and its allies. He chose the least barbaric and belligerent religion in his day, Christianity, to be the tie that would bind the empire and other countries together.

I see the Western religious forces of today doing the same as in Constantine’s day, fracturing the country and being an enemy to unity and peace.

A house divided cannot stand, --- and history is repeating itself.

To insure the survival of the Western ideology, in these times of religious strife and division, should the present Western political powers follow Constantine’s example and choose a State Religion?

I am not suggesting that we send out this new religion to convert by the sword the way Christianity did. I think that we are intelligent enough today to debate the morality of the various religions to determine which is the most moral and the best for nations and the individuals within them.

Constantine chose strength by numbers and not by ideology and I think we are mature enough today to choose by worthy morality and ideology.

Is creating a State Religion the way to peace?

Regards
DL

 

[Topkek]

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[Danbones]

We have worn out the OLD chi and the rho (XP)
The mistaken belief in these symbols as religious instead of as historical, has divorced a significant segment of the world's population from reality, creating a cognitive dissonance so extreme that it has paved the way for a smooth transition from childhoodboogieman type sillyness, to the current Brave New World meets Nineteen Eighty-Four.

We are headed for the Oligarchical, techno state as religion
May Sanity save us all
(yeah right, fat freakin chance of that )

Naw, lets just hate the next bunch of pee-ons at the costume party, and jam our kids into the expensive cannons, and bang off a few billion rounds at the walls they build to help use up the expensive ammunition, so they can sell us some more, young people sized body bags.

One might hope the demented hatefull religious nutbars would just cancel each other out, but sadly no, wrecking everything for everyone is the holy way of alkies and gODD(s)

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Don't be silly. The tie that saved Rome was a nice, conservative, American striped, red & white, medium-width number that went well with a toga. . .

 

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Only US of A needs a state religion. The rest of the civilized world is doing great without the totalitarian rule of a fairy man in the sky.

 

[taxslave]

State religion does not sound very democratic to me.

 

[Danbones]

Thats "demoncratic" I think
but, I can't spell...
Whichcraft isn't my strong suit

 

[French Patriot]

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Are his morals better than Christianity's and Islam's?


Is he homophobic and misogynous?


Regards
DL

We have worn out the OLD chi and the rho (XP)
The mistaken belief in these symbols as religious instead of as historical, has divorced a significant segment of the world's population from reality, creating a cognitive dissonance so extreme that it has paved the way for a smooth transition from childhoodboogieman type sillyness, to the current Brave New World meets Nineteen Eighty-Four.

We are headed for the Oligarchical, techno state as religion
May Sanity save us all
(yeah right, fat freakin chance of that )

Naw, lets just hate the next bunch of pee-ons at the costume party, and jam our kids into the expensive cannons, and bang off a few billion rounds at the walls they build to help use up the expensive ammunition, so they can sell us some more, young people sized body bags.

One might hope the demented hatefull religious nutbars would just cancel each other out, but sadly no, wrecking everything for everyone is the holy way of alkies and gODD(s)

I hear you, and meanwhile, those with half a brain within religions are threatened with expulsion, like this fine lady.

Regards
DL

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Only US of A needs a state religion. The rest of the civilized world is doing great without the totalitarian rule of a fairy man in the sky.

I do not know about the rest doing well.


Have you not seen the horribly rising stats of FGM in Britain and Europe.


Those poor women need protection from their immoral religion while the state sits on it hands.


So much for the duty and honor of those states.


Regards
DL

State religion does not sound very democratic to me.

Do democratic states not have a duty to rid their countries of demonstrably immoral religions that are perpetuating homophobia and misogyny?


Are they not charged with insuring that all their citizens are treated with equality in mind?


Regards
DL

 

[Curious Cdn]

Don't be silly. The tie that saved Rome was a nice, conservative, American striped, red & white, medium-width number that went well with a toga. . .

Rome ...ain't dat Upstate?

 

[Bar Sinister]

The general history of state sponsored religions is that state religions equal oppression. Why would anyone want to turn back the clock to a historical period that emphasized bigotry, narrow-mindedness, and suppression of dissent? One only has to look at nations that currently have state-sponsored religious (Iran and Saudi Arabia for example) to understand state sponsored religions are the antithesis of democracy.

 

[Danbones]

not to mention religion sponsored states

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

The general history of state sponsored religions is that state religions equal oppression. Why would anyone want to turn back the clock to a historical period that emphasized bigotry, narrow-mindedness, and suppression of dissent? One only has to look at nations that currently have state-sponsored religious (Iran and Saudi Arabia for example) to understand state sponsored religions are the antithesis of democracy.

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[French Patriot]

The general history of state sponsored religions is that state religions equal oppression. Why would anyone want to turn back the clock to a historical period that emphasized bigotry, narrow-mindedness, and suppression of dissent? One only has to look at nations that currently have state-sponsored religious (Iran and Saudi Arabia for example) to understand state sponsored religions are the antithesis of democracy.

Most countries have what you describe whether they have a state religion or not.


Britain has a state religion. Do you see what you describe there?


Do you think that most Western nations, who would be choosing their religion based on their morals and acceptable ideology, would allow it to oppress it's people?


That would be after the state itself oppresses the more immoral religions when they outlaw them that is. They would have no choice but to do so as no moral state should allow poor morals and ideologies taught to their citizens.


Regards
DL

 

[Curious Cdn]

We have a state religion but already, there has been a schism. It seems that one either worships with an Apple I-Phone or an Android based phone, even though the bowing, weaving and trance-like meditation used by followers of both denominations are both just about identical.

 

[darkbeaver]

The tie that saved Rome. Do Western nations need a State Religion?

The Western nations of today, like Rome in the days of Constantine, are being fractured by the plethora of religious and racial factions the emigration is causing. The Western nations are again being inundated by various religious militias and no go zones set up by religious and racial factions.

All countries and large coalitions of countries need something to unite the populations and have it all move in the same direction when required. Religion is a good tool for uniting a country.

Constantine was looking for stability and peace for Rome and decided that a State Religion was the way to unify Rome and its allies. He chose the least barbaric and belligerent religion in his day, Christianity, to be the tie that would bind the empire and other countries together.

I see the Western religious forces of today doing the same as in Constantine’s day, fracturing the country and being an enemy to unity and peace.

A house divided cannot stand, --- and history is repeating itself.

To insure the survival of the Western ideology, in these times of religious strife and division, should the present Western political powers follow Constantine’s example and choose a State Religion?

I am not suggesting that we send out this new religion to convert by the sword the way Christianity did. I think that we are intelligent enough today to debate the morality of the various religions to determine which is the most moral and the best for nations and the individuals within them.

Constantine chose strength by numbers and not by ideology and I think we are mature enough today to choose by worthy morality and ideology.

Is creating a State Religion the way to peace?

Regards
DL

A state religion is an impossibility by virtue of the meaning of the word religion, so yes it is a stupid idea, take them altogether if they adopt the meaning of the word. If not off them at the borders. You must believe in God, you must not define God, God will define itself to you, personally, one and one only glimps of Gods magnificense that you cannot share with others though you try and you try and you try

 

[Machjo]

The general history of state sponsored religions is that state religions equal oppression. Why would anyone want to turn back the clock to a historical period that emphasized bigotry, narrow-mindedness, and suppression of dissent? One only has to look at nations that currently have state-sponsored religious (Iran and Saudi Arabia for example) to understand state sponsored religions are the antithesis of democracy.

Ironically enough, the UK, which does have an official state religion (aka an established religion), offers the greatest freedom of religion of almost any state in the world. How do you explain that?

Meanwhile France (officially secular) and China (officially atheist) restrict freedom of religion far more than the UK does. How do you explain that?

Most countries have what you describe whether they have a state religion or not.


Britain has a state religion. Do you see what you describe there?


Do you think that most Western nations, who would be choosing their religion based on their morals and acceptable ideology, would allow it to oppress it's people?


That would be after the state itself oppresses the more immoral religions when they outlaw them that is. They would have no choice but to do so as no moral state should allow poor morals and ideologies taught to their citizens.


Regards
DL

You're confusing things here. An official state religion (though I concede it can present soe advantages to a society in contributing to its civic religion) should never impose itself on one's personal religion. I actually like the UK model precisely because it also allows maximum personal religious freedom of religion.

 

[darkbeaver]

The general history of state sponsored religions is that state religions equal oppression. Why would anyone want to turn back the clock to a historical period that emphasized bigotry, narrow-mindedness, and suppression of dissent? One only has to look at nations that currently have state-sponsored religious (Iran and Saudi Arabia for example) to understand state sponsored religions are the antithesis of democracy.

Hey, the west is a Christian superstate. Iran are Saudi Arabia are not christian nations. DUZ that bother you? Democracy, god does not like democracy.

What kind of fukkin God would tolerate democracy?

Can you imagine voteing to overturn one of Gods edicts? How's that going to budge the allmighty?

God loves famine, it builds character.

In Gods work no soul can be absent. You are so you must.

Atheists believe they can hide from God, good luck.

I know God, he's out to get me, just one stupid mistake away from Valhalla, a lawn mower accident, ice on the walk, or just plain brittle and the cat will trip you up into the wall

Gods work is never done

Gravity the torment of my existance. Weightlessness fluffy clouds food I can't

 

[Bar Sinister]

Ironically enough, the UK, which does have an official state religion (aka an established religion), offers the greatest freedom of religion of almost any state in the world. How do you explain that?

Meanwhile France (officially secular) and China (officially atheist) restrict freedom of religion far more than the UK does. How do you explain that?

You overlook the fact that before Britain evolved into its current democratic state hundreds of people were murdered by the government in the name of religion. The current so-called "state religion" of the UK is superseded by the right to freedom of religion and as a result British citizens are free to believe in anything they like as was shown in the most recent study of religion in England and Wales. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/may/23/no-religion-outnumber-christians-england-wales-study

As for China it is not a democracy as as a result restricts anything that might threaten the dictatorship that runs the country. Officially atheist BTW really means believe what the government tells you to believe. That sounds like a state religion to me.

France is a case all by itself. For the last few decades France has been desperately trying to preserve French culture by attempting to ban anything that seems to undermine it, such as the spread of English slang or foreign technical terms. As a result, the state religion in France is actually secularism - imposed by law if necessary.

I stand by what I said. Historically state religions have been highly oppressive. There are few if any exceptions.

Hey, the west is a Christian superstate. Iran are Saudi Arabia are not christian nations. DUZ that bother you? Democracy, god does not like democracy.

What kind of fukkin God would tolerate democracy?

Can you imagine voteing to overturn one of Gods edicts? How's that going to budge the allmighty?

God loves famine, it builds character.

In Gods work no soul can be absent. You are so you must.

Atheists believe they can hide from God, good luck.

I know God, he's out to get me, just one stupid mistake away from Valhalla, a lawn mower accident, ice on the walk, or just plain brittle and the cat will trip you up into the wall

Gods work is never done

Gravity the torment of my existance. Weightlessness fluffy clouds food I can't

I'd reply to this if I could understand it. Did you compose this post while drunk?

 

[Ludlow]

To-ga! To-ga! To-ga!!!

I watched a little of that movie recently and it seemed to be not funny at all. I wonder if back in the day we thought it was funny because it was cool to think so.